Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by ankur29
so what is this based on? cannon goku vs cannon superman

cannon goku can only go ssj3 right?

so how exactly would you gauge their speed in diff forms?

goku normal/kaiokenx20/ssj1/ascended/ssj2/ssj3?

light speed?near light?escape velocity? orbital velocity? hyper sonic?supersonic?sound speed?subsonic?

we know superman is faster than the speed of light

Originally posted by SmashBro
I get it. So it's more like he doesn't WANT to do it rather than he "can't" do it, right?

Originally posted by Kento
Well it's pretty obvious tbat Gokou can go faster than sound by a lot but it's also a fact he can't go light speed. Where between those two I don't know. You gauge their speed on what people have been shown to do. Gohan at base can fly in five minutes what it takes a jet 5 hours to do. SSJ Gotenks can go around the world suposedly a few dozen times in 29 minutes and take a nap though the panel shows 10 times and then next one he lands and then Piccolo appears without him ever taking a nap so who knows about what he actually did since he also like to exaggerate everything. But ssj Gotenks is still below light speed. Of Course SSJ3 Gokou maybe faster but all we know Gotenks > Gokou but we don't know where SSJ Gotenks stand compared to SSJ3 Gokou.

based on that i can speculate gohan's speed

assuming that the jet can move at say mach 2 considereing the age of the series and the probable time & technology it may be based on

5 hours x(2x761mph)= distance covered in 5 hours
5hrs x 1522mph=total of 7610 miles

speed =distance(miles)/time(hours)
speed=7610/(5mins it took gohan/ 60minutes (or 1hour))
speed= 91230mph!

therefore gohan (who i am assuming is the kid and in normal form)
was moving at 91230mph or mach 120(120 times the speed of sound) this is of course a guess none the less it is extremely fast and goku is much faster

Originally posted by ankur29
based on that i can speculate gohan's speed

assuming that the jet can move at say mach 2 considereing the age of the series and the probable time & technology it may be based on

5 hours x(2x761mph)= distance covered in 5 hours
5hrs x 1522mph=total of 7610 miles

speed =distance(miles)/time(hours)
speed=7610/(5mins/ 60minutes (or 1hour))
speed= 91230mph!

therefore gohan (who i am assuming is the kid and in normal form)
was moving at 91230mph or mach 120(120 times teh speed of sound) this is of course a guess none the less it is extremely fast

still thats 120 TIMES the speed of sound!

i have a question by what numerical factor does ssj1 increase a saiyain's normal attributes by?

what i mean is ,does transforming into ssj1 increase your speed,strength,durability,relfexes,agility,power by twice as much /ten fold etc the question applies for ssj2 ascended and ssj3?

Originally posted by ankur29
still thats 120 TIMES the speed of sound!

i have a question by what numerical factor does ssj1 increase a saiyain's normal attributes by?

what i mean is ,does transforming into ssj1 increase your speed,strength,durability,relfexes,agility,power by twice as much /ten fold etc the question applies for ssj2 ascended and ssj3?

Originally posted by Soljer
dur In Dragonball, Goku was knocked out by a single bullet.

When?

Originally posted by Kento
Because...Ya know Superman from DOS showing really applies to anything. And DD is relevant because he's stronger than Supes all the time. Be it from DOS or beyond. And when is Gokou's low showings used? People arguing for Gokou bring up Superman's low showing or older showing that he has gotten lot stronger from. Also DKR is about as canon as GT....which means it isn't at all. Nothing Gokou has done = anything Superman has shown to do. In either one it was only 20 minutes since fusion only last 30.

Goku "struggling" with 40 tons is a low showing. In Dragonball Tao Pai Pi was able to throw a 2 ton steel beam across the world.

While standing on top of it.

Goku's done plenty to be > Superman.

For instance

has Superman been shown to be able to bust a planet using energy projection?

Hell no.

Goku has, numerous times.

Does Superman apply his speed in battle as often as Goku?

Hell no.

Is Superman as effective at applying his speed in battle as Goku?

Hell no.

Has Superman shown to be nearly as skilled a fighter as Goku?

Hell no.

