I guess it's about time that I said something in this ongoing thread. I've been a bigtime DBZ fan for years, and in all those years, I never allowed me being a fan of DBZ to cloud my judgment regarding Z-fighters being pitted up against characters. DBZ fanboys are prly the worst fanboys I've seen on the forums. Supes will win and he's got primarily three ways of doing it: HV Lobotomy, Head punchoff, or freezing him with ice breath capable of putting out a sun IIRC.
Im going to say it like this. There are a limit of people that can throw people out of orbit in marvel. I would give that to thor, hulk and juggernaut. Colossus is a 100 tonner and had trouble throwing wolverine to a plane that was in the air. I know for a fact that a forty tonner cant kick someone threw two mountains, cant throw multiple of characters out of space just by flinching his arms. Cant kick a guy through two mountain and through the crust of the planet, pick up a guy that weighed tons and throw him. There are limited people in marvel that have done any of these feats. The only people in marvel that I have actually seen punch people out of orbit IS thor and hulk, others havent performed those feats and they are well above 100 tons. I put up a scan of superman getting owned by batman and you say its pis and you put up a scan of goku unable to lift certain weights but its not pis. A scan is put up where goku is throwing picollo who weighed tons and you say that we dont know if the his mass was increased and I tell you that when he was fighting vegeta and mountains was caving in, it was ki blast.
The point that is taken is that goku has never his entire career been threatened by the average or even a peak human. Batman has owned superman more then once. Deathstroke was to quick for superman, I cant think of the guy name that was fight superman with two electrical knifes but he held his own against superman. Black canary had superman disoriented. Peak level characters has had there own against superman since the beginning. There is no proof that superman is fighting doomsday at super speed because humans was looking at the fight the entire time. There is no proof that Superman was moving at incredible speed when he was fighting doomsday because doomsday was incredibly weak.
All of goku scans provide combat speed. Every fight that he has been in displays combat speed, you have none for a character that has been out for years. Show me superman ever fighting someone that can wink out and be behind you in a millisecond. You want to use the superman and flash race when the only speed that was quoted from that was 2000 mps. I gues that is light speed huh. I got something even better for you, show me superman even running circles around someone with gambit speed. That shouldnt be hard, you say that he can run circles around goku and he has been out for centuries.
Along with that can you show me a scan of a 40 tonner throwing someone out of orbit like captain ginyu did and goku matched his strength by the way. Like I said before, a better fight would be nappa vs superman and I give the majority to nappa. To much combat speed and overrall power for superman. Naah I can do better than that, show me a 80 tonner throwing someone out of orbit or even punching someone. Nope I can do that, show me a person THAT CAN ONLY LIFT 100 tons throw someone out of orbit.
Black hair goku 10/10 and easily.
Originally posted by carver9What's your point?
Im going to say it like this. There are a limit of people that can throw people out of orbit in marvel. I would give that to thor, hulk and juggernaut. Colossus is a 100 tonner and had trouble throwing wolverine to a plane that was in the air. I know for a fact that a forty tonner cant kick someone threw two mountains, cant throw multiple of characters out of space just by flinching his arms. Cant kick a guy through two mountain and through the crust of the planet, pick up a guy that weighed tons and throw him. There are limited people in marvel that have done any of these feats. The only people in marvel that I have actually seen punch people out of orbit IS thor and hulk, others havent performed those feats and they are well above 100 tons. I put up a scan of superman getting owned by batman and you say its pis and you put up a scan of goku unable to lift certain weights but its not pis. A scan is put up where goku is throwing picollo who weighed tons and you say that we dont know if the his mass was increased and I tell you that when he was fighting vegeta and mountains was caving in, it was ki blast.
Originally posted by carver9Quit breaking the forum rules. Or did you not see the rule that says no mentioning events of PIS?
The point that is taken is that goku has never his entire career been threatened by the average or even a peak human. Batman has owned superman more then once.
Originally posted by carver9This is how Goku wins? by using illogical showings of PIS for the opponent?
