Originally posted by nij-ayiasBreaking the full capacity rule again. It doesn't matter how rare it is. Only that he can do it, which he has proven to do on numerous occasions.
i said i know they can do it, but how rare and prove me that it's faster than his travel speed.
Slothful induction fallacy. Prove that its slower.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sure was.
so why did cell evolved if the computer was lying after all
Originally posted by Creshosk
Slothful induction fallacy.I already provided evidence. Cell was lying. He lied frequently. talking about how he'd be undefeatable and all and then was defeated. It was merely trash talking.
I realize English isn't your strong suit, but deal with it. Cell was a lying braggart. You have no evidence that attack COULD destroy the solar system.
where is your proof?
your statement is not enough proof even your so called logic is not canon sources.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yes, lets adress that shall we? Gohan countered Cell's energy, in order to do that Gohan needed to pull down the same amount. which means there was enough energy being expended to destroy the solar system twice. Now I'll accept that Gohan was controlling his ki to not destroy the planet. But Cell was certainly not trying to preserve it. According to the law of conservation of energy, energy is never destroyed so all that energy had to go somewhere. and where did it go? It made a crater. And that was it.
i said gohan stop cell, is that hard for you to understand?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Face facts bud, Cell was lying again.Deny it all you want, but logically speaking he did NOT have enough energy to destroy the solar system. Why would he? BEcause he said so?
it was you denying it, show me scans where cell lied with no reason.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Fine I can destroy the solar system. Now you have to believe me because I said I can. I have the same evidence to support my claim that cell has to support his. 0
reverse psychology isn't the answer to prove me cell was lying, obviously your speculating.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No you didn't, you showed me a mistranslation. And yes Superman is faster than light speed.
show me the original then
Originally posted by Creshosk
Sham distinction. Quit trolling. I'm not off topic discussing superman's speed or Goku's capabilities.You have no proof that Superman fights slower than he can travel, especially since evidence of him fighting fast was already provided.
you're the one trolling because you have no proofs/scans that will prove me wrong.
i'm only asking if supes has a lighspeed agility but all your evidence are logic which is non-canon sources.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Breaking the full capacity rule again. It doesn't matter how rare it is. Only that he can do it, which he has proven to do on numerous occasions.Slothful induction fallacy. Prove that its slower.
i'm not breaking the rule,
i'm comparing rare against regular,
it's CIS which is allowed.
it does matter if it's rare because it falls under the category of experience.
CIS plays a good part of the story, so you can't deny it.
prove me wrong by scans not by going out of comics topic.
i'll be back, i hope you will post an original manga scan when i return
Originally posted by nij-ayias
i said i know they can do it, but how rare and prove me that it's faster than his travel speed.
rarity doesnt suppose inexperience... its like having sex or riding a bike... just because you havent done it in a while doesnt mean you dont remember how to do it...
and its been shown on panel him punching enemies faster than they can react, even though they're arguably as fast as he is... he did it during doomsday rex, he has done it to bizarro, and the imperiex probes were fast enough to hit the flash (who can actually move faster than superman). its all in the superman respect thread.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasCell's statement is not enough proof.
so why did cell evolved if the computer was lying after allwhere is your proof?
your statement is not enough proof even your so called logic is not canon sources.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasI'm sure you've read the manga. Anytime Cell says something that isn't true.
i said gohan stop cell, is that hard for you to understand?[]/quote] WHich doesn't explain where the rest of the energy went. Is logic that hard for you to understand?[QUOTE=9849441]Originally posted by nij-ayias
it was you denying it, show me scans where cell lied with no reason.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasI know you suck at English. But I gave you dthe definition of what a lie is. Anytime Cell said something that wasn't true, he was lieing.
reverse psychology isn't the answer to prove me cell was lying, obviously your speculating.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasYou're the one who's trolling by breaking the rules.
you're the one trolling because you have no proofs/scans that will prove me wrong.
