Originally posted by Endless Mike
Frieza is a guy....and in the manga (canon), the only astronomical objects ever destroyed were:
- The moon by Master Roshi
- The moon again by Picollo (after Kami brought it back)
- Planet Vegeta by Frieza (off - panel)
- Planet Namek by Frieza (via a chain reaction)
- King Kai's planet by Cell (via self - destruction)
- "Several hundred planets" by Kid Buu (off - panel, over a period of several years)
- The Earth by Kid Buu
Questions here:
Is Superman more dense than a planet?
What is your opinion about Superman, will he resist this attacks without damage or will it knock him down, make him back it up, will be open to receive more attacks?
Ah and is being long but i have one question about the speed of Goku in the second tournament, you calculate that when Goku was invisible to Roshi and Krillin in the second tournament, he was 1/3 of the speed of sound, using 2, 3 meters of distance and the perception of the human eye.
Then tell me, if that was Goku speed in the second tournament, why Roshi could not see him?, remember that Roshi could catch bullets shoot in his back after the first tournament, that make your calculation wrong.(bullets are faster than sound, right?)
and one last question, lets say you are right, Goku speed as kid is 1/3 of the speed of sound in the second tournament, then
If he adapt this speed on earth to 10 g(Kai planet). , that would mean when he come back to normal gravity his speed will be 1/3 speed of Sound x 10, right?
what is your opinion?
Last, but not least, Happy new year.
Déjà Vu
On Gokus side (or DB side) we have some wild speculations and funny calculations. On Supermans side we have an 60+ years long list of feats.... good and bad.
If you take every lowfeat of Superman, THEN he will loose against Goku BUT if you take his best feats (like you use to do it with Goku) then Superman would take every DB cha,r from classic till GT, at once.
Anyway, this will never be "officially" solved because of fanboism on BOTH sides and lack of insight.
😉
Originally posted by Vvendeta
Questions here:
Is Superman more dense than a planet?
Considering that the average density of the earth is only 5,515.3 kg/m³, I'd say yes.
What is your opinion about Superman, will he resist this attacks without damage or will it knock him down, make him back it up, will be open to receive more attacks?
Which attacks are you talking about?
Ah and is being long but i have one question about the speed of Goku in the second tournament, you calculate that when Goku was invisible to Roshi and Krillin in the second tournament, he was 1/3 of the speed of sound, using 2, 3 meters of distance and the perception of the human eye.Then tell me, if that was Goku speed in the second tournament, why Roshi could not see him?, remember that Roshi could catch bullets shoot in his back after the first tournament, that make your calculation wrong.(bullets are faster than sound, right?)
That calculation applies only to that particular feat, since many people try to claim it's much faster than it actually is.
and one last question, lets say you are right, Goku speed as kid is 1/3 of the speed of sound in the second tournament, then
If he adapt this speed on earth to 10 g(Kai planet). , that would mean when he come back to normal gravity his speed will be 1/3 speed of Sound x 10, right?
Wrong. It doesn't scale like that. Not to mention that by that point in the manga we have more quantifiable speed feats (namely, crossing Snake Way in 2 days, although he did cut several corners).
what is your opinion?Last, but not least, Happy new year.
My opinion on what, exactly?
Originally posted by Vvendeta1. Yes.
Questions here:
Is Superman more dense than a planet?What is your opinion about Superman, will he resist this attacks without damage or will it knock him down, make him back it up, will be open to receive more attacks?
Ah and is being long but i have one question about the speed of Goku in the second tournament, you calculate that when Goku was invisible to Roshi and Krillin in the second tournament, he was 1/3 of the speed of sound, using 2, 3 meters of distance and the perception of the human eye.
Then tell me, if that was Goku speed in the second tournament, why Roshi could not see him?, remember that Roshi could catch bullets shoot in his back after the first tournament, that make your calculation wrong.(bullets are faster than sound, right?)
and one last question, lets say you are right, Goku speed as kid is 1/3 of the speed of sound in the second tournament, then
If he adapt this speed on earth to 10 g(Kai planet). , that would mean when he come back to normal gravity his speed will be 1/3 speed of Sound x 10, right?
what is your opinion?Last, but not least, Happy new year.