Deathstroke was to quick for superman, I cant think of the guy name that was fight superman with two electrical knifes but he held his own against superman. Black canary had superman disoriented. Peak level characters has had there own against superman since the beginning. There is no proof that superman is fighting doomsday at super speed because humans was looking at the fight the entire time. There is no proof that Superman was moving at incredible speed when he was fighting doomsday because doomsday was incredibly weak.
Originally posted by carver9No they don't
All of goku scans provide combat speed.
Originally posted by carver9Go read the respect thread and quit trolling.
Every fight that he has been in displays combat speed, you have none for a character that has been out for years.
Originally posted by carver9And more trolling.
Show me superman ever fighting someone that can wink out and be behind you in a millisecond. You want to use the superman and flash race when the only speed that was quoted from that was 2000 mps. I gues that is light speed huh. I got something even better for you, show me superman even running circles around someone with gambit speed. That shouldnt be hard, you say that he can run circles around goku and he has been out for centuries.
Originally posted by carver9Don't like it? Tough. Goku couldn't lift 40 tons. that was a more recent update than any of the crap you're trying to use.
Along with that can you show me a scan of a 40 tonner throwing someone out of orbit like captain ginyu did and goku matched his strength by the way. Like I said before, a better fight would be nappa vs superman and I give the majority to nappa. To much combat speed and overrall power for superman. Naah I can do better than that, show me a 80 tonner throwing someone out of orbit or even punching someone. Nope I can do that, show me a person THAT CAN ONLY LIFT 100 tons throw someone out of orbit.
Originally posted by carver9Yeah he's going to beat someone faster stronger and more durable than he is. 🙄
Black hair goku 10/10 and easily.
You're reported for trolling.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What's your point?Quit breaking the forum rules. Or did you not see the rule that says no mentioning events of PIS?
This is how Goku wins? by using illogical showings of PIS for the opponent?
No they don't
Go read the respect thread and quit trolling.
And more trolling.
Don't like it? Tough. Goku couldn't lift 40 tons. that was a more recent update than any of the crap you're trying to use.
Yeah he's going to beat someone faster stronger and more durable than he is. 🙄
You're reported for trolling.
Creshok, stop reporting people and just debate. Are you a female?
Superman gets owned by batman more then 3 times its pis. Goku lifting weights isnt pis but anything used against superman is pis. WOW.
What if I put up a post where starman increase the gravity around superman to 100 times earth gravity and superman struggls to even move but finally flies off, would that be pis also.
Again, there are numerous of 100 tonners that dont have the ability to throw people out of space. You have to be at least hulk, sentry, or thor strength to do so. Vegeta in his early days performed the same feat, now think about it. I guess that is pis also. Colossus, a 100 tonner, struggling to throw wolverine to a plane, captain ginyu flinches his arm and throw 5 people out of space. Thor punching someone as hard as he can and knocks him out of earth orbit, captain ginyu again flinching his arms knocking people out of space.
Hell I can go as far as saying, superman surprised and actually stated that the shock wave from titus knocking the mountain down almost knocked him off his feat and goku kicks vegeta so hard that it knocks down two mountains. Both feats are over 100 ton + feats.
Again, show me a feat of a forty tonner kicking someone so hard that it knocks a mountain down. I can give you one better. Show me a fourty tonner kicking or punching someone so hard that it knocks something as big as a sky scrapper down. And please dont put up that cry baby crap of reporting etc.... Your using a scan of goku and Im using plenty of things that have happened to superman. Do you see me reporting you.
Originally posted by carver9What' you're doing is not called debate. What' you're doing is called trolling. We get it you hate superman. Grow up already.
Creshok, stop reporting people and just debate.
Originally posted by carver9That's rather sexist of you.
Are you a female?
Originally posted by carver9Deal with it. The only time weight is mentioned is when he's lifting the weights. Don't like it? Take it up with Akira.
Superman gets owned by batman more then 3 times its pis. Goku lifting weights isnt pis but anything used against superman is pis. WOW.
Originally posted by carver9Indeed it would be.
What if I put up a post where starman increase the gravity around superman to 100 times earth gravity and superman struggls to even move but finally flies off, would that be pis also.