Originally posted by nij-ayias🙄 yes, Logic is non-canon... No I'm sorry that's just stupid.
i'm only asking if supes has a lighspeed agility but all your evidence are logic which is non-canon sources.
Originally posted by nij-ayiasYes you are. its not the CIS rule. its the full capacity rule. Is it really that hard for you to understand?
i'm not breaking the rule,i'm comparing rare against regular,
it's CIS which is allowed.
it does matter if it's rare because it falls under the category of experience.
CIS plays a good part of the story, so you can't deny it.
prove me wrong by scans not by going out of comics topic.
i'll be back, i hope you will post an original manga scan when i return
You cannot say that a peroson will not or cannot do something they are proven to be able to do.
He's proven he can do it, therefore it is viable that he can and will do it. To say other wise is to break the rule. What's so hard to understand about that? Rarity has no bearing on ability.
So yes, you are breaking the rules and thus you are trolling.
Interesting... So you want it to go how they fight on a daily basis? Can you name someone Goku has beaten on his own without help from friends and relatives that he wasn't much stronger than?
Piccolo D
Boss Rabbit
Tien
Piccolo
Freeza
General Blue
Tao Pai Pi
Krillin
Nappa (would have been a Goku win)
The Entire Red Ribbin Army
Yakon (your man Mike said they were on a comparable scale)
Yamcha
Giran
Namu
Grandpa Gohan
etc etc etc
People who are concerned with judging his physical strength. Do you honestly think he gets a strength multiplier of quintillions of times in his SSJ states?
His Daizenshuu BASE battle power for the Freeza fight was 300,000
His SSJ state?
150,000,000.
You be the judge.
Another denial with no evidence, lovely. Show me a strength feat that comes close to Superman.
Being able to train in 400x's earth gravity.
Strawman. Do you have any actual evidence of how much his states increase his physical strength?
Nope, but I do know his battle power went from 300,000 to 150,000,000 by going SSJ the first time. 🙂
Superman fights far more powerful people, yet he holds back constantly and rarely ever goes all - out.
Question: Who's Superman beaten holding back that's more powerful then Kid Buu?
Answer: Nobody.
Yet it didn't go for days.
Because Vegeta stepped in and blew him away.
Yes you can, considering they often get exhausted after only a few minutes of fighting.
Since when? I only see them huffing and puffing after expelling their planet destroying ki waves.
Superman would probably be huffing and puffing if he was capable of expelling this much power too.
😂
No they don't. They use a different type of energy, not ki, otherwise they would be able to sense them.
No they don't.
And it's only 'unlimited' in the sense that they'll never run out, so they have unlimited stamina.
Which is also unlimited ki.
What? When?
That's your whole argument. I said Gohan was unable to see Yamcha fight because he moved too fast and then you elaborated and argued your own elaboration.
Did you even read that fight?
Yep, I've read the entire manga.
They weren't moving around much, most of the fight was done in stationary positions with them ooing and ahhhing each other with what they could do.
Except they didn't.
Bzzzt wrong.
Most of it, actually.
Bzzzt wrong.
I wasn't talking about Babidi, I was talking about the people who were watching it through Babidi's telepathic broadcast.
I know, now show me someone following it with their own two.
The one you apparently haven't read at all.
Oh, you're talking about the one you made up.
The fact that he directly stated he was worried about him proves my point. And he had to transform to SSJ2 to defeat him, it wasn't accidental.
Yeah, his nonchalant attitude and having not thrown a punch the entire match really proves your point.
No it doesn't.
Now you're simply making things up. Yakon absorbed Goku's SSJ1 ki aura, so he needed to use SSJ2.
Goku only went SSJ1 so he could see the room. Stop using your special addition non-canon manga as proof.
Complete lie. The panel only showed 5 orbits, he claimed he had made dozens.
Panel showed 6 orbits. And he claimed he made dozens? I don't remember that.
