Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Started by Violent2Dope135 pages

Originally posted by Kento
How would he be dead before he could get strong enough? Current Hulk specially. Or Savage who would get mad just because he's messing with him. Well maybe not better but at the very least on par with Cell. Hulk's came back from a skeleton. And Cell takes a little bit to come back. Hulk for the most part heals as it is happening. Cell only came back stronger because of his saiyan abilities. Hulk has also hit energy before why wouldn't he be able to stop the Kamehameha. It's just energy. And even base Hulk would still be able to get Gokou down with a thunderclap as Gokou charges a Kamehameha that could feasibly take out Hulk since he can't casually bust a planet with a Kamehameha. Gokou would be in a lot of pain from a ruptured eardrum enough for Hulk to jump up and smash him into the ground. Also I know Superman would win if he used all he could but really Superman wouldn't fight as he should in a comic fight and would ultimately be screwed in a fight with a Hulk. Also Gokou is weaker in his base form by a lot than Hulk is so what does it matter if Hulk is 90 tons at first. Current Hulk is above 90 tons, and smarter than Gokou. Savage Hulk would get mad just because he's bugging him as the fight begins and would be over 90 tons as the fight begins. I would even think Prof. Hulk could win since he's a lot smarter even if he can't get as strong as Current or Savage.

As for Juggernaut...If you can't be hurt by anything then it's really hard not to beat somebody like Gokou who doesn't have the option to bfr him unless he could use Cain's own momentum against him and send him going off to who knows where. And if you think Gokou is fast enough that Hulk would be no sweat Cain won't be hitting him before he could do something like Hulk did in WWH: X-Men since Hulk knew he couldn't win. Don't think it would actually be something Gokou would do but it would be the only way to even attempt to win.

1. WWH? Yeah, he is stronger, and more focused with anger, but still not enough. Goku is far faster. Also, why can Goku not bust a planet? Vegeta ASSJ could do it with Final Flash if he wanted. Cell came back from a nucleus, sure it took a little while(not alot) but it is still more impressive. Hell, Buu regens from smoke! A super condensed kamehameha would pwn the shit out of Hulk once fight started. Goku in SSJ easily can lift 40 tons, and in SSJ3 can likely lift hundreds of tons. HE wouldn't fist fight Hulk, tho if he did, I still don't see Hulk hurting him, wouldn't touch him.

2. I said Juggs would beat him.

^^Juggs loses to Spiderman.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. WWH? Yeah, he is stronger, and more focused with anger, but still not enough. Goku is far faster. Also, why can Goku not bust a planet? Vegeta ASSJ could do it with Final Flash if he wanted. Cell came back from a nucleus, sure it took a little while(not alot) but it is still more impressive. Hell, Buu regens from smoke! A super condensed kamehameha would pwn the shit out of Hulk once fight started. Goku in SSJ easily can lift 40 tons, and in SSJ3 can likely lift hundreds of tons. HE wouldn't fist fight Hulk, tho if he did, I still don't see Hulk hurting him, wouldn't touch him.

2. I said Juggs would beat him.

What does Buu have to do with it? Buu has better regen than anybody. Also Cell doesn't heal instantly as he is being blasted or whatever while Hulk does. They have different healing properties. Gokou can bust a planet just he can't do it anywhere near as casually as Kid Buu did. FPSSJ Gokou had to charge his Kamehameha to make it supposedly planet busting..And I still think that has to do with hitting the core not outright busting it either so ASSJ Vegeta would have to charge his Final Flash also. Thunder Clap would get him before he gets done charging it. He can casually shoot off Kamehameha's but they aren't planet busting when he does. SSJ3 Still would pale in strength compared to Current Hulk also so what is the point on how much he can lift if you don't think he is going to fist fight? Gokou's strength pale to almost any Hulk. And how will a Kamehameha end it if Hulk would be healing as it's frying his skin. Nobody that has ever been hit by a Kamehameha regenerates as something is happening like Hulk can. And Hulk has hit things going faster than he moves before what makes Gokou any different. Plus Hulk has physically touched energy before so why couldn't he just hit the Kamehameha away from him like everybody else does that is weaker? Also all Gokou's punches would do would make Hulk more angry making him stronger and faster, and his healing and durability better so h2h would be even worse for Gokou.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
^^Juggs loses to Spiderman.
Wasn't that only because he was outsmarted and put in cement? Spidey is a whole lot smarter than Gokou will ever dream of being.

Guys, this is Goku vs. Superman, not Goku vs. Hulk. Stay on topic.

I noticed Tang said that Superman can't move faster than light because of the atmosphere. Does anyone know if that's true or not?

Here is a dbz speed concept :

this is a speed feat for dbz get to 2 mins 33 seconds , and this is just gotenks a 'kid' in supersaiyan 1 and gotenks is shown capable of flying around the world like 2-3 times in a second that is near a third the the speed of light (at the speed of light you would be able to move around the world roughly 7 times in a second & calculations are based around teh circumfernce of teh earth being 24901miles and speed of light being 186000miles per second), goku can go supersaiyan 4 which is WAY faster!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2w5bX5qMLQ

Originally posted by SmashBro
I noticed Tang said that Superman can't move faster than light because of the atmosphere. Does anyone know if that's true or not?
He doesn't most of the time due to not wanting to cause colateral damage due to the high speed movement. Sonic booms and the like.