Originally posted by carver9And Goku is still only lifting 40 tons.
Again, there are numerous of 100 tonners that dont have the ability to throw people out of space. You have to be at least hulk, sentry, or thor strength to do so. Vegeta in his early days performed the same feat, now think about it. I guess that is pis also. Colossus, a 100 tonner, struggling to throw wolverine to a plane, captain ginyu flinches his arm and throw 5 people out of space. Thor punching someone as hard as he can and knocks him out of earth orbit, captain ginyu again flinching his arms knocking people out of space.
Originally posted by carver9In your dreams fanboy.
Hell I can go as far as saying, superman surprised and actually stated that the shock wave from titus knocking the mountain down almost knocked him off his feat and goku kicks vegeta so hard that it knocks down two mountains. Both feats are over 100 ton + feats.
Originally posted by carver9Then quit your ***** **** crying about the evidence that you want to ignore.
Again, show me a feat of a forty tonner kicking someone so hard that it knocks a mountain down. I can give you one better. Show me a fourty tonner kicking or punching someone so hard that it knocks something as big as a sky scrapper down. And please dont put up that cry baby crap of reporting etc....
Originally posted by carver9Nope, you;d be in the wrong too. I get it you hate supreman and have a hard-on for goku. Now go away, noone wants a little troll like you around here.
Your using a scan of goku and Im using plenty of things that have happened to superman. Do you see me reporting you.
The fact is, Superman has a long history, and of course that includes some bad feats. But the fact is, Supes hasnt had a really terrible showing for a long time. And pretty much every month when a new Supes comic comes out, it becomes more and more blatantly obvious that Supes is superior. Not just as a character but as an icon.
Years from now, people will barely remember what DBZ while Supes will still be going strong. No disrespect but the reason DBZ was so successful was because it was one of the first non-robot Anime's. It was the first of it's genre and is now inspired a whole new breed of newer better series.
Originally posted by Creshosk
What' you're doing is not called debate. What' you're doing is called trolling. We get it you hate superman. Grow up already.That's rather sexist of you.
Deal with it. The only time weight is mentioned is when he's lifting the weights. Don't like it? Take it up with Akira.
Indeed it would be.
And Goku is still only lifting 40 tons.
In your dreams fanboy.
Then quit your ***** **** crying about the evidence that you want to ignore.
Nope, you;d be in the wrong too. I get it you hate supreman and have a hard-on for goku. Now go away, noone wants a little troll like you around here.
There you go crying again about this and that and again, ignoring things that have happened in dragonball and using 1 scan that could be read wrong as evidence.
I dont care if you are a female or not but all of that whinning that you are doing is making me think one thing. I have never seen a debator like you. You cry more then anything and hate when things is used against your favorite character.
So it would be pis of superman struggling against 100 times gravity. WOW. Youre a one sided debator and have a brain of stones. Its pointless to debate with someone that just dont change there mind and provide facts. rorasch, where in the hell are you, youre the only debator in here that can actually debate.
In your dreams hes still a 40 tonners. His 100 ton feats out weighs his 40 ton feats by a mile. Isnt that the same argument that you are using for superman or would you again like for me to bring up batman and deathstroke.
What evidence is there to ignore. OHHHH, your evidence of him fighting wonderwoman but it took him seconds to get to max lords chamber. OHHH, your evidence of him fighting doomsday that was weakened.
Actually there is no hate for superman. I know more about superman then almost any character that I read on. I buy superman comics Every good series that he comes out with I make sure I get it. Would you like for me to post word for word everything that superman said in the imperex saga during the beginning of it. Lets put it like this, tell me what you missed on the imperex saga, I got the entire series here for you. Did you miss anything in superman for tomorrow, I have it all here for you. I love superman and couldnt get through watching superman return when lex was thrashing him but Im not going to say things that he cant do. By the way I think that you need to go buy the titus series because if you didnt know about that quote that I posted, buying it would help because those was the exact words that came out of his mouth.