Has Superman been hurt by people physically weaker then Goku like Maxima and with weaker energy projection then Goku like Coldcast and Dr. Light?

Hell yeah.

Has Superman been knocked out by Gas Stations post DOS like in Morrison's JLA?

Hell yeah.

Out of character using only top showing fan made Superman wins due to speedblitz and having more appearances then Goku.

But a in character Superman that we actually see in the average everyday comic? Loses 8/10x's.

Stats go like this

Strength:

Superman >> Goku

Speed (in a fight, not some random clocked travel speed that's completely outside the realms of battle):

Goku > Superman

Skill:

Goku >>>>> Superman

Durability:

Superman > Goku

Energy projection:

Goku >>> Superman

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
When?

When he fought General White.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Goku "struggling" with 40 tons is a low showing. In Dragonball Tao Pai Pi was able to throw a 2 ton steel beam across the world.

While standing on top of it.[/quote]

It was a stone pillar, and the weight and distance were never stated.

Goku's done plenty to be > Superman.

For instance

[quote]has Superman been shown to be able to bust a planet using energy projection?

Hell no.

He's beaten tons of people who have, and he can do it via physical force.

Goku has, numerous times.

Goku has never destroyed a planet.

Does Superman apply his speed in battle as often as Goku?

Hell no.

Is Superman as effective at applying his speed in battle as Goku?

Hell no.

Why, because DBZ is drawn with lots of blurry lines and afterimages, that automatically makes it faster? That's just the art style. The characters in Rorouni Kenshin are drawn the same way, and they're only a bit above peak human. Superman has consistently better speed feats, for both travelling and reaction. He has shown the ability to move many times lightspeed, whereas DBZ characters haven't proven themselves to be even 1% of lightspeed.

Has Superman shown to be nearly as skilled a fighter as Goku?

Hell no.

And you base this on.... what, exactly? Superman had 1000 years of battle experience in Valhalla. He can defeat dozens of armed thugs while he is unarmed and has no powers. Goku's fighting style is basically just kicking + punching + spamming ki blasts.

Has Superman been hurt by people physically weaker then Goku like Maxima

You have yet to show that he is physically stronger than her. He can't even lift 10 tons in base form.

and with weaker energy projection then Goku like Coldcast and Dr. Light?

Hell yeah.

Because those guys can manipulate energy to damage him in ways DBZ characters can't. Way to use low - end feats and ignore high ones, BTW.

Has Superman been knocked out by Gas Stations post DOS like in Morrison's JLA?

Hell yeah.

PIS, besides, that was almost 20 years ago.

Out of character using only top showing fan made Superman wins due to speedblitz and having more appearances then Goku.

But a in character Superman that we actually see in the average everyday comic? Loses 8/10x's.

Based on nothing but your unfounded claims and usage of 20 - year - old low showings.

Stats go like this

Strength:

Superman >> Goku[quote]

I'd add a few dozen more ">" marks there.

[quote]Speed (in a fight, not some random clocked travel speed that's completely outside the realms of battle):

Goku > Superman

You have yet to provide any evidence for this whatsoever. Superman has fought around the world in seconds, and to the sun and back in minutes.

Skill:

Goku >>>>> Superman

No evidence for this claim.

Durability:

Superman > Goku

A few hundred more ">" marks required.

Energy projection:

Goku >>> Superman

Again, unfounded claim.

BTW, here is the page in question:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1346/gohanhousedistancefk8.gif

And he didn't make that trip in 5 minutes, it was 20 minutes:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8932/gohanslowhs9.gif

1000 km in 20 minutes = a little under 2.5 times the speed of sound.

Originally posted by Joey Stacks

Goku's done plenty to be > Superman.

For instance

has Superman been shown to be able to bust a planet using energy projection?

Hell no.

Goku has, numerous times.

Out of character using only top showing fan made Superman wins due to speedblitz and having more appearances then Goku.

But a in character Superman that we actually see in the average everyday comic? Loses 8/10x's.