Besides, single panels can show action over a long period of time,
Yeah, he just made special note to draw the vapor trails and have them take a ONE MINUTE NAP (that's right, he took a nap for one minute, so says Endless Mike) so Superman fans around the globe can ignore what's in their face in a vs topic argument.
Good stuff.
nowhere was the length of the nap or the flight stated.
Then what makes your bias filled piece of garbage argument any more correct then my logical inference based on what's in my face?
The only thing
Stop making things up.
Mr. Pot Meet Mr. Kettle, good job, now I want you to retract any statements that say it took them most of their fusion time. You don't know how long they took
but you do know their is a panel that shows them flying around it several times in a second leaving a vapor trail in their wake.
(he took a whole minute just to fly to another location on earth).
And Gotenks arrogance had nothing to do with him taking his sweet time when it's shown he can go around the world several times in a panel?
So it proves their speed is nowhere near Superman's speed.
Only thing it proves is that you're a selective reader who's main argument is to undercut DBZ at any chance you get.
There would be absolutely no reason for him to travel so slowly.
Just like how there would be absolutely no reason for Superman to get tagged by General Eiling when his fighting speed is lightspeed+ and he stated to Steel to go all out.
Hmmmmm.
You mean 29 minutes.
"nowhere was the length of the nap or the flight stated." - Endless Mike.
Hello biased liar.
Red Herring/non - sequiter. I was addressing your fallacy that the fact that someone can't see someone else means their speed is so amazingly great. Quantify it or it means nothing.
Way to point out a fallacy by comparing dazzling humans to fighters who all dwarf someone who could move 1,000,000 km in a day in the speed department, really top notch debating there.
And FYI, Goku took 2 days to get across Snake Way, and he cut a lot of corners doing so.
1 day.
24 hours.
Oh and Goku cut no corners, 1,000,000 km is the distance between KK and the look out. Unless you believe Yemma is a moron and didn't take into consideration that Goku can fly when he explained it to him.
That doesn't mean Goku can do everything he can do. Goku has never used the dodonpa, for example.
Who cares about techniques? This is strength. By all means, argue that Tao Pai Pi is physically stronger then Goku at the end of the series, great way to win brownie points with your butt-buddy mod friends.
Yes they do. You are aware that light takes 8 minutes to reach earth from the sun, right?
So? He traveled from Earth to the sun and then fought Wonder Woman at human speeds. Your point? Can I say Goku used instantaneous movement to get from Earth to New Namek as a argument for his fight speed now?
No actual arguments? Concession accepted.
😆 😆 😆
It's true. He's had his powers all his life, he has no idea how to fight without them.
😆 😆 😆
So I can use their speed, durability, etc. feats as well? If you don't say yes, you're not being consistent.
Yes you can. By all means, if you find a PG durability feat that dwarfs Superman's top stuff (since this is your arguing style, only top feats count) use it.
Superman doesn't need to "speedblitz" all the time.
Then why is he speedblitzing Goku?
You only think DBZ characters "speedblitz" all the time because the manga is drawn with blurry speed lines and afterimages, which is just art style.
And the anime shows them speedblitzing all the time.
As for skill, you seem to define it in a completely different way than everyone else (how fancy it looks and what people say about it as opposed to the actual results it gets).
As opposed to your taking shots to the face = more skill then parrying and dodging blows.
Real life = Fictional life
Lol moment for an argument?
BTW, forum rules:
*clicks Superman board*
*sees no forum rules*
*points and laughs*
Oh, but going by your rules,
No, going by your rules, Piccolo and Roshi can not destroy a moon. Going by my rules, Freeza's mainschtick is that he destroyed a planet which was 10x's the size of Earth because he felt threatened by the race (towards the end, that was the whole point of the storyline, avenging the race of saiyans) and Piccolo, Goku, Gohan and company were written more powerful then this established planet buster therefore
Piccolo >>> Earth.
