Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That was never stated. He said he was "the fastest in the universe" (an obvious lie since he knew Frieza was faster than him).

maybe frieza is even faster than light?

is the comics version of goku struggling with 40 tons?

and was it stated by goku that instant transmission is lightspeed/186000 mpsecond in the comics as it was in teh show

superman has flown past FTL and has also flown fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of 2 blackholes.

PS Goku destroyed a planet with a spirit bomb though he took a long time to conjure up such a large attack, but none the less it destroyed the planet they were on

Originally posted by shortstickman
superman has flown past FTL and has also flown fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of 2 blackholes.

PS Goku destroyed a planet with a spirit bomb though he took a long time to conjure up such a large attack, but none the less it destroyed the planet they were on

do you remeber in one of vegeta's first appearances where he open the door to his pod and blows up a planet wothout nay efort! that was at teh satart of saiyan sage when he was weak!!!!!! that planet was huge! see how freiza blew up planet vegeta withot a laugh! goku is stronger than that by a hundred fold!

Originally posted by ankur29
do you remeber in one of vegeta's first appearances where he open the door to his pod and blows up a planet wothout nay efort! that was at teh satart of saiyan sage when he was weak!!!!!! that planet was huge! see how freiza blew up planet vegeta withot a laugh! goku is stronger than that by a hundred fold!

Originally posted by ankur29
maybe frieza is even faster than light?

is the comics version of goku struggling with 40 tons?

and was it stated by goku that instant transmission is lightspeed/186000 mpsecond in the comics as it was in teh show

Originally posted by shortstickman
superman has flown past FTL and has also flown fast enough to escape the gravitational pull of 2 blackholes.

PS Goku destroyed a planet with a spirit bomb though he took a long time to conjure up such a large attack, but none the less it destroyed the planet they were on

Don't really want to join the debate, but... If I'm not mistaken (which I am not) Kid Buu fired a fast, powerful blast that blew the Earth in an instant, practically Vaporized it. The blast was made by Kid Buu very fast, and it destroyed Earth.

With me so far?

Ok

Its safe to say then that a charged blast by Kid Buu would be ATLEAST as powerful as this blast.

This is the good part:

Does anyone remember when Goku took Kid Buu's charged Kamehameha to the face and it did NOTHING to him?

This is where I get that Goku can EASILY survive a planet destroying blast.

Maybe I'll join later or another day, but the fact that I can't post scans or links is too annoying.

Okay, Goku in base can lift more than 10 tons, as he was doing 8 tons overall EASILY.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
While standing on top of it.

It was a stone pillar, and the weight and distance were never stated.

Distance was stated to be across the Earth. Even if you make the DB earth as small as the US, that's still a class 100 feat.

He's beaten tons of people who have,

Who?

and he can do it via physical force.

When has this happened or shown to happen in the comics?

Goku has never destroyed a planet.

Nope, but much weaker Freeza destroyed a planet with 10x's the mass of Earth (Vegeta) while in his first form and weaker Kid Buu destroyed the Earth with ease.

Why, because DBZ is drawn with lots of blurry lines and afterimages, that automatically makes it faster?

No, that means Goku is more prone to fighting at faster speeds then Superman, who rarely does and with much more skill.

That's just the art style.

Which reflects the fact that Goku is always fighting at high speeds, unlike your mythical light speed blitzing Superman.

Superman has consistently

😆

better speed feat, for travelling

Incorrect, Shunkan Idou is instantaneous movement. When has Superman moved faster then instant?

and reaction.

Incorrect.

He has shown the ability to move many times lightspeed,

To travel, which is as relevant as Goku using Shunkan Idou to move instantaneously.

whereas DBZ characters haven't proven themselves to be even 1% of lightspeed.

😆

And you base this on.... what, exactly?

The comics

Superman had 1000 years of battle experience in Valhalla.

Which he displays often with his ki (lol u c whut i did thar) tactic being punch opponent in face, block opponents blows with chest/face. Vs Goku who does nothing but parry and dodge at high speeds.