Originally posted by superchron
The fact is, Superman has a long history, and of course that includes some bad feats. But the fact is, Supes hasnt had a really terrible showing for a long time. And pretty much every month when a new Supes comic comes out, it becomes more and more blatantly obvious that Supes is superior. Not just as a character but as an icon.Years from now, people will barely remember what DBZ while Supes will still be going strong. No disrespect but the reason DBZ was so successful was because it was one of the first non-robot Anime's. It was the first of it's genre and is now inspired a whole new breed of newer better series.
What does this have to do with black hair goku thrashing superman 10/10. I never disagreed that superman isnt a strong character. If the world was made to super powered beings, superman would be my 1st choice if I had a choice of choosing what powers to get.
I want you to understand that you all are using 1 scan against goku but there are plenty of scans that I can use against superman. I want you to understand that when a scan is used against superman it is pis but when a scan is used against goku it isnt pis. Do you get it now. What makes your scan much better then mines. Goku performed 100 plus ton feats and he had a low showing which superman has. If you can use goku low showings dont I have the right to do the same thing.
Originally posted by carver9You always do that. When someone presnts valid evidence you don't like you say "oh well it ccould be read wrong. This is why you're a liousty debater than No one takes seriously.
There you go crying again about this and that and again, ignoring things that have happened in dragonball and using 1 scan that could be read wrong as evidence.
Originally posted by carver9One that's not going to put up with your bullshit?
I dont care if you are a female or not but all of that whinning that you are doing is making me think one thing. I have never seen a debator like you.
Originally posted by carver9You're the one that's crying dude. And you need to grow the fuck up and quit trolling. Go poke your head into the off topic thread to see what the popular opinion of you is.
You cry more then anything and hate when things is used against your favorite character.
Originally posted by carver9Reported for bashing. 🙂
So it would be pis of superman struggling against 100 times gravity. WOW. Youre a one sided debator and have a brain of stones.
Originally posted by carver9That's why I don't debate with you. Even when you are proven wrong even when evidence is provided what do you do? You break the forum rules and use PIS. or you say "You could be reading it wrong, you ever think of that?"
Its pointless to debate with someone that just dont change there mind and provide facts.
Originally posted by carver9ITs true its stated on panel.
rorasch, where in the hell are you, youre the only debator in here that can actually debate. [/quoite] No he's the only debator that puts up with your bullshit.[QUOTE=10422436]Originally posted by carver9
In your dreams hes still a 40 tonners.
Originally posted by carver9Which you still haven't proven he is. Come on bud, where's it stated that the things he's doing are 100 tons? I mean you demand ALL the time for people to provide evidence where it states directly that Superman is lightspeed. Yet you without a doubt just accept your own bullshit without it being stated. You are a lousy debator. You ignore evidence. Demand unreasonable evidence from the other side. You don't bother with evidence for your side. You used biased evidence that breaks forum rules.
His 100 ton feats out weighs his 40 ton feats by a mile.
Originally posted by carver9And I'll report you again. If you insist on trolling you will be reported for it.
Isnt that the same argument that you are using for superman or would you again like for me to bring up batman and deathstroke.
Originally posted by carver9Again, and I'll repeat myself for the fourth time. Form the sun. Getting to EArth from the sun it takes Light 8 minutes. For superman to take a minute he'd HAVE to be 8 times faster, as it takes light 8 minutes longer. But agian go ahead and ignore the simple physics and preset measurments for that. After all it doesn't support you.
What evidence is there to ignore. OHHHH, your evidence of him fighting wonderwoman but it took him seconds to get to max lords chamber.
Originally posted by carver9Prove it was weakend, or are you talking about the clones?
OHHH, your evidence of him fighting doomsday that was weakened.
Originally posted by carver9BULLSHIT... whydo all you little fanboys lie about that?
Actually there is no hate for superman.
Originally posted by carver9No you don't. otherwise you wouldn't constantly wrong about just about everything.
I know more about superman then almost any character that I read on.
Originally posted by carver9You are such a liar.
I buy superman comics Every good series that he comes out with I make sure I get it.
Originally posted by carver9No as I'm sure you've found some scans online. Quit trolling and just leave KMC.
Would you like for me to post word for word everything that superman said in the imperex saga during the beginning of it.