2. If a high powered DBZ blast were to hit Supes, and he was floating or sumthin, he would be knocked back I think, but not badly harmed.
3. Goku's punches won't do jack tho.
4. I would say you are right on this one, Roshi can see bullets, which>sound, but couldn't see Goku(despite the big difference in size), so he>bullets as well.
5. Don't know.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Déjà VuOn Gokus side (or DB side) we have some wild speculations and funny calculations. On Supermans side we have an 60+ years long list of feats.... good and bad.
If you take every lowfeat of Superman, THEN he will loose against Goku BUT if you take his best feats (like you use to do it with Goku) then Superman would take every DB cha,r from classic till GT, at once.
Anyway, this will never be "officially" solved because of fanboism on BOTH sides and lack of insight.
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I agree, I learn to see that Goku lack of Feats is his doom, but also i get to see Superman soporters to use this to the point that it makes it look like Roshi´s Kamehame ha and Goku kamehame ha have a little or not diference in power.
Also I learn to see people that are claiming that Goku can destroy a galaxy not using any logic what so ever.
In this particular forum, there is even rules to be apply, which if someone neutral analize those rules, those are make to put the high feats of Superman, and these "rules" make Goku SSJ 3 as powerful as his SSJ 1, I realize that no fan can convince another tough, and it will never be "oficcially" solved ´til the day Toriyama and DC make an official one.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Considering that the average density of the earth is only 5,515.3 kg/m³, I'd say yes.Which attacks are you talking about?
That calculation applies only to that particular feat, since many people try to claim it's much faster than it actually is.
Wrong. It doesn't scale like that. Not to mention that by that point in the manga we have more quantifiable speed feats (namely, crossing Snake Way in 2 days, although he did cut several corners).
My opinion on what, exactly?
Argh I dislike that in this forum we don´t get to see the previous quote, only the last one, I was refering to the attacks list you made.
The calculation you made is wrong at the only one who can see Goku is Tien, not even Krillin and Roshi could notice, Tien and Roshi have diferent perception and sight than normal humans.
Your opinion on the scalation gravity=increase of speed; and is only one day, not 2, Goku comeback a 1000000 Km. in one day. and then aply this new speed to train in 100 G, without counting the power up from his battle with Vegeta, but i know you will say there is no quantification.
New Question how dense is Superman then, any number or scan that say this?
And how many joules will a planet explosion have?
Is a planet explosion hotter than the sun core?
King Kai is calculating here that Goku would make it in 2 days, Goku is saying that that will make it one day late, but he just make it in 1 day and 4 hours, using the 3 hours that Vegeta and Nappa wait + 1 hour of battle between the saiyans and the earlings, so that means that Goku was faster than King Kai calculations, and he did 1000 000 Km in 28 to 29 hours aprox. And that is his speed before his battle with Vegeta, before his 100 G training, before his power ups, and before his SSJ transformation.
It seems like every two weeks we get a new goofy that actaully think a DBZ character can beat current Superman. It's stupid. Are people now arguing about IF Goku was as powerful as Superman now, it would be a better fight or are people still trying to weaken Supes by dismissing his feats so Goku can have a better shot at taking on Superman?
Originally posted by dvampiredont just generalize like that, he's making good points actually
It seems like every two weeks we get a new goofy that actaully think a DBZ character can beat current Superman. It's stupid. Are people now arguing about IF Goku was as powerful as Superman now, it would be a better fight or are people still trying to weaken Supes by dismissing his feats so Goku can have a better shot at taking on Superman?
Originally posted by Vvendeta
I agree, I learn to see that Goku lack of Feats is his doom, but also i get to see Superman soporters to use this to the point that it makes it look like Roshi´s Kamehame ha and Goku kamehame ha have a little or not diference in power.
Strawman argument.
Also I learn to see people that are claiming that Goku can destroy a galaxy not using any logic what so ever.
Good for you
In this particular forum, there is even rules to be apply, which if someone neutral analize those rules, those are make to put the high feats of Superman, and these "rules" make Goku SSJ 3 as powerful as his SSJ 1
Another strawman. Obviously SSJ3 is more powerful than SSJ1, the issue is that we don't know [b]how much more powerful.
I realize that no fan can convince another tough, and it will never be "oficcially" solved ´til the day Toriyama and DC make an official one. [/B]
Then why are you even wasting your time debating this?