Let's put it this way

At the age of 15 Goku was the best martial artist on his planet
At the age of 30 Goku was the best martial artist in the universe

What's Superman got? The fact that he'd probably get scraped by Tim Drake if he were depowered?

He can defeat dozens of armed thugs while he is unarmed and has no powers.

Uh-oh, someone tell Mr. Satan he has competition 😆

Goku's fighting style is basically just kicking + punching + spamming ki blasts.

As well as actually parrying and dodging blows,

I mean, yeah, Superman blocks punches

WITH HIS FACE

😂

You have yet to show that he is physically stronger than her. He can't even lift 10 tons in base form.

Yet at the age of 12 he was able to bench press a car with ease and his power has increased a million fold since then (and Super Saiyan is a > 20x increase to strength). Not to mention he didn't fail to lift anything, he had trouble training with dispersed weight. Professional weight lifters couldn't train with 100 lb weights dispersed around their bodies, does this change the fact that they can't bench or lift 7x's the amount of that?

Keep clinging to the low showing straws

I'll just laugh as I re-read Hush for the millionth time and watch planet busters in Dr. Light/Dr. Polaris school Superman and his boys.

😂 Superman.

Because those guys can manipulate energy to damage him in ways DBZ characters can't.

Way to use low - end feats and ignore high ones, BTW.

I don't ignore any feats or hype up low showings, I go by the average way Superman is written. What a knowledgable comic book head who reads comics from day to day and doesn't make judgements based off of respect threads would say.

Average Superman fights with the skill of an average joe with Super powers

Average Goku fights with the skill of a martial artist of the highest order with Super powers.

Goku >>>>>>>>>> Superman in skill.

If the Superman fans generally think that it takes an Imperiex level energy beam to hurt Superman, I can think that a gas station has a winning record against him and point out that just recently Superman got superpunked by Dr. ****ing Light.

PIS, besides, that was almost 20 years ago.

😂

Based on nothing but your unfounded claims and usage of 20 - year - old low showings.

🤣

You have yet to provide any evidence for this whatsoever. Superman has fought around the world in seconds, and to the sun and back in minutes.

Oh, so you're telling me that Superman speedblitzes more often then not? You're telling me that, despite the fact that the majority of Superman's rogue gallery has 0 super speed yet still tag him without much trouble, Superman fights every being he sees using his speed? You're telling me Superman was moving at light speed when Dr. ****ing Light bent him over and made him into his woman?

No evidence for this claim.

😂

A few hundred more ">" marks required.

😆

Again, unfounded claim.

When Superman can level planets with heat vision, get at me.

[QUOTE=9727641]Originally posted by Kento
Sure 40 tons is a low showing even though it's done many years

Yep and Superman getting KTFO by Cyborg Superman happened many years after lol he took Imperiex's galaxy busting attack with a smile.

Gtfohhhhhhhhhhhhh

later by the same guy who knows his character.

Oh, so any Superman showing not written by Siegel is invalid? Since none of the other guys "know his character."

Toriyama doesn't just think of specifics like this when he writes and doesn't care as much about minor details (like Goku's lifting strength) as American writers, he just puts out random numbers. For all we know, the 40 tons was just to show that Base Goku is a joke to Super Saiyan Goku. Who handled it easily and doesn't have a gauged limit to his strength. Based on Daizenshuu he's actually 500x's stronger then Base Goku, which puts SSJ1 Goku's strength around 20,000 tons, if you put another 500 on it that's 10,000,000 tons, put another 500 and you've just proven that at a relative low showing that goes against Goku's established character, at SSJ3 Goku is at 5,000,000,000 tons. Pretty good considering Superman's been hurt physically by people who have shown to be much weaker then this (LIKE WONDER MAN LOL).

Superman's been shown to be able to destroy a planet with energy projection.

When?

he could be Kid Buu's equal but it's not known how strong he is then.

