Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Yea but wasn't Cooler using IT also when they fought?
well including the anime and movies he has more feats in general (like Ithink in one movie he fights while using IT)
And sure he's shown to be more powerful and everything but I still can't think of many speed feats or any that would put him on par with Superman.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Here is a question jsut to make Goku look even more weaker.
How is Goku going to compete with Superman's speed when it take Goku around 15 minutes to reach Where Vegeta and Buu fought. Why does it take them so long to reach the kidnappers of Gohan?Maybe because they are SLOW.
I've already stated that they are slow when their not fighting, but they are a lot faster than Superman in close quarters combat because it takes them half as long to achieve great speeds, which might not last evry long, but still their great speeds.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruProve their fighting speeds are so great? Though they move faster than people can see at times doesn't make them light speed.
I've already stated that they are slow when their not fighting, but they are a lot faster than Superman in close quarters combat because it takes them half as long to achieve great speeds, which might not last evry long, but still their great speeds.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruSo let me get this straight...
I've already stated that they are slow when their not fighting, but they are a lot faster than Superman in close quarters combat because it takes them half as long to achieve great speeds, which might not last evry long, but still their great speeds.
Slow moving fast combat
Fast moving slow combat
You still don't get that Superman reacts at high velocities do you?
Go read the thread. You seem bent on this idea of "acceleration in a straight line" but ignore the feats where he's doing complex things in a limited amount of time. Why would reflexes to react to not slamming into a building at the speeds he travels not translates into things trying to slam into him at speed?
Look at this one for rying out loud:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg
He flew to another country, went into the building that has it, picked it up, flew back, changed clothes. All in the time it took her to say "See you soon"
If he had slamed into the building he could have broken the bottle. if he'd hit anything on the way back he could have broken the bottle. but he got back, got into the apartment, got into where he keeps his clothes, changed. all in a matter of moments.
Do we really need to calculate the speeds he'd have to have been traveling? Or how fast he's reacting to his environment?
And look at this one ITs a scan of his super hearing yes, but its also pretty impressive as far as durability goes as well:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/superhearing.jpg
He's in outer space and then just bolts and flys stright through two thousand feet of the ground without a scratch.
He's well up in the exosphere... that's at least 690km or about 2,263,779.53 feet And he gets down there in seconds. so he traveled 2,265,779.53 feet in a about a second. So about a 690,609.601 m/s impact with 2,000 feet of Earth. And he's unharmed.
Originally posted by Creshoskyeah but most people come on here with ONLY knowledge of the anime and movies, plus he has some ok feats in the anime and movies that would make this fight a little more of a debate
Some of the goku side thinks that batman and deathstroke are threats to superman... I'm pretty sure they think that anything is greater than what Superman can do without using the movies.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Some of the goku side thinks that batman and deathstroke are threats to superman... I'm pretty sure they think that anything is greater than what Superman can do without using the movies.
I really don't believe current Superman is a push over, he is a bit of a lunatic at times (Like when his eyes start spewing energy)
He's a beast, I don't think, with out kryptonite, Batman could beat him with KMC rules, no matter how much prep he has, becuase human tech is only so limited to playboys, Batman's a bit tougher, and badder, but he doesn't match the animal of current Superman.
But Goku's got the brains and the power to beat Superman, with USSJ and SSJ3, I mean, how's Superman going to beat him up when he's switching off between uber strong and uber fast.
Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I [B]really don't believe current Superman is a push over, he is a bit of a lunatic at times (Like when his eyes start spewing energy)He's a beast, I don't think, with out kryptonite, Batman could beat him with KMC rules, no matter how much prep he has, becuase human tech is only so limited to playboys, Batman's a bit tougher, and badder, but he doesn't match the animal of current Superman.
But Goku's got the brains and the power to beat Superman, with USSJ and SSJ3, I mean, how's Superman going to beat him up when he's switching off between uber strong and uber fast. [/B]
Second HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAH I cant believe you think Ultimate Super SaiyanJin 1 is stronger then Super Saiyanjin 3. Omg dude you simply dont stop to amuse me. Goku himself state in the Chamer(can't spell) that he need a form where he has the same strenght like USSJ, but to hold his speed and not let it get slower.
So if SSJ2>>SSJ1,USSJ1, then how can USSJ1 > SSJ3 who is infact stronger, and faster then SSJ2???????