Stats go like this

Strength:

Superman >> Goku

Speed (in a fight, not some random clocked travel speed that's completely outside the realms of battle):

this is all wrong and being as i've gota character limit ill post my response in my next post...

ahh FFS i cant post links dammit

well first things first read up on darksied and the omega effect

Originally posted by wikipedia
Omega Effect, a form of energy that he fires from his eyes. It is not only a relentless attack, but it is also capable of teleporting the target to any location Darkseid chooses and recall them later or erase the target from the universe and similarly reform them. Darkseid has pinpoint control over his Omega Beams, and his unerring aim allows it to travel in straight lines or bend, twist, or curve around corners. His omega beams are also able to dissipate and disperse the molecules of most objects or organisms, effectively erasing them from existence. The Omega Effect can apparently pass through matter and energy

a quote from a different forum

Originally posted by BraidedHeadman
Also, in the Infinite Crisis comic series, Superman (Kal-el) fought with an interdivisional version of himself (Kal-L). The both of them realized that they had to let loose with everything they had in order to prevail against the other, which they did. The blows that they inflicted on each other (not actually hitting the planet surface directly) met with such force that the shockwaves they produced not only tore the planet they were fighting on/near to shreds (in fact, I think they may have atomized it by the end, I can't quite remember), but actually created tears through time and space, causing events from both Supermen’s past and the future to manifest before other hero/villain groups throughout the galaxy. I tried to find some scans of this fight - I've seen them before - but I don’t have time at the moment to keep looking.

Well to be accurate, Superman's resistance to the OE has usually been attributed to some kind of connection to the Source/being essential to the universe

what about the scan the scan when goku beat burter and burter said he aws faster than light?

That was never stated. He said he was "the fastest in the universe" (an obvious lie since he knew Frieza was faster than him).

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That was never stated. He said he was "the fastest in the universe" (an obvious lie since he knew Frieza was faster than him).

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8917/burterfastze3ax8.png

he's just arrogant then?

Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Goku "struggling" with 40 tons is a low showing. In Dragonball Tao Pai Pi was able to throw a 2 ton steel beam across the world.

While standing on top of it.

Goku's done plenty to be > Superman.

For instance

has Superman been shown to be able to bust a planet using energy projection?

Hell no.

Goku has, numerous times.

Does Superman apply his speed in battle as often as Goku?

Hell no.

Is Superman as effective at applying his speed in battle as Goku?

Hell no.

Has Superman shown to be nearly as skilled a fighter as Goku?

Hell no.

Has Superman been hurt by people physically weaker then Goku like Maxima and with weaker energy projection then Goku like Coldcast and Dr. Light?

Hell yeah.

Has Superman been knocked out by Gas Stations post DOS like in Morrison's JLA?

Hell yeah.

Out of character using only top showing fan made Superman wins due to speedblitz and having more appearances then Goku.

But a in character Superman that we actually see in the average everyday comic? Loses 8/10x's.

Stats go like this

Strength:

Superman >> Goku

Speed (in a fight, not some random clocked travel speed that's completely outside the realms of battle):

Goku > Superman

Skill:

Goku >>>>> Superman

Durability:

Superman > Goku

Energy projection:

Goku >>> Superman

Superman's been shown to be able to destroy a planet with energy projection. His heat vision he can destroy it. Not in the same way Gokou or other Z characters can but Gokou hasn't been shown to be able to destroy a planet like Kid Buu did. Probably by the End of Z he could since then he could be Kid Buu's equal but it's not known how strong he is then.

Superman does apply his speed in battle, he is effective at using it, and he has a lot more experience than Gokou and is smarter.

Maxima physically weaker than Gokou? Isn't she over 100 tons? And from what I hear of Dr. Light he's strong. Don't even know who Coldcast is.

Superman is hundreds of times stronger, he is also a whole lot faster than him, a lot more skilled, and has better durability specially when it comes to punches and not energy blasts. The only thing Gokou has over Superman is his energy blasts but Heat Vision will hurt Gokou more than a Kamehameha will hurt Superman.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
BTW, here is the page in question:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1346/gohanhousedistancefk8.gif

And he didn't make that trip in 5 minutes, it was 20 minutes:

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8932/gohanslowhs9.gif

1000 km in 20 minutes = a little under 2.5 times the speed of sound.