Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

Originally posted by nij-ayias
excuse me, try to be polite please.

my point is most of you didn't show any scans proving superman's traveling speed and his agility are equal, only assumptions. show me were supes stated that or shown, not assume.

1.)cell could destroy solar system, stated as cell was concentrating his energy.

2.)goku is fighting faster than light at ginyu arc, stated as baata can't hit goku.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try

science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this. Can a person blast a planet into oblivion or move it in another galaxy? Obviously not. It’s already proven the fictions are made to be not scientific and they are hardly logical. It cannot be proven by formulas, logic, equations and opinions unless it was clearly stated.

fictions contain plot holes, and they are completely irrelevant to formulas and science.

it's fact as long as it was stated or shown in the comics.

Crossovers usually beat logic, so equations cannot prove who is stronger.

Except everything after that arc proves Gokou couldn't move light speed during Freeza saga. Gohan, and Gotenks both proved this since they aren't even light speed. Gohan took five minutes to get from his home to his school and Gotenks took a minute to get to Buu's house.

Superman has flown through galaxies in minutes, flown to the sun and back in a couple of minutes, flew after Flash who was going faster than light speed and keeping up. Superman has the feats that actually prove he's faster than light while Gokou has nothing.

Originally posted by Kento
Except the combined might of Cell and Gohan's blast only shook Earth...though I can't remember if it was the whole Earth or just that area. I don't remember how many towns it showed I think it was just one. The blast also just created a large crater.

did gohan stopped cell ? yes or no

stop assuming if you cant remember.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

Originally posted by Kento
Except everything after that arc proves Gokou couldn't move light speed during Freeza saga. Gohan, and Gotenks both proved this since they aren't even light speed. Gohan took five minutes to get from his home to his school and Gotenks took a minute to get to Buu's house.

fighting and traveling are different.

agility and speed are different.

why would gohan hurry?

since when does it stated that dragon ball are not lighspeed.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

stop assuming.............

Originally posted by Kento
Superman has flown through galaxies in minutes, flown to the sun and back in a couple of minutes, flew after Flash who was going faster than light speed and keeping up. Superman has the feats that actually prove he's faster than light while Gokou has nothing.

i know but, is that agility?

did you read what i post.

goku proved he was lightspeed when fighting baata.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

stop assuming...

I like cheese

Originally posted by nij-ayias
did gohan stopped cell ? yes or no

stop assuming if you cant remember.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

fighting and traveling are different.

agility and speed are different.

why would gohan hurry?

since when does it stated that dragon ball are not lighspeed.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

stop assuming.............

i know but, is that agility?

did you read what i post.

goku proved he was lightspeed when fighting baata.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

stop assuming...

So I guess Cell was stronger than Gohan because Cell stated he was the strongest and Gohan never said anything like that even though Gohan won. Just because a character says something doesn't make it true.

Superman has fought from Earth to the Sun and back.. Fought not flew, not chased, fought. Superman chased Flash around the world moving faster than light and didn't hit nothing even when they went through cities. Why do you assume just because Superman is usually shown flying fast he can't fight just as fast even though he's fought, built, dodged, and manuvered through things all at high speeds faster than anything Z warriors have been shown.

Why would Gohan hurry? Beside he was racing Nimbus? Besides he didn't know how long it would take to get there and he didn't want to be late for school so he put on his Great Saiyaman outfit and sped off surprised he arrived to much earlier and now he realized he wouldn't have to get up so early now.

Since when is DB stated to be lightspeed except for an obvious mistranslated scan and and obvious mistaken american version of the anime with Radditz. Nothing has been shown to prove they are light speed at all no matter what.

Comics can state lots of things but not be true. Superman says nearly every fight that the person he fought was the toughest yet they've never even come close to putting him down like Doomsday or Darkseid have. Superman has stated apparently he can't fly at light speed while MM has stated Superman can fly at light speed, and Superman has flown at light speed chasing Flash who was stated to be going faster than light and was outrunning heat vision that goes at light speed. Darkseid has said nothing can survive his omega beams when things have. Burta said he was the fastest even though Freeza was faster. Freeza said he was the strongest in the universe when obviously Kaioshin, and Buu were stronger and around long before he was ever though of. Vegeta said he was super saiyan. Just because a character says something doesn't make it true.

Superman, doesnt need to catch on fire to become a badass. Superman wakes up and puts his pants on as a badass. Goku, is a fvcking cheese ball until he catches on fire, or fuses himself (homo-sexually) with someone.
Superman can turn back time and move planets at will.
Goku, summons spirit energy from forest creatures into a giant ball of hippie love. Superman burns holes through people with his death ray eyes.
Goku, can teleport. Superman, freezes bitches into a block of ice with his breath.
Goku, needs time and space to focus his badassness. Superman, needs only sunlight. Superman can sleep in the sun...,Dont fvck with superman, he hates that.

I like cheese

What kind of cheese?

Superman is a *** but thats not the reason he is fail and will lose to Goku. I used to be a Supes fanboy, then i watched Dragonball and saw how much Goku was superiror to Supes back then

I used to watch DBZ and JLU and thought Goku would own Superman easily, but then I picked up a comic book and realized how wrong I was

If u go by there animated showings, Goku could kill the entire DC animated universe...thats how weak they we're in JLU. But yeah, pick up any of supes comics and u will see the difference really quickly.

Animated Amazo> Dbz

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Superman is a *** but thats not the reason he is fail and will lose to Goku. I used to be a Supes fanboy, then i watched Dragonball and saw how much Goku was superiror to Supes back then

Good thing the anime isn't canon. sly

Originally posted by nij-ayias
[B]excuse me, try to be polite please.

I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter.

my point is most of you didn't show any scans proving superman's traveling speed and his agility are equal, only assumptions. show me were supes stated that or shown, not assume.