By your theory it is
USSJ1>SSJ3>SSJ2>SSJ1 but in reality its
SSJ3>SSJ2>USSJ>SSJ1
Secind can you please post any scan or image where it Goku has so much strenght to defeat Superman. Do you think Goku can survive in Space? Can he survive a planet destroyer? IF so how?
Fyi here is something to show you how strong SSJ2 really is
Remeber him ripping the mountain apart? Well yeah thats his best strenght feat
Originally posted by Combat_GuruBy using his superios strength and speed that he doesn't have to trade off with.
I [B]really don't believe current Superman is a push over, he is a bit of a lunatic at times (Like when his eyes start spewing energy)He's a beast, I don't think, with out kryptonite, Batman could beat him with KMC rules, no matter how much prep he has, becuase human tech is only so limited to playboys, Batman's a bit tougher, and badder, but he doesn't match the animal of current Superman.
But Goku's got the brains and the power to beat Superman, with USSJ and SSJ3, I mean, how's Superman going to beat him up when he's switching off between uber strong and uber fast. [/B]
Oh you're slow? I'll just beat the hell out of you with my superior speed and strength.
Oh you're fast? Well not that I need to dodge you because you're so weak, but my speed is still superior.
Originally posted by xJLxKingThat was also filler from the anime, thuis not canon... the ONLY strength feat he's stated with is the 40tons.
Lol dude. First of all Superman can just kill Batman by destroyin a planet. BAtman can't survive.Second HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAH I cant believe you think Ultimate Super SaiyanJin 1 is stronger then Super Saiyanjin 3. Omg dude you simply dont stop to amuse me. Goku himself state in the Chamer(can't spell) that he need a form where he has the same strenght like USSJ, but to hold his speed and not let it get slower.
So if SSJ2>>SSJ1,USSJ1, then how can USSJ1 > SSJ3 who is infact stronger, and faster then SSJ2???????
By your theory it is
USSJ1>SSJ3>SSJ2>SSJ1 but in reality its
SSJ3>SSJ2>USSJ>SSJ1Secind can you please post any scan or image where it Goku has so much strenght to defeat Superman. Do you think Goku can survive in Space? Can he survive a planet destroyer? IF so how?
Fyi here is something to show you how strong SSJ2 really is
Remeber him ripping the mountain apart? Well yeah thats his best strenght feat
Cell had this to say about a USSJ, "Yes, it is a magnificent power, greater than mine by a wide margin, but power isn't everything."
Again, prove that Superman can accelerate to light speed as fast as SSJ2, or even SSJ1 Goku.
Goku in his first transformation to Super Saiyan moved four feet before a beam traveling at 80/175 the speed of light could travel 5 inches.
Imagine how fast even a full power Super Saiyan moves.
Second HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAH I cant believe you think Ultimate Super SaiyanJin 1 is stronger then Super Saiyanjin 3. Omg dude you simply dont stop to amuse me. Goku himself state in the Chamer(can't spell) that he need a form where he has the same strenght like USSJ, but to hold his speed and not let it get slower.
Just because he needed that form doesn't mean SSJ2 was the form, you have to remember that Gohan was stronger than Goku after their training in the room of spirit and time, as stated by Goku.
USSJ is by far the strongest Saiyan Power Up, it's a brick house, and Superman couldn't kill it with one punch, he could out power it, but he couldn't kill it, and Superman, if he was pissed off enough couldn't hit Goku SSJ3 at the end of the DBZ Manga, maybe when he first transformed, but not at the end.
I believe that Broly is what a USSJ would be like in combat.
Prove that Superman won't get disoriented fighting two completely deferent power houses that use two completely deferent types of strengths, one, strength, two, speed.
Goku doesn't have to pound Superman to death, just get him confused and angry enough to leave himself open for a Super Kamehameha from an SSJ3.
Ahahahahahha wow dude
Cell had this to say about a USSJ, "Yes, it is a magnificent power, greater than mine by a wide margin, but power isn't everything."
Again, prove that Superman can accelerate to light speed as fast as SSJ2, or even SSJ1 Goku
Goku in his first transformation to Super Saiyan moved four feet before a beam traveling at 80/175 the speed of light could travel 5 inches.Imagine how fast even a full power Super Saiyan moves.
Just because he needed that form doesn't mean SSJ2 was the form, you have to remember that Gohan was stronger than Goku after their training in the room of spirit and time, as stated by Goku.