I don't know why you're trying to impose your poorly put together rules with mine.
Except he actually does that, if you would read his comics and not just make biased claims.
Biased claims would be Superman goes into every fight blitzing and will beat Goku based on a speedblitz when this rarely occurs.
Oh and then linking to some other forums rules to win a lost point.
Such as? No one ever did an exchange quite like that again.
Yamcha and Tien moving so fast Gohan is unable to follow.
Goku hitting Rekuum 3x's and nobody seeing it but Vegeta.
Goku moving so fast he appeared still to two of the fastest beings in the Universe (Jeece and Baata).
Freeza's ki beams moving so fast they are invisible to everyone but Vegeta.
Freeza's dodging everyone's blows by seemingly cracking his neck.
That showing wasn't even 1% of lightspeed (1 minute to get to Buu's house, let's be generous and assume it was on the exact opposite side of the earth, so around 20,000 kilometers in one minute = 333 1/3rd km/second = approximately 0.1% lightspeed.
Lol more bad math based on made up numbers
PS:
"nowhere was the length of the nap or the flight stated." - Endless Mike.
Hello biased liar.
BTW, how do you define an "appearance"? Every manga chapter he's been in? In that case, it's been a lot more than 10.
Yeah by a lot more you mean you probably mean an extra 2-5.
WOMG stop the presses
And this whole method is flawed, you can't just ignore high - end showings since they don't happen all the time
So instead, you only focus on the high end stuff since it rarely happens and Superman surviving a attack from Imperiex came up when he was downed by Dr. Light?
Good stuff.
Biased, liar.
Using your method, some random one - shot villain that appeared and owned the JLA is thus practically unbeatable since he has no low showings.
Why else do you think Shaggy Man is a tier above Juggernaut in the comics list?
H/P DD is higher then Gog Wars Doomsday?
Etc etc etc.
You expect me to believe that if Superman doesn't use all of his powers all of the time, he doesn't really have those powers? That's just retarded.
What's retarded is going into a fight thinking Superman's going to always operate at his high end and use every power to the fullest, despite 20 years of showings where he does the contrary.
If you had bothered to read the OP, you would know that they were fighting on an empty planet, and thus he wouldn't have to worry about hurting anyone with the side effects.
Oh so he goes light speed, knocks the planet out of orbit, and kills Goku instead?
Yes, let's take an obviously non - serious comedy scene and ignore the fact that it's completely contradicted by literally everything that came afterwards (including one of the major plot points of the Frieza saga).
Oh, you mean the instance where Freeza's says Goku will die from SUFFOCATION and not the harsh conditions of space? Sounds a lot like Superman before he learned to breathe in space.
Show me a saiyan being unable to survive a fight in space (which is irrelevant to Goku, instantaneous movement).
Wrong, read the forum rules.
What forum rules? You talking about the stuff that only applies in the versus boards?
Which is bullshit. You can't just arbitrarily declare that he won't use 99.9999999% of his power and techniques that he has proven to have.
And has proven to rarely use.
Except he does fight that way
Every one out of maybe 100 showings.
But you claim he can't/won't just because it doesn't happen in every single comic he's ever been in.
No, that would be you. My claim is that because it RARELY happens in the comics it will RARELY happen in a Goku fight.
But keep fan wanking S-Man.
Except we know in the DBU this stuff is true, because it is explicitly stated/shown. Your ridiculous nonsensical theory is never borne out.
What theory? You're the one with the theory's, I'm just pointing and laughing at your sad use of real world logic in a manga like DB to prove a versus topic point.
How is it even remotely possible to compare characters in a vs. fight without using "real - world logic"?
Well let's see, first you read the books with the characters (something, I sorely suggest you to start doing), then you pick which one would win based on what they show you on average over the course of the book. Simple stuff really.
Yes, it says their durability against ki attacks is greater than their durability against physical attacks.