He was already stronger then KB during the Buu Saga, he stated he held back and could have killed Buu but wanted Veggie face to get a crack at him.

Superman does apply his speed in battle,

Not as often as Goku.

he is effective at using it,

Not as effective as Goku.

and he has a lot more experience than Gokou

Which means zilch.

and is smarter.

Not when it comes to fighting.

Maxima physically weaker than Gokou? Isn't she over 100 tons?

Both are over 100, Goku, however, is much stronger.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
[QUOTE=9727641]Originally posted by Kento
[B]Sure 40 tons is a low showing even though it's done many years

Yep and Superman getting KTFO by Cyborg Superman happened many years after lol he took Imperiex's galaxy busting attack with a smile.

Gtfohhhhhhhhhhhhh[/b]

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
[later by the same guy who knows his character.

Oh, so any Superman showing not written by Siegel is invalid? Since none of the other guys "know his character."

Toriyama doesn't just think of specifics like this when he writes and doesn't care as much about minor details (like Goku's lifting strength) as American writers, he just puts out random numbers. For all we know, the 40 tons was just to show that Base Goku is a joke to Super Saiyan Goku. Who handled it easily and doesn't have a gauged limit to his strength. Based on Daizenshuu he's actually 500x's stronger then Base Goku, which puts SSJ1 Goku's strength around 20,000 tons, if you put another 500 on it that's 10,000,000 tons, put another 500 and you've just proven that at a relative low showing that goes against Goku's established character, at SSJ3 Goku is at 5,000,000,000 tons. Pretty good considering Superman's been hurt physically by people who have shown to be much weaker then this (LIKE WONDER MAN LOL).

You got anything concrete or just the typical DBZ fanboy bullshit?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
[
Superman's been shown to be able to destroy a planet with energy projection.

When?

he could be Kid Buu's equal but it's not known how strong he is then.

He was already stronger then KB during the Buu Saga, he stated he held back and could have killed Buu but wanted Veggie face to get a crack at him.

Superman does apply his speed in battle,

Not as often as Goku.

he is effective at using it,

Not as effective as Goku.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
[and he has a lot more experience than Gokou

Which means zilch.

and is smarter.

Not when it comes to fighting.

Yes because punch + kick + knee + spam ki blast is such inteligent fighting.

Or I know, "I can kill this guy, but I'm going to hold back so I don't kill him too quickly." or how about "My son's going to fight you, here's a senzu bean mr villian who wants to kill me and all I hold dear!"

Yeah.. real inteligent when it comes to fighting.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
[Maxima physically weaker than Gokou? Isn't she over 100 tons?

Both are over 100, Goku, however, is much stronger.

Lol @ Creshosk.

Your argument in a nutshell and why it's unreadable drivel.

"Goku's BASE 40 ton lifting strength is his be all end all cap despite it going against years of character history.

even though it's shown he's easily higher then that anyway.

Oh and ignore Superman's low showings, they're cool and perfectly acceptable. Different writers.

Our explanation contradicted on-panel evidence

dur, it's shown Goku is easily able to handle 40 tons past base and stated in the official Daizenshuu power levels that his SSJ form gives a 500x increase in power.

I'm not going to prove Superman can bust a planet, such evidence doesn't exist so I'll call it your opinion.

Superman's experience plays a HUGE factor in determining who's a better MA, this is why he's a better martial artist then Val Armorr, who only has about 19 years of combat experience.

IMO Goku's a unintelligent fighter, despite being called a genius on multiple occasions by multiple fighters.

On panel evidence Maxima is only comparable to Goku at Goku's very weakest state"

😂

Dunno if anyone here has read the interview (the Superman side, anyways, I posted the link on the other forum, at MovieCodec, but it was too lng ago, yet there are many on MovieCodec itself who remember me posting it, and they are on the Superman side).