Originally posted by carver9Is this supposed to prove that you have knowledge of what went on? I'm not as stupid as you think I am. and you need to grow up and quit trolling.
Lets put it like this, tell me what you missed on the imperex saga, I got the entire series here for you. Did you miss anything in superman for tomorrow, I have it all here for you. I love superman and couldnt get through watching superman return when lex was thrashing him but Im not going to say things that he cant do. By the way I think that you need to go buy the titus series because if you didnt know about that quote that I posted, buying it would help because those was the exact words that came out of his mouth.
Originally posted by carver9IT doesn't have anything to do with something that could never happen troll, deal with it.
What does this have to do with black hair goku thrashing superman 10/10.
Originally posted by carver9Bullshit. You're arguing that peak human characters can beat him.
I never disagreed that superman isnt a strong character.
Originally posted by carver9Yeah right, another blatent lie to gain back the credibility you lost.
If the world was made to super powered beings, superman would be my 1st choice if I had a choice of choosing what powers to get.
Originally posted by carver9and you'd be breaking forum rules again and thus trolling.
I want you to understand that you all are using 1 scan against goku but there are plenty of scans that I can use against superman.
Originally posted by carver9When a feat is used that allows the wearker character to be a challenge its pis... whos the weaker character with the thing with the weights? Is oit south Kai? 🙄
I want you to understand that when a scan is used against superman it is pis but when a scan is used against goku it isnt pis.
Originally posted by carver9Its more recent so is likely a retcon.
Do you get it now. What makes your scan much better then mines.
Originally posted by carver9You haven't proven that he has done ONE.
Goku performed 100 plus ton feats
Originally posted by carver9No you don't. Because that breaks the forum rules. Deal with it troll. And then Go away.
and he had a low showing which superman has. If you can use goku low showings dont I have the right to do the same thing.
What's funny is I'm not actually worked up. I just portray that level to make sure I get the person who's trolling's attention. Carver here completely ignored the people here who provided the evidence he requested. One of them was a mod of another section who feels like they wasted their time.
I'll admit I don't think its right to demand evidence andthen ignore it like happens frequently. But honestly you have to learn to expect that sort of thing when people get desperate, you know?
That would still only be two times Batman has done anything to Superman. Where's the third? Then there is the times Batman has punched Superman when he was let and Superman made sure he didn't break his hand. None of those times though has Batman ever even come close to beating Superman.
And I want to know where Gokou's 100 ton feats are. And since when would it take over 100 tons to throw somebody a few hundred pounds into the air?
I believe everyone who thinks Goku was lifting 40 tons is mistaken. Do your research wisely and you'll realize the feat was far greater. It was no meere 40 tons, but 100 tons on each arm. Kai planets all have increased gravity x10. Besides, ppl who say Goku would get speedblitz, lol.
Im not sure if you guys are allowing ssj4 transformation, and if you ARE, then GG no RM. Watch the fight between Goku and one of the Dragons. Its the statue fight scene, it shows how fast Goku fights at, not to mention if he wanted to kick it into instantaneous movemnt.
Even Piccolo's Speical beam cannon can move at the speed of light, and Radtiz can move that fast.
If you look at all the facts, read the Manga and all that jazz, youd realize Goku has no equal, especially after he takes in the BS dragonballz.
Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
I believe everyone who thinks Goku was lifting 40 tons is mistaken. Do your research wisely and you'll realize the feat was far greater. It was no meere 40 tons, but 100 tons on each arm. Kai planets all have increased gravity x10. Besides, ppl who say Goku would get speedblitz, lol.
Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
Im not sure if you guys are allowing ssj4 transformation, and if you ARE, then GG no RM. Watch the fight between Goku and one of the Dragons. Its the statue fight scene, it shows how fast Goku fights at, not to mention if he wanted to kick it into instantaneous movemnt.
Originally posted by Kakarotssj3proof?
Even Piccolo's Speical beam cannon can move at the speed of light, and Radtiz can move that fast.
Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
If you look at all the facts, read the Manga and all that jazz, youd realize Goku has no equal, especially after he takes in the BS dragonballz.