That makes no sense, your real world logic dictates that Ki attacks are just a unstable kinetic punch. Basically if you can take the heat, it's nothing more then a punch.
When he fought Frieza. I'd post the scan, but as I said, it's on my other computer
Okay, I'll not take your word for it. Though Krillin isn't really relevant considering his D-bility is a lot lower. 🙂
He was just mad that that guy suggested that his son might be dead.
Yeah sure, and I guess Freeza's comment about Goku dying in space would be hyperbole too, correct?
It was never even shown how he destroyed planet Vegeta in the manga
So? In the anime it shows him blowing it away with a ki bomb, I see no reason why that couldn't be the method.
Gotenks flew around the world all in a second,
Glad you agree.
or that the pillar Tao threw was made of metal,
Glad you agree.
or that DBZ characters are as fast as Superman because the art is drawn all blurry,
That's a stupid statement.
or that Krillin and Roshi were as fast as the Flash....
That's a stupid statement.
oh wait, you said all of those things.
Never said Krillin and Roshi were as fast as Flash or DBZ characters are faster then Superman because of blurry lines.
That's all you.
And do the techniques in Dragonball even remotely resemble what you learned?
LOL it's fiction.
Oh, forgive me! I wasn't aware that statements determine reality.
😂
You said they played 3 games of janken when they only played 1 1/2
😂
So petty.
How do you determine in a manga if someone blinked or not?
It happened in a flash, in the anime it was just a darkened scene indicating a blink of the eye. Lol at you eventually calling an elaboration of the scene through use of animation filler.
The announcer clearly said "all of this in one second?" and Krillin nodded yes, to confirm. It doesn't get any clearer than that.
One second being a general term for really fast.
Which immediately throws doubt on all of your statements.
Yeah, I guess, if you spend every waking moment of your life reading comics and manga and believe playing 3 games of janken vs 1 1/2 is a HUGE DEAL. 😂
Point out where I have been dishonest.
Your whole argument is based on dishonesty, created numbers and undercutting abilities. Oh and making up quotes 🙂.
"LA LA LA I DON'T LIKE WHAT THE FACTS SAY SO I'LL JUST INSULT AND MAKE FUN OF THE GUY AND HOPE NO ONE REALIZES THAT I HAVE NO REBUTTAL".
😂 @ facts. More like, horseshit. Get your horseshit off my computer screen, boy.
And you have still not even attempted to point out an error in my math
Your entire equation is based on random numbers you pulled out your ass. Wtf.
Burden of proof is on you.
Your power level is the some of all your abilities, how effective your battle prowess is, your threat level. Prove speed isn't relevant to any of those.
Once out of 500 showings? I read his comics routinely, and he does this kind of stuff all the time.
Yeah in your fan made, Endless Mike comics, in my comics, (the real stuff, AC, Superman and JL) he rarely operates at the level you're implying.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Look I agree that supes would win but some dudes on here have to admit that Cell could have destroyed a solar system. Akira wouldnt have wrote it if it wasnt true guys.
Don't worry, it's only true if it under cuts DB.
For instance
Freeza saying Goku would die in space = 100% true.
FREEZA said it so it MUST BE TRUE.
Cell saying he'd blow away a solar system = 100% false.
CELL said it so it MUST BE LIES.
Because Freeza is a more reliable source then Cell.
Originally posted by Joey StacksExcept Gokou knows he can't breath in space and the blast Cell and Gohan used only shook the Earth with their combined powers. And really it's not like they know what it'll take to destroy a solar system while it's pretty easy to know it you can breath in space or not.
Don't worry, it's only true if it under cuts DB.For instance
Freeza saying Goku would die in space = 100% true.
FREEZA said it so it MUST BE TRUE.
Cell saying he'd blow away a solar system = 100% false.
CELL said it so it MUST BE LIES.
Because Freeza is a more reliable source then Cell.