USSJ is by far the strongest Saiyan Power Up, it's a brick house, and Superman couldn't kill it with one punch, he could out power it, but he couldn't kill it, and Superman, if he was pissed off enough couldn't hit Goku SSJ3 at the end of the DBZ Manga, maybe when he first transformed, but not at the end.I believe that Broly is what a USSJ would be like in combat.
Prove that Superman won't get disoriented fighting two completely deferent power houses that use two completely deferent types of strengths, one, strength, two, speed.
Its one thing to try and lie, but when you got caught so many times its useless. As for you its beyond useless. you dont care about how much to lie. In fact I watched DBZ, and DBGT so many times I know everything on top of my head. I cant believe you are even trying to act like you know anything dude. You should get banned for you ignorance
"Ahahahahahha wow dude
THAT RIGHT. CELL was never even close to Super Saiyan Jin 2 he was higher then SSJ1, but weaker then SSJ2, which is why Gohan destroyed him so easily."
Gohan still wasn't as strong as a USSJ, when did the USSJ get to lay a real punch on Cell? All I read was Cell dodging all of the real hits.
"Did he also say throw Gold out of his ass? Where was it stated that the death beam moved 5inches, and where was it stated that it was 80/175 of light speed?"
Galvaclaw said that the piece of rubble thrown by Goku was moving at 1/175 the speed of light, and since Goku traveled twice as far as it did in half the time, he traveled at 4/175 light speed, and since Freeza was shocked that a powered up Goku could dodge his death beam from 20 feet away, than it probably moved at 80/175, since it can travel 20 feet before Goku, who can move 4/175 can dodge it.
"Prove that Goku can stay longer then 30 minutes in SSJ3? Thats right you cant. Post proof that Goku can Survive a Planet destroy? Post Proof that Goku can travel anywhere near light speed? FROM MAGNA!!!"
I proved that Goku can travel much faster than light, and I never stated he could stay longer than 30 minutes as an SSJ3, he porbably could at the end of the Manga though.
"Its one thing to try and lie, but when you got caught so many times its useless. As for you its beyond useless. you dont care about how much to lie. In fact I watched DBZ, and DBGT so many times I know everything on top of my head. I cant believe you are even trying to act like you know anything dude. You should get banned for you ignorance "
Are you trying to insult me? You should learn to type first. 😬
MODS, he told me I should be banned for my "Ignorance"
Originally posted by Combat_GuruYou haven't proven that Either ssj2 nor ssj1 is lightspeed.
Cell had this to say about a USSJ, "Yes, it is a magnificent power, greater than mine by a wide margin, but power isn't everything."Again, prove that Superman can accelerate to light speed as fast as SSJ2, or even SSJ1 Goku.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruProve those numbers.
Goku in his first transformation to Super Saiyan moved four feet before a beam traveling at 80/175 the speed of light could travel 5 inches.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruNot light speed? Or wait I know.. how about no sonic booms?
Imagine how fast even a full power Super Saiyan moves.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruSo just because it was the form that beat cell doesn't mean that it was the form they needed to beat cell?
Just because he needed that form doesn't mean SSJ2 was the form, you have to remember that Gohan was stronger than Goku after their training in the room of spirit and time, as stated by Goku.
Gibberish.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruProve it.
USSJ is by far the strongest Saiyan Power Up, it's a brick house,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruProve that it could take a hit from someone who held a microblack hole in his hand. or how about someone who can throw moon sized vehicles...
and Superman couldn't kill it with one punch,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruWhy not? Care to prove it's immortal?
he could out power it, but he couldn't kill it,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruYou still haven't proven SSJ3's speed.
and Superman, if he was pissed off enough couldn't hit Goku SSJ3 at the end of the DBZ Manga,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruCare to prove that?
maybe when he first transformed, but not at the end.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruI believe that that was non-canon and is therefore irrelivant.
I believe that Broly is what a USSJ would be like in combat.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruUm, you'd have to prove that they COULD disorient him... you can't prove a negative so the burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.
Prove that Superman won't get disoriented fighting two completely deferent power houses that use two completely deferent types of strengths, one, strength, two, speed.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruAnd you haven't proven that Goku will be capable of that... buuut.... you're borderline trolling.
Goku doesn't have to pound Superman to death, just get him confused and angry enough to leave himself open for a Super Kamehameha from an SSJ3.