Anyways, the interview was for a magazine, it was for Akira Toriyama. This was some 10 years ago, maybe, easily, more. Ofcourse alot of questions about how he came to DragonBall Z drawing and whatnot, and alot of the questions soon got conned into specifics, in which one was "what are the powers of each saiyan lvl?" in which Akira answered "Each lvl exceeds the last by 50x in terms of speed, power, strength, senses, anything that the character posses is multiplied".

With this said, you can understand the power growings in each sayain.

I CAN'T promise a link to this, but if you Google "50 times super sayain" or similar words (play around with words) you'll se many sites using this as their basis for their fanmade calculations on power lvl's. It is't because they have made it up, but rather because they took this interview as a basis for their words.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Goku "struggling" with 40 tons is a low showing. In Dragonball Tao Pai Pi was able to throw a 2 ton steel beam across the world.

While standing on top of it.

Goku's done plenty to be > Superman.

For instance

has Superman been shown to be able to bust a planet using energy projection?

Hell no.

Goku has, numerous times.

Does Superman apply his speed in battle as often as Goku?

Hell no.

Is Superman as effective at applying his speed in battle as Goku?

Hell no.

Has Superman shown to be nearly as skilled a fighter as Goku?

Hell no.

Has Superman been hurt by people physically weaker then Goku like Maxima and with weaker energy projection then Goku like Coldcast and Dr. Light?

Hell yeah.

Has Superman been knocked out by Gas Stations post DOS like in Morrison's JLA?

Hell yeah.

Out of character using only top showing fan made Superman wins due to speedblitz and having more appearances then Goku.

But a in character Superman that we actually see in the average everyday comic? Loses 8/10x's.

Stats go like this

Strength:

Superman >> Goku

Speed (in a fight, not some random clocked travel speed that's completely outside the realms of battle):

Goku > Superman

Skill:

Goku >>>>> Superman

Durability:

Superman > Goku

Energy projection:

Goku >>> Superman

You my friend have just won this thread OVER AND OVER again

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Lol @ Creshosk.

Your argument in a nutshell and why it's unreadable drivel.

"Goku's BASE 40 ton lifting strength is his be all end all cap despite it going against years of character history.

Your argumentin a nutshell:
durwank

Originally posted by Pete Beast
Dunno if anyone here has read the interview (the Superman side, anyways, I posted the link on the other forum, at MovieCodec, but it was too lng ago, yet there are many on MovieCodec itself who remember me posting it, and they are on the Superman side).

Anyways, the interview was for a magazine, it was for Akira Toriyama. This was some 10 years ago, maybe, easily, more. Ofcourse alot of questions about how he came to DragonBall Z drawing and whatnot, and alot of the questions soon got conned into specifics, in which one was "what are the powers of each saiyan lvl?" in which Akira answered "Each lvl exceeds the last by 50x in terms of speed, power, strength, senses, anything that the character posses is multiplied".

With this said, you can understand the power growings in each sayain.

I CAN'T promise a link to this, but if you Google "50 times super sayain" or similar words (play around with words) you'll se many sites using this as their basis for their fanmade calculations on power lvl's. It is't because they have made it up, but rather because they took this interview as a basis for their words.

😱

fanfiction ftw.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
It was a stone pillar, and the weight and distance were never stated.

Distance was stated to be across the Earth. Even if you make the DB earth as small as the US, that's still a class 100 feat.

He's beaten tons of people who have,

Who?

and he can do it via physical force.

When has this happened or shown to happen in the comics?

Goku has never destroyed a planet.

Nope, but much weaker Freeza destroyed a planet with 10x's the mass of Earth (Vegeta) while in his first form and weaker Kid Buu destroyed the Earth with ease.

Why, because DBZ is drawn with lots of blurry lines and afterimages, that automatically makes it faster?

No, that means Goku is more prone to fighting at faster speeds then Superman, who rarely does and with much more skill.

That's just the art style.

Which reflects the fact that Goku is always fighting at high speeds, unlike your mythical light speed blitzing Superman.