Argh I dislike that in this forum we don´t get to see the previous quote, only the last one, I was refering to the attacks list you made.
Ah. Well Superman has taken attacks of that level and above and survived, often times coming out just fine.
The calculation you made is wrong at the only one who can see Goku is Tien, not even Krillin and Roshi could notice, Tien and Roshi have diferent perception and sight than normal humans.
Tien was able to track him because he had 3 eyes. That's not all that great of an improvement over 2.
Your opinion on the scalation gravity=increase of speed; and is only one day, not 2, Goku comeback a 1000000 Km. in one day. and then aply this new speed to train in 100 G, without counting the power up from his battle with Vegeta, but i know you will say there is no quantification.
It was 2 days.
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2482/snakeway1gs3.jpg
(Lucky for me I posted this scan earlier since I don't have access to the rest of my scans right now)
And furthermore, I said that the Snake Way feat was quantifiable. Stop lying about my claims.
New Question how dense is Superman then, any number or scan that say this?
Dense enough to get punched straight through the earth and be unharmed (proving he is denser than the earth).
And how many joules will a planet explosion have?
Depends on the size and mass of the planet.
Is a planet explosion hotter than the sun core?
Again, it depends on several factors. Heat is not the most dangerous thing at the sun's core though, the pressure is.
King Kai is calculating here that Goku would make it in 2 days, Goku is saying that that will make it one day late, but he just make it in 1 day and 4 hours, using the 3 hours that Vegeta and Nappa wait + 1 hour of battle between the saiyans and the earlings, so that means that Goku was faster than King Kai calculations, and he did 1000 000 Km in 28 to 29 hours aprox. And that is his speed before his battle with Vegeta, before his 100 G training, before his power ups, and before his SSJ transformation.*snip*
Except it was never stated what time he left compared to the time he arrived. 2 days is the only time directly stated.
And all the further powerups are completely unquantifiable for the purposes of determining speed.
Originally posted by Endless MikeI've been to the other thread they posted proof that at the least the power level fro mssj1 to sjj2 increases about 50 times cant say I looked at it that much though, I would also think it obvoius that gokus kamehameha stronger than roshis especially since only time roshi was a problem to gok uwas as a child
No he's not, he's making the same fallacies and arguments he did last time when I debunked them
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
I've been to the other thread they posted proof that at the least the power level fro mssj1 to sjj2 increases about 50 times cant say I looked at it that much though, I would also think it obvoius that gokus kamehameha stronger than roshis especially since only time roshi was a problem to gok uwas as a child
Is just logic, if there is only 2 or 3 times like some want to believe here than this there is no need to go Supersaiyan, Kaioken top was 20 times his normal, the supersaiyan plop is exagerated, but is what the author make it like that to finish the history in the Freeza saga, later for fan demand he continue the series, so the pattern it has to follow this first X 50 times, is up to your criteria.
To DVampire, You can think whatever you want, I don’t care, and your arrogance is show clear insulting me without reason, first the debate is open right? Second if you don’t want anybody to disagree with you close the thread.
raw energy for earth's explosion:
2.24E+39 or 2.24 x 10^33 megatons of TNT
Raw energy of the sun explosion
2.30E+48
Total energy in the center of Earth explosion
4.03E+46
Total energy of the sun explosion
1.14937E+15
This is a Science web page link:
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2001-11/1004909251.As.r.html
This is real physics, not comics physics, the explosion of a planet like Earth produce more power than the star like the sun, due more mass, density and the elements that compound the Earth are vast than the elements in the sun.
Therefore an attack like Kid Buu Destroying the Earth is greater than the center of the sun explosion, that is the power of Saiyans like Gohan, Vegeta and Goku.
You can say many things, but you always measure power with size, that is an incorrect approach.
ON THE SUBJECT OF SPEED, THIS IS AN OFICCIAL INTERVIEW I FOUND IN MFG FORUMS, A WELL RESPECTED AN NO BIAS DRAGONBALL SITE, THEY CONFIRM THIS INTERVIEW AS REAL AN TORIYAMA IS STATING THE SPEED OF DBZ AS LIGHT SPEED, (Excuse me for the capital letters but that is to make a difference of what I am saying an the interview) THE INTERVIEW IS MADE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUU SAGA.