Originally posted by ankur29
Here is a dbz speed concept :

this is a speed feat for dbz get to 2 mins 33 seconds , and this is just gotenks a 'kid' in supersaiyan 1 and gotenks is shown capable of flying around the world like 2-3 times in a second that is near a third the the speed of light (at the speed of light you would be able to move around the world roughly 7 times in a second & calculations are based around teh circumfernce of teh earth being 24901miles and speed of light being 186000miles per second), goku can go supersaiyan 4 which is WAY faster!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2w5bX5qMLQ

Anime isn't canon.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Guys, this is Goku vs. Superman, not Goku vs. Hulk. Stay on topic.

They want a fight that Goku has a shot in hell of winning.

Originally posted by Creshosk
He doesn't most of the time due to not wanting to cause colateral damage due to the high speed movement. Sonic booms and the like.

Anime isn't canon.

but i thought the series was the original! the comics issue of taht episode must be identical !

Originally posted by ankur29
but i thought the series was the original! the comics issue of taht episode must be identical !
Super saiyan 4 never appeared in the manga, which is the original.

Originally posted by ankur29
Here is a dbz speed concept :

this is a speed feat for dbz get to 2 mins 33 seconds , and this is just gotenks a 'kid' in supersaiyan 1 and gotenks is shown capable of flying around the world like 2-3 times in a second that is near a third the the speed of light (at the speed of light you would be able to move around the world roughly 7 times in a second & calculations are based around teh circumfernce of teh earth being 24901miles and speed of light being 186000miles per second), goku can go supersaiyan 4 which is WAY faster!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=X2w5bX5qMLQ

In the anime it shows him sleeping also. But in the manga he doesn't really take a nap and it only shows him travel around the earth like 10 times on panel also. So who knows how many he actually did though by panel evidence it's really only 10 not dozens.

In the anime it shows the earth rotating significantly, so in the anime it actually took hours. The manga shows him being much faster (29 minutes).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Physical attacks are kinetic impacts (punching/kicking someone, throwing things at them, shooting them with projectile weapons).

Energy attacks are completely different.

um.......how? Except for maybe the heat generated they're both nothing more then kinetic impacts.

Anyway Goku 8/10x's. Most people in the thread can bring up Goku's one or two low showings while ignoring the fact that Superman got taken out by a gas station in DOS (since DD is somehow relevant to this argument) and a Nuke damn near killed him by blocking out the sun in DKR (you really don't want to go low showing vs low showing, it's ugly for Superman) and use selective real world logic (energy cannot simply disipate, illogical, but shooting ki bombs from your hands and frying people with heatvision are perfectly acceptable!) but barring some out of character actions Goku's generally got Superman's number.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
um.......how? Except for maybe the heat generated they're both nothing more then kinetic impacts.

Anyway Goku 8/10x's. Most people in the thread can bring up Goku's one or two low showings while ignoring the fact that Superman got taken out by a gas station in DOS (since DD is somehow relevant to this argument) and a Nuke damn near killed him by blocking out the sun in DKR (you really don't want to go low showing vs low showing, it's ugly for Superman) and use selective real world logic (energy cannot simply disipate, illogical, but shooting ki bombs from your hands and frying people with heatvision are perfectly acceptable!) but barring some out of character actions Goku's generally got Superman's number.

Because...Ya know Superman from DOS showing really applies to anything. And DD is relevant because he's stronger than Supes all the time. Be it from DOS or beyond. And when is Gokou's low showings used? People arguing for Gokou bring up Superman's low showing or older showing that he has gotten lot stronger from. Also DKR is about as canon as GT....which means it isn't at all. Nothing Gokou has done = anything Superman has shown to do.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
In the anime it shows the earth rotating significantly, so in the anime it actually took hours. The manga shows him being much faster (29 minutes).
In either one it was only 20 minutes since fusion only last 30.

dur In Dragonball, Goku was knocked out by a single bullet.

That's about as applicable to this fight as Superman getting knocked out by a gas station explosion.

also in dbz movie 12 , gohan in saiyaman outfit crushes a car with his heel and catches a flurry of bullets without much effort at all

Originally posted by ankur29
also in dbz movie 12 , gohan in saiyaman outfit crushes a car with his heel and catches a flurry of bullets without much effort at all
movies are non-canon

Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]He doesn't most of the time due to not wanting to cause colateral damage due to the high speed movement. Sonic booms and the like.

I get it. So it's more like he doesn't WANT to do it rather than he "can't" do it, right?

Originally posted by ankur29
also in dbz movie 12 , gohan in saiyaman outfit crushes a car with his heel and catches a flurry of bullets without much effort at all

Roshi caught a flurry of bullets without much effort in the original Dragonball.

so what is this based on? cannon goku vs cannon superman

cannon goku can only go ssj3 right?

so how exactly would you gauge their speed in diff forms?

goku normal/kaiokenx20/ssj1/ascended/ssj2/ssj3?

light speed?near light?escape velocity? orbital velocity? hyper sonic?supersonic?sound speed?subsonic?

we know superman is faster than the speed of light