Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
question, if we gave goku:
best feats from the anime and movies
3 sensu beans
and his power poll (more durable than he is I would say)

would the fight be any closer? ( I know the anime and movies arent canon but just to make this more fun)

also another question,

I knew cell's solar system destroying blast has been ignored mainly because if it had the power to destroy a solar system then it shouldve cause the earth to blow from the resonating energy

but there have been examples of such events occurring in both marvel and dc comics,

gog fired a blast with the power of 12 red suns at superman:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/KCS/Kingdom0108.jpg
and no damage was cause to the surrounding area

the sentry who has a power of one million exploding suns let it loose:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh016.jpg

afterwords the city was still intact

ATTENTION TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS SUPERMAN CAN WIN I'm still waiting for evidence that Superman can move as fast as SSJ3 Goku without having to accelerate in a straight line for 3 or 5 seconds.

question, if we gave goku:
best feats from the anime and movies
3 sensu beans
and his power poll (more durable than he is I would say)

would the fight be any closer? ( I know the anime and movies arent canon but just to make this more fun)

It would be closer, those are variables, but Goku only needs strategic thought against an uber ticked Superman, and his ascendants of Super Saiyan (USSJ, SSJ3)

ATTENTION TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS SUPERMAN CAN WIN I'm still waiting for evidence that Superman can move as fast as SSJ3 Goku without having to accelerate in a straight line for 3 or 5 seconds.

thats just one example check out the repect thread there are a lot of stuff like this

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=superspeedai5.jpg

thats just one example check out the repect thread there are a lot of stuff like this

That puts him around SSJ3 Goku, but he's still not quite there.

I'm under the impression that SSJ3 isn't much faster than SSJ2, maybe less than two times faster, but even so, SSJ2's speed was unthinkable, Perfect Cell was probably faster than Superman moved in that scan.

Just look out how a easily zipped around the Z Fighters, and he could have dodged MSSJ Goku's punches if he needed to, and these Z Fighters were a matter of hundreds of times faster than Goku was when he threw the rubble at great speeds and caught it in it's first few seconds of flight.

ATTENTION TO EVERYONE WHO THINKS SUPERMAN CAN WIN I'm still waiting for evidence that Superman can move as fast as SSJ3 Goku without having to accelerate in a straight line for 3 or 5 seconds.

Reaching the JLA watchtower, changing is clothes and navigating through all it's corridors in an instant

Lois is shot in the middle east. Superman catches her before she falls to the ground.

Someone fires a bullet at Lois. A red sun drained Superman races across the city and catches the bullet before it hits her.

He's grabbed Batman and put him another country near instantly

He's grabbed a skyscraper sized bomb that was just about to explode and brought it into high orbit in a fraction of a second.

All in a fraction of a second.

What evidence is there that SSJ3 Goku is so fast? Yes, he's more power than someone who had a certain feat. But the more powerful Gotenks is still flying at sub light speeds. Before you say his combat speed is faster, then why doesn't Gotenks run everywhere instead if he can move his limbs so fast?

For Destinyguy678:

Movie Goku would win. You can't beat him. He's like popeye the sailor man. If your stronger than him you loose, if your weaker than him you'll loose, if you're the same strength he'll win. Goku will just rip his shirt and bring out a plot device.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Reaching the JLA watchtower, changing is clothes and navigating through all it's corridors in an instant

Lois is shot in the middle east. Superman catches her before she falls to the ground.

Someone fires a bullet at Lois. A red sun drained Superman races across the city and catches the bullet before it hits her.

He's grabbed Batman and put him another country near instantly

He's grabbed a skyscraper sized bomb that was just about to explode and brought it into high orbit in a fraction of a second.

All in a fraction of a second.

What evidence is there that SSJ3 Goku is so fast?

Manga Vo. PG 53-54, this shows how fast Cell can react, and how fast he can move his hands, it's when he's building the Cell Games Arena.

Manga Vo. PG 32-33 you see how fast Cell really moves.

Those are just two examples that would put SSJ3 Goku at greater speeds than the Superman in your examples.

heres another
lois asked for a drink from another country, and he got it for her before she finished her saying "see you soon" 😬
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

So I guess Superman wins. Faster, stronger, has far more stamina and more durable.

Please provide evidence of ssj3 Goku being faster?

Originally posted by MadMel
heres another
lois asked for a drink from another country, and he got it for her before she finished her saying "see you soon" 😬
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

He didn't have to move at light speed to do that, very very very close to it, but not quite, it's not as impressive as rebuilding Metropolis, thats the most impressive Superman feat I've seen yet.

Originally posted by dvampire
[B]So I guess Superman wins. Faster,

No.

stronger,

No, most of his strength feats aren't much compared to a USSJ, he uses flight time and time again.

has far more stamina

Hell no.

and more durable.

Yep.

Please provide evidence of ssj3 Goku being faster?

Your telling me to do something, so there is no question mark.