Superman has consistently

😆

better speed feat, for travelling

Incorrect, Shunkan Idou is instantaneous movement. When has Superman moved faster then instant?

and reaction.

Incorrect.

He has shown the ability to move many times lightspeed,

To travel, which is as relevant as Goku using Shunkan Idou to move instantaneously.

whereas DBZ characters haven't proven themselves to be even 1% of lightspeed.

😆

And you base this on.... what, exactly?

The comics

Superman had 1000 years of battle experience in Valhalla.

Which he displays often with his ki (lol u c whut i did thar) tactic being punch opponent in face, block opponents blows with chest/face. Vs Goku who does nothing but parry and dodge at high speeds.

Let's put it this way

At the age of 15 Goku was the best martial artist on his planet
At the age of 30 Goku was the best martial artist in the universe

What's Superman got? The fact that he'd probably get scraped by Tim Drake if he were depowered?

He can defeat dozens of armed thugs while he is unarmed and has no powers.

Uh-oh, someone tell Mr. Satan he has competition 😆

Goku's fighting style is basically just kicking + punching + spamming ki blasts.

As well as actually parrying and dodging blows,

I mean, yeah, Superman blocks punches

WITH HIS FACE

😂

You have yet to show that he is physically stronger than her. He can't even lift 10 tons in base form.

Yet at the age of 12 he was able to bench press a car with ease and his power has increased a million fold since then (and Super Saiyan is a > 20x increase to strength). Not to mention he didn't fail to lift anything, he had trouble training with dispersed weight. Professional weight lifters couldn't train with 100 lb weights dispersed around their bodies, does this change the fact that they can't bench or lift 7x's the amount of that?

Keep clinging to the low showing straws

I'll just laugh as I re-read Hush for the millionth time and watch planet busters in Dr. Light/Dr. Polaris school Superman and his boys.

😂 Superman.

Because those guys can manipulate energy to damage him in ways DBZ characters can't.

Way to use low - end feats and ignore high ones, BTW.

I don't ignore any feats or hype up low showings, I go by the average way Superman is written. What a knowledgable comic book head who reads comics from day to day and doesn't make judgements based off of respect threads would say.

Average Superman fights with the skill of an average joe with Super powers

Average Goku fights with the skill of a martial artist of the highest order with Super powers.

Goku >>>>>>>>>> Superman in skill.

If the Superman fans generally think that it takes an Imperiex level energy beam to hurt Superman, I can think that a gas station has a winning record against him and point out that just recently Superman got superpunked by Dr. ****ing Light.

PIS, besides, that was almost 20 years ago.

😂

Based on nothing but your unfounded claims and usage of 20 - year - old low showings.

🤣

You have yet to provide any evidence for this whatsoever. Superman has fought around the world in seconds, and to the sun and back in minutes.

Oh, so you're telling me that Superman speedblitzes more often then not? You're telling me that, despite the fact that the majority of Superman's rogue gallery has 0 super speed yet still tag him without much trouble, Superman fights every being he sees using his speed? You're telling me Superman was moving at light speed when Dr. ****ing Light bent him over and made him into his woman?

No evidence for this claim.

😂

A few hundred more ">" marks required.

😆

Again, unfounded claim.

When Superman can level planets with heat vision, get at me. [/B]

Why are you made of so much win?
Even i cant make Endless Mick shut up with his #%$^. U are truly amazing
Hi Endless Mick

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
You my friend have just won this thread OVER AND OVER again

Only according to you.

Originally posted by Creshosk
oh is this the interveiw in the magazine that doesn't exist?

😱

fanfiction ftw.

Actualy your mistaken by a fanmade statement claming a sequel to the interview, in which he "said" somehting like:

"they went form moving from sound speed to moving above lightspeed *laughs*"

am I right? Yes, THAT one is shit and fake. The one I'm talking about was actually real. Ill attempt to find the link but it took me months to find it a year ago, I'll see if I have better luck now...

EDIT- vulgar

EDIT- quoting the vulgar

reported 😐