Originally posted by Joey StacksProve every ssj transformation is the same? And prove that the daizenshuu actually says that.
His Daizenshuu BASE battle power for the Freeza fight was 300,000His SSJ state?
150,000,000.
You be the judge.
Being able to train in 400x's earth gravity.
Nope, but I do know his battle power went from 300,000 to 150,000,000 by going SSJ the first time. 🙂
Question: Who's Superman beaten holding back that's more powerful then Kid Buu?
Answer: Nobody.
No they don't.
Which is also unlimited ki.
No it doesn't.
Panel showed 6 orbits. And he claimed he made dozens? I don't remember that.
Yeah, he just made special note to draw the vapor trails and have them take a ONE MINUTE NAP (that's right, he took a nap for one minute, so says Endless Mike) so Superman fans around the globe can ignore what's in their face in a vs topic argument.
Good stuff.
Then what makes your bias filled piece of garbage argument any more correct then my logical inference based on what's in my face?
The only thing
Mr. Pot Meet Mr. Kettle, good job, now I want you to retract any statements that say it took them most of their fusion time. You don't know how long they took
but you do know their is a panel that shows them flying around it several times in a second leaving a vapor trail in their wake.
And Gotenks arrogance had nothing to do with him taking his sweet time when it's shown he can go around the world several times in a panel?
Only thing it proves is that you're a selective reader who's main argument is to undercut DBZ at any chance you get.
Just like how there would be absolutely no reason for Superman to get tagged by General Eiling when his fighting speed is lightspeed+ and he stated to Steel to go all out.
Gokou never trained in 400x's Earth gravity...you're point?
Hmm it's a good thing Superman has beaten stronger people than Buu even if he isn't holding back while Gokou couldn't even hope to defeat Kid Buu.
The androidds don't have ki. They have unlimited energy but they can't be felt by anybody.
Actually the panel shows 10 orbits and then the next panel he is landing and then the next panel Piccolo appears. He says he took a nap but there is no proof except Gotenks word....The same person who said he had nothing left at ssj just to spook Piccolo, and thought at base level he could take Fat Buu and Super Buu. Yea he's a real reliable since he exaggerates everything.
Gotenks sped off just as fast from Piccolo as he did first time to travel around the world to go fight Majin Buu...yet he supposedly took his merry old time when he's so cocky?
Originally posted by Joey StacksShow me in the manga a saiyan actually being in space and fighting? And I'm sure Gokou would know if he couldn't survive in space or not. Doesn't take a genius to know that if you have to come up for air in water you aren't going to survive in space for that long.
Show me a saiyan being unable to survive a fight in space (which is irrelevant to Goku, instantaneous movement).
Originally posted by Joey Stacks
Don't worry, it's only true if it under cuts DB.For instance
Freeza saying Goku would die in space = 100% true.
FREEZA said it so it MUST BE TRUE.
Cell saying he'd blow away a solar system = 100% false.
CELL said it so it MUST BE LIES.
Because Freeza is a more reliable source then Cell.
DBZ villians are so honest.. I mean look at their infinite truths:
Let's see...
Freeza: I'll rip you to shreds
Freeza: You'll never beat me!
Freeza: I'm the strongest in the universe.
Vegeta: I'm the strongest in the universe.
Baata: I'm the fastest in the universe.
Ginyu: No one's stronger than me, except for freeza.
Piccolo: I've done it - no matter how strong he is, it doesn't matter, I just obtained ULTIMATE POWER.
Freeza(to trunks): For us to get rid of a piece of trash like you is a piece of cake.
King Cold (about Trunks): Freeza! You did it. He was no match for us.
Kind Cold(also to Trunks): You definitely can't beat me!
Vegeta(to 16, 17, and 18): I'm going to grind you to bits!
17: There can't be anyone in this world strong enough to fight me.
Cell: When I achieve my perfect form, I will be the most powerful being imaginable!
17: I'm the ultimate Warrior.