Akira Toriyama Interview by Nirazaki Tihashiberi
Super Otaku Magazine Issue #297
Toriyama-san has agreed to answer some questions for us today. Much thanks to Toriyama-san after the craze on the Majin Buu period. (Do note that this was not a cover story, and thus, short).
Nirazaki: Many fans have given positive feedback over the Majin Buu period. The inclusion of fusion was an unexpected twist. What gave you the idea?
Toriyama-san: Well in order to have a villain with so much strength, you need someone around that can rival him. Majin Buu is incredibly strong. Its not easy to create a character that can keep up. So I thought of making the characters fuse to create new characters without taking the focus off the main characters.
Nirazaki: There have been many changes since the Saiya-jins came to earth. Do you ever think about the progress?
Toriyama-san: Yes I do. Doragonboru has come a long way. They went from running at super speed to moving at the speed of light! (Laughs)
Nirazaki: There was uproar over the rematch between Son Goku and Bejita. Were you planning this the entire time?
Toriyama-san: (Laughs) It was more of a crowd pleaser. Son Gokuu and Bejita didnt have the opportunity to fight in the Seru period, and with a new saga to start with, it would not be hard to work in that kind of battle.
Nirazaki: Youve been telling everyone how this is the end. Will Doragonboru really end after Majin Buu?
Toriyama-san: Yes. Ive put so much time on Doragonboru I cant do much else. I never expected Doragonboru to be this long in the first place. I think its been concluded on a high note. After all, if I had my way, Id of ended the manga after the Freeza period! (Laughs)
Nirazaki: You like to laugh about this a lot. Will parting with Doragonboru be difficult?
Toriyama-san: On one side, Im relieved. On the other side, its like seeing a child move away.
Nirazaki: I know that a lot of people want to hear more about fusion. With Gotenkusu now in the story, will he play that big of a role? And most of all, is he stronger than Son Goku himself?
Toriyama-san: Well I dont know yet. Ive planned some things with Gotenkusu, but he wont be the focus of the entire saga. Youll see as things develop. As for their strength, Gotenkusu is a little bit stronger, but you wouldnt notice a difference. Still, Son Goku will always be the most skilled martial artist! (Smiles) But Gotenkusu will not be the only person to go higher than son Goku.
Nirazaki: What does that last part mean?
Toriyama-san: Youll find out.
Nirazaki: Ill remember that! One last question.
Toriyama-san: Make it good, you wont get a second chance! Kidding, Ill see you again.
Nirazaki: Is Son Goku dead forever? He has come back before, but it looks like hes out of lives.
Toriyama-san: I dont want to shift the focus, so I have to keep certain things close to their roots. Son Goku will have his day, but right now its up to "Super Gotenkusu!".
NOW THE ARGUMENT OF NORMAL HUMANS CAN SEE HIM I CAN FIND IN ALL THE SUPERMAN VS DOOMSDAY TOO, LOIS LANE AND JIMMY OLSEN WERE COMENTING THE FIGHT, THEY WERE ALSO SEEN IN TV, ALSO IN SUPERMAN VS DOOMSDAY REX, LEX LUTHOR WAS WATCHING THE FIGHT IN A SCREEN, AND TRAP THEN EASY CLOSING THE ROOM AND ANPUTTING KRIPTONITE RADIATION, ALL THIS IS MAKE FOR THE SAKE OF THE HISTORY, DOES NOT CHANGE THAT IN THE STANDAR OF POWER, SUPERMAN IS 99% LIGHT SPEED IN EARTH AND SUPERIOR IN SPACE, AND GOKU HAVE LIGHT SPEED REFLEXES TO FIGHT, SENSE, FIND AND BLOCK SUPERMAN. ( but that will be only in minimum in his SSJ2-SSJ3 )
If you don’t want nobody to debate and disagree with you close this thread, and declare the winner, all I did is state concrete prove how underestimate is Goku in this forum.
This is the Daizenzu Dragonball Universe, the planet kai dimension is out of the Universe, approve by Toriyama
So the amount of energy of SSj3 Goku is vast enough to be a thread to Superman, well this is a personal opinion.
Raise my case.