The fact that he can fight people while travelling at those speeds.

The fact that he can move such long distances in such a short time through complicated areas while avoiding every obstacle along the way.

If his travelling speed was so much greater than his reaction speed, he would be bumping into things all the time, and he wouldn't be able to track or percieve, let alone attack or defend against, opponents moving at the same speeds. This is a very simple concept that has been explained to you over and over again by many people. What don't you understand about it?

1.)cell could destroy solar system, stated as cell was concentrating his energy.

He was bluffing. The attack only created a small crater in the ground.

Once the energy is "concentrated", then where does it go? You can't make energy just disappear by forcing it into a smaller area. If anything, that would make it more volatile and likely to do more damage. If it had flown into space or straight through the earth and out the other side, then I could maybe buy it, but it didn't, it exploded right on the earth and created just a small crater.

2.)goku is fighting faster than light at ginyu arc, stated as baata can't hit goku.

So if someone can't hit someone else, that automatically makes them FTL? 😆

I guess whenever I have trouble swatting a fly, the fly is moving faster than light!

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try

It can if the character is known to be an egotistical braggart that overrates himself all the time, and the statement itself is contradicted by the actual events that occur. Have you ever heard of "hyperbole"?

science does not apply in fictional accounts such as this. Can a person blast a planet into oblivion or move it in another galaxy? Obviously not. It’s already proven the fictions are made to be not scientific and they are hardly logical. It cannot be proven by formulas, logic, equations and opinions unless it was clearly stated.

fictions contain plot holes, and they are completely irrelevant to formulas and science.

It's impossible to analyze fiction objectively without applying science. Just because certain elements of that fictional universe defy certain physical laws doesn't mean that science doesn't apply at all. If it didn't, planets, gravity, molecules, atoms, energy, etc. wouldn't even be able to exist in those universes, as physics is what describes how they exist. Furthermore, you can't just say that since some things in a given fictional continuity defy the laws of physics, you can ignore science whenever you want to make up any random bullshit. If so, I could pull that too. For example, I could say that the energy required to destroy a planet in the DBU is only equal to the energy required to run a ceiling fan in the DCU. Or I could say that planets in the DBU are the size of marbles and all the characters are the size of atoms.

You can only ignore the laws of physics in a vs. debate when a certain fictional entity is known to be able to defy those specific laws in a certain way. For example, if you're debating Star Wars, you can't say that the Millenium Falcon can't go faster than light due to the laws of physics, since there's in - universe proof that it can. However, if someone tried to say that the Millenium Falcon can grow to 10 times its original size, and then tried to justify that by saying "Star Wars breaks the laws of physics, so you can't say it can't", that's a fallacious argument.

Are you getting it now?

it's fact as long as it was stated or shown in the comics.

Characters can lie or be wrong about things, you know.

If everything any DB character ever stated is true, then I guess Mr. Satan is the strongest fighter in the DBZverse.

Crossovers usually beat logic, so equations cannot prove who is stronger.

This isn't a crossover, this is a vs. debate. And in a debate, logic is essential.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
[B]did gohan stopped cell ? yes or no

stop assuming if you cant remember.

Yeah, he "stopped" Cell by throwing his own attack at him.

As I said, that's like trying to stop a forest fire by dousing it with napalm.

I assume you at least took basic arithmetic in school, so consider this:

Let's give Cell's attack an arbitrary value of 10.

Now let's give Gohan's attack a value of 11 (since it barely beat Cell's).

Now what do you get when you add 10 + 11? 21, not 0 as you are claiming.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

So then:

- Mr. Satan is the strongest fighter in the DBU
- The Dragon Radar is really a clock
- All of the ki attacks and flying the DBZ fighters do are really just tricks and light shows done with smoke and mirrors
- Every random villain who said he would kill Goku actually did kill Goku

All of those things were stated by characters in the manga, so that makes them true, according to your logic. 🙄

fighting and traveling are different.

Not when they're being done at the same time

agility and speed are different.

See above

why would gohan hurry?

Because he wanted to get to school on time? 🙄

since when does it stated that dragon ball are not lighspeed.

Negative proof fallacy. You can't assume they are because it doesn't state they aren't. You have to prove they are.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

Facts are the events that actually happen, not what the characters say (which is a less reliable form of evidence).

Not to mention, no one in DBZ was ever stated to be lightspeed (except for IT, which is teleportation, not speed).

Don't bother bringing up that photoshopped scan again, I already posted the real one.

stop assuming.............

LOL IRONY

i know but, is that agility?

did you read what i post.

It is when he fought Superboy Prime in Infinite Crisis, since he was fighting while flying intergalactic distances.

goku proved he was lightspeed when fighting baata.

No he didn't. That was a mistranslation/photoshop.

a fact can’t be countered, the comic states something so you can’t go and argue it can’t no matter how hard you try.

Unless it's a mistranslation/photoshop and I posted the real scan, which I did.

stop assuming...

You're the only one assuming things.

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Superman is a *** but thats not the reason he is fail and will lose to Goku. I used to be a Supes fanboy, then i watched Dragonball and saw how much Goku was superiror to Supes back then

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Bur he's not superior.

Originally posted by Soljer
What kind of cheese?

Endless mike don't you get tired of debating with 14 year olds? You would make more progress hitting your head off a brick wall.

Originally posted by Kento
Well Gokou is superior in some things. Energy beams for one and Martial Arts for two. Not that it would help him but.

Yeh Goku wins this guys. The only DC character i see even stalematin with him is Spectre but only if Goku fights as a SS2 anything more is overkill

Originally posted by Sarutobi700
Yeh Goku wins this guys. The only DC character i see even stalematin with him is Spectre but only if Goku fights as a SS2 anything more is overkill