You remember what happened last time you started trolling? You got warned about being warned? I know you already have one on your record. Best not to push it lest ye be banned. Which wouldn't hurt my feelings any. You might not like it though.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruThat's right USSJ was too slow to hit Cell... And you think it'd stand a chance at someone whom can move at lightspeeds?
"Ahahahahahha wow dudeTHAT RIGHT. CELL was never even close to Super Saiyan Jin 2 he was higher then SSJ1, but weaker then SSJ2, which is why Gohan destroyed him so easily."
Gohan still wasn't as strong as a USSJ, when did the USSJ get to lay a real punch on Cell? All I read was Cell dodging all of the real hits.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruGalvaclaw is not the manga.
"Did he also say throw Gold out of his ass? Where was it stated that the death beam moved 5inches, and where was it stated that it was 80/175 of light speed?"Galvaclaw said that the piece of rubble thrown by Goku was moving at 1/175 the speed of light,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruYou sure do suck at math. When you do something at TWICE the speed of course your going to do it in half the time. even if Galvaclaw was right that'd mean it was 2/175 not FOUR TIMES faster in a quarter of the time.
and since Goku traveled twice as far as it did in half the time, he traveled at 4/175 light speed,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruWhere'd you get the number from?
and since Freeza was shocked that a powered up Goku could dodge his death beam from 20 feet away,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruMore gibberish numbers.
than it probably moved at 80/175, since it can travel 20 feet before Goku, who can move 4/175 can dodge it.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruNo you didn't. and just saying you did is the wishful thinking fallacy.
"Prove that Goku can stay longer then 30 minutes in SSJ3? Thats right you cant. Post proof that Goku can Survive a Planet destroy? Post Proof that Goku can travel anywhere near light speed? FROM MAGNA!!!"I proved that Goku can travel much faster than light,
Originally posted by Combat_GuruProve it.
and I never stated he could stay longer than 30 minutes as an SSJ3, he porbably could at the end of the Manga though.
Originally posted by Combat_GuruWhat's your point? You're debate on sunject's you're ignorant about. this was proven when you tried to prove you know enough about wolverine to debate him when you couldn't even get his basics right. Personally you should be banned for trolling.
"Its one thing to try and lie, but when you got caught so many times its useless. As for you its beyond useless. you dont care about how much to lie. In fact I watched DBZ, and DBGT so many times I know everything on top of my head. I cant believe you are even trying to act like you know anything dude. You should get banned for you ignorance "Are you trying to insult me? You should learn to type first. 😬
MODS, he told me I should be banned for my "Ignorance"
Originally posted by Creshosk
You haven't proven that Either ssj2 nor ssj1 is lightspeed.Prove those numbers.
Not light speed? Or wait I know.. how about no sonic booms?
So just because it was the form that beat cell doesn't mean that it was the form they needed to beat cell?
Gibberish.
Prove it.
Prove that it could take a hit from someone who held a microblack hole in his hand. or how about someone who can throw moon sized vehicles...
Why not? Care to prove it's immortal?
You still hav, THIRD GRADEen't proven SSJ3's speed.
Care to prove that?
I believe that that was non-canon and is therefore irrelivant.
*gasp* what do you know, I'm right.
Um, you'd have to prove that they COULD disorient him... you can't prove a negative so the burden of proof is on YOUR shoulders.And you haven't proven that Goku will be capable of that... buuut.... you're borderline trolling.
You remember what happened last time you started trolling? You got warned about being warned? I know you already have one on your record. Best not to push it lest ye be banned. Which wouldn't hurt my feelings any. You might not like it though.
Creshosk, the answers to all of those questions are in my recent posts, care to read?
Your so ______ that you ignore everything I post so you can argue that Superman wins.
It was proven that USSJ was a brick house when he stated that USSJ was on another league than Perfect Cell power wise, more so than SSJ2 Gohan.
And I got those numbers not just from Galvaclaw, but from math, as for the 5 inch thing, it looked accurate, if you'd read the Manga.
Since an SSJ can easily carry 40 tons, as if it was nothing, then a second grade Super Saiyan must be able to carry hundreds of tons, and a USSJ, , THIRD GRADE, thousands, and Perfect Cell couldn't bloody USSJ Trunks, so I doubt Superman could kill him with a single punch.
And when you asked me to prove that Goku could sustain SSJ3 longer at the end, you wanted me to prove something I said that I THOUGHT was true?