Cell: I'm impossible to kill
Cell: No one can stand against me!
Cell: If I had my perfect form, I'd be perfect in every way! I wouldn't lose to anyone!
Cell(to Gohan): Even if you lived for a hundred years, you'd never be able to kill me.
Cell(to Gohan): You can't possibly believe you could beat me.
Cell(to Gohan): There's no way I can lose to you!
Cell(to Gohan): I won't let you win!
Cell: I've gathered enough ki not only to destroy the planet, but the whole solar system!
Cell: I'm going to finish you now.
Pipi: Babi-di is on the bottom, but you'll have to get through me. You'll die here.
Dabura: If you use Yakon, they'll be defeated!
Dabura: Yakon should be strong enough to beat them easily!
Dabura: I'll finish them off.
Dabura: No one can beat me with strength.
Buu: No one could be stronger than I!
Buu: They're no match for me! Even if they Fuse!
Buu: Super Vegetto? So what?
Buu: Do you actually think you have a chance?
Buu: I won't lose to someone like you!
Buu: Haha! You're helpless.
It's all truthful, Goku died long ago when the first person said they'd beat him. Oh, wait...
Time for a quick English lesson:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/lie_2?view=uk
noun 1 an intentionally false statement. 2 a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/52/L0155200.html
lie2, equivocate, fib, palter, prevaricate These verbs mean to evade or depart from the truth:
a witness who lied under oath; didn't equivocate about her real purpose; fibbed to escape being scolded; paltering with an irate customer; didn't prevaricate but answered honestly.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lie&r=66
http://www.infoplease.com/dictionary/lie
lie1 /laɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, lied, ly·ing.
–noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
–verb (used without object) 5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.
–verb (used with object) 7. to bring about or affect by lying (often used reflexively): to lie oneself out of a difficulty; accustomed to lying his way out of difficulties.
—Idioms8. give the lie to, a. to accuse of lying; contradict.
b. to prove or imply the falsity of; belie: His poor work gives the lie to his claims of experience.
9. lie in one's throat or teeth, to lie grossly or maliciously: If she told you exactly the opposite of what she told me, she must be lying in her teeth. Also, lie through one's teeth.
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[Origin: bef. 900; (n.) ME; OE lyge; c. G Lüge, ON lygi; akin to Goth liugn; (v.) ME lien, OE léogan (intransit.); c. G lügen, ON ljûga, Goth liugan]
—Synonyms 1. prevarication, falsification. See falsehood. 5. prevaricate, fib.
—Antonyms 1. truth.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=lie
lie (v.1)
"speak falsely," O.E. legan, ligan, earlier leogan (class II strong verb; past tense leag, pp. logen), from P.Gmc. *leugan (cf. O.N. ljuga, Dan. lyve, O.Fris. liaga, Ger. lügen, Goth. liugan), from PIE base *leugh- "to tell a lie."
lie (n.)
"an untruth," O.E. lyge, from P.Gmc. *lugin (cf. O.N. lygi, Dan. l¸gn, O.Fris. leyne, Ger. Lüge, Goth. liugn). To give the lie to "accuse directly of lying" is attested from 1593. Lie-detector first recorded 1909.
Also note:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=trash+talk
Main Entry: trash talk
Function: noun
Date: 1981
: disparaging, taunting, or boastful comments especially between opponents trying to intimidate each other
— trash–talk \ˈtrash-ˌtȯk\ verb
— trash–talk·er \-ˌtȯ-kər\ noun
Are we dealing with photoshopped scans again? I already debunked this shit ealier on the same thread. The least you could do is read it.
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5206/burterspeedclaimrn3.gif
^This is the real scan. It doesn't say anything about being faster than light.
And the reason Vegeta's Final Flash didn't destroy the Earth was because IT FLEW INTO SPACE. This is obvious to anyone who read it.
http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vegetathreatensplanet4hz8.gif