I'll just use SSJ2, Manga Vo. 19, PG 19-20, Cell is punching at full speed, which is light speed according to the other feats I've mentioned, and SSJ2 Gohan gets a good hit on him long before his fist makes it half way to Gohan.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
He didn't have to move at light speed to do that, very very very close to it, but not quite, it's not as impressive as rebuilding Metropolis, thats the most impressive Superman feat I've seen yet.

No.

No, most of his strength feats aren't much compared to a USSJ, he uses flight time and time again.

Hell no.

Yep.

Your telling me to do something, so there is no question mark.

I'll just use SSJ2, Manga Vo. 19, PG 19-20, Cell is punching at full speed, which is light speed according to the other feats I've mentioned, and SSJ2 Gohan gets a good hit on him long before his fist makes it half way to Gohan.

Please tell me what even makes you think USSJ is so strong?

Also how is him using TK to make a ring show any speed?

If Cell is moving so fast against Gohan then why is the reporter you know...seeing him punch and be punched?

Originally posted by Kento
Building a city isn't him most impressive thing.

Please tell me what even makes you think USSJ is so strong?

Also how is him using TK to make a ring show any speed?

If Cell is moving so fast against Gohan then why is the reporter you know...seeing him punch and be punched?

What reporter, are you talking about the Anime?

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
What reporter, are you talking about the Anime?

For Destinyguy678:

Movie Goku would win. You can't beat him. He's like popeye the sailor man. If your stronger than him you loose, if your weaker than him you'll loose, if you're the same strength he'll win. Goku will just rip his shirt and bring out a plot device.

superman has done that on a number of occasiosn too...despite that if we use only whats been provided in the movies/animes and give goku 3 sensu beans I think it would be a closer fight

the canon vs canon fight been pretty much proven to be a stomp

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
superman has done that on a number of occasiosn too...despite that if we use only whats been provided in the movies/animes and give goku 3 sensu beans I think it would be a closer fight

the canon vs canon fight been pretty much proven to be a stomp

Originally posted by Kento
Would Sensu beans really be useful if he's to weak to actually survive? He may have some more strength feats but I don't really remember him having the speed still.

No, most of his strength feats aren't much compared to a USSJ, he uses flight time and time again.

Don't make me explain how weight lifting works again. I allready proved it's still a strength feet when he uses flight during the Superman returns lifting an island argument.

He's stalemated a guy who uses moon as melee weapons and punched people across the solar system.

Again what strength feats does a USSJ have? Cell used the same technique and punched the ground with all his strength and left a small crater. If superman punches the ground with full force there's no planet left.

has far more stamina

Come Combat Guru how can you disagree with this one? Goku always runs out of power during his fights and needs to take a break. I can't remember the last time Superman ran out of power.

I think if we had Superman circa 1998 against anime Goku, we'd have an even match. Any furtehr we get loeb writing him and Goku gets left behind.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
it justs gives goku supporters more material to work with, canon vs canon has already been descided, and giving him sensu beans would also help seeing as some of his stronger forms take a large toll on his body

And besides does he really have any speed feats that can be quantified to help the whole speed issue?

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
I believe everyone who thinks Goku was lifting 40 tons is mistaken. Do your research wisely and you'll realize the feat was far greater. It was no meere 40 tons, but 100 tons on each arm.

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
Kai planets all have increased gravity x10.

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
Besides, ppl who say Goku would get speedblitz, lol.

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
Im not sure if you guys are allowing ssj4 transformation,

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
and if you ARE, then GG no RM. Watch the fight between Goku and one of the Dragons. Its the statue fight scene, it shows how fast Goku fights at, not to mention if he wanted to kick it into instantaneous movemnt.

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
Even Piccolo's Speical beam cannon can move at the speed of light, and Radtiz can move that fast.

Originally posted by Kakarotssj3
If you look at all the facts, read the Manga and all that jazz, youd realize Goku has no equal, especially after he takes in the BS dragonballz.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
That puts him around SSJ3 Goku, but he's still not quite there.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
I'm under the impression that SSJ3 isn't much faster than SSJ2, maybe less than two times faster, but even so, SSJ2's speed was unthinkable, Perfect Cell was probably faster than Superman moved in that scan.

Originally posted by Combat_Guru
Just look out how a easily zipped around the Z Fighters, and he could have dodged MSSJ Goku's punches if he needed to,[/b[]/quote] Oh wow, he dodges well he must be light speed! I guess that means that Wolverine, Jiubilee, Gambit and spiderman are all light speed too.

[QUOTE=10423317]Originally posted by Combat_Guru
[B] and these Z Fighters were a matter of hundreds of times faster than Goku was when he threw the rubble at great speeds and caught it in it's first few seconds of flight.

In fact you're using circular reasoning. "They're faster than Superman, after all they look like they're faster than superman"

Originally posted by Kento
I just don't think he'd really get a chance to use a sensu bean. Least not more than one if Superman saw it was just making him stronger.

And besides does he really have any speed feats that can be quantified to help the whole speed issue?