Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Wrong The explosion is due to the detonation of the entropy bomb that you seem to be ignoring.
Canon>>>>your opinion. 😛
Wrong, after the nova explodes it realeases a much greater amount of radiation.
Never can admit when your just wrong.
Planet Destroying>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Supes.
Originally posted by Unrivaled
Wrong, after the nova explodes it realeases a much greater amount of radiation.
Never can admit when your just wrong.
Planet Destroying>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Supes.
Supes survived a planet destroying attacks, even beyound them. Even when the evidence is right in front of you, you ignore it.
Superman > Supernova > planet destruction > Goku
Originally posted by chickenlover98
i like how your not denying your phenemenol. it looks AWESOME for you
😆
But I see his point....he got hit with the electromagentic radiation (light) but didn't get hit with the brunt of the supernova explosion...which is where the majority of the energy is...considering the bomb was part of that explosion that he did not get hit by.
Originally posted by UnrivaledNot in the scan, so prove it. 🙂
Wrong, after the nova explodes it realeases a much greater amount of radiation.
Originally posted by UnrivaledThat would be you. You have yet to say anything that's in the scan...
Never can admit when your just wrong.
Let's reveiw shall we?
Supes is already dealing with radiation.
He throws the entropy bomb into the sun-eater.
There's the 50x nova
Behind it is the radiation.
BEHIND the Nova.
Your statements are not in the scan.
Mine are directly from the scan.
If I'm wrong so is the scan. Since what I say is IN the scan.
If you're wrong, at least you're consistant.
Originally posted by dadudemon
😆But I see his point....he got hit with the electromagentic radiation (light) but didn't get hit with the brunt of the supernova explosion...which is where the majority of the energy is...considering the bomb was part of that explosion that he did not get hit by.
Glad someone can understand see/read scans!!!
Planet Destroing>>>>>>>>>>Million nukes>>>>>>>>>Obsidian agae Supes died from a physiocal beat down>>>>>>>>>>Gas Truck>>>>>>>Superman.
Originally posted by UnrivaledActually he like you are saying things not in the scan... so that's two of you who can't read.
Glad someone can understand see/read scans!!!
Planet Destroing>>>>>>>>>>Million nukes>>>>>>>>>Obsidian agae Supes died from a physiocal beat down>>>>>>>>>>Gas Truck>>>>>>>Superman.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Let's reveiw shall we?Supes is already dealing with radiation.
He throws the entropy bomb into the sun-eater.
There's the 50x nova
Behind it is the radiation.
BEHIND the Nova.
Your statements are not in the scan.
Mine are directly from the scan.
If I'm wrong so is the scan. Since what I say is IN the scan.
If you're wrong, at least you're consistant.
when a sun or suneater in this case is active it is constantly radiating energy so ofcourse superman while traveling towards it was being hit by radiation, however when a supernova explodes it realeases all its radiation ( equals to millions of years of radiation) and it releases a shockwave, if there was an explosion it was form the entropy bomb, the shockwave was from the suneater, it only identifies that he has been hit with the shockwave and outraces the red suns radiation (which obviously wouldve killed him since it is equal to millions of years of red su nradiation)
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678And what of that matches the info in the scan?
when a sun or suneater in this case is active it is constantly radiating energy so ofcourse superman while traveling towards it was being hit by radiation, however when a supernova explodes it realeases all its radiation ( equals to millions of years of radiation) and it releases a shockwave, if there was an explosion it was form the entropy bomb, the shockwave was from the suneater, it only identifies that he has been hit with the shockwave and outraces the red suns radiation (which obviously wouldve killed him since it is equal to millions of years of red su nradiation)
Originally posted by Creshoskeverything the scan can have many different interpetationsthe first is obvious that superman was hit wit hthe normal radiation of the suneater which is harmful too him then it becomes odd
And what of that matches the info in the scan?
you have two shockwaves
two sets of radiation released (one from the suneater exploding, a supernovas explosion just consists of radiation expanding rapidly)
and one explosion (only the entropy bomb gives an actual explosion)
Originally posted by UnrivaledShow Gokou ever taking a planet destroying blast? Or how about when Gokou fought Cell he dodged the tiny ki balls that did nothing but make small explosions and craters. Or Gokou dying by the first attack in the series to destroy a planet in an instance and the planet wasn't even that big to begin with and didn't even hit snake way yet Cell was suppose to blow up Earth with the same attack. Or Gohan and Super Buu w/Gotenks absorbed were fighting Buu blasting through the planet and not destroying it. Or Gokou and Vegeta unable to even block or even survive something that only destroyed Earth and left the solar system intact. If you want to get into beat downs. What about the fact Gokou deflected a blast that destroyed like what 1/10th of the worlds population yet he's hurt by punches that don't even come close to the power that they can create with blasts and strength that is greatly under that of what Superman has. Because some guy killed Superman in Obsidian Age doesn't mean Gokou could do it. The guy also tore the legs off of Flash something Gokou really wouldn't be able to do. The team killed Wonder Woman, and Kyle along with them. That's a big feat that the Z warriors wouldn't even hope to accomplish even with the help of their villains.
Glad someone can understand see/read scans!!!
Planet Destroing>>>>>>>>>>Million nukes>>>>>>>>>Obsidian agae Supes died from a physiocal beat down>>>>>>>>>>Gas Truck>>>>>>>Superman.
They are suppose to...but that went away apparently like most things. Vegeta should have had a huge increase in power after loosing to 18, being beat up by Cell, and then being blasted away by Trunks. And it didn't really help Vegeta against Freeza though. But Doomsday is more..immune to something after being beaten.
Originally posted by Kentothat can be better observed in the anime, in gt goku beats bot hfreeza and cell easily which shows that change...but that doesnt matter but from sheer lack of feats manga goku loses if we bring anime goku into this it might be better
They are suppose to...but that went away apparently like most things. Vegeta should have had a huge increase in power after loosing to 18, being beat up by Cell, and then being blasted away by Trunks. And it didn't really help Vegeta against Freeza though. But Doomsday is more..immune to something after being beaten.
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678How is them getting beat and getting stronger observed better in the anime? Gokou beat Freeza and Cell in Hell simply because he has been training for like 27 years since like Cell and what like 31 since Freeza. Anime Gokou still doesn't have the strength nor speed feats to actually stand a chance either. Then there is stuff totally contradicted in the anime from what follows the story, and then GT just screws everything up even more. Movies don't help much either with getting anything straight. Still they don't really have the speed feats to compete or the durabilty.
that can be better observed in the anime, in gt goku beats bot hfreeza and cell easily which shows that change...but that doesnt matter but from sheer lack of feats manga goku loses if we bring anime goku into this it might be better
Originally posted by Kento
How is them getting beat and getting stronger observed better in the anime? Gokou beat Freeza and Cell in Hell simply because he has been training for like 27 years since like Cell and what like 31 since Freeza. Anime Gokou still doesn't have the strength nor speed feats to actually stand a chance either. Then there is stuff totally contradicted in the anime from what follows the story, and then GT just screws everything up even more. Movies don't help much either with getting anything straight. Still they don't really have the speed feats to compete or the durabilty.
I dunno but you have to admit despite all the evidence presented if they made a real fight they would put goku on level with him,
and the problem wit hgt and such they accomplish great feats without really quanitfying them like they shoot large beams that grow straight through mountains and such but they cant be quantified in power
Originally posted by DestinyGuy678Of course if a real fight was ever made they would be shown as equals because the fight wouldn't be as interesting other wise.
I dunno but you have to admit despite all the evidence presented if they made a real fight they would put goku on level with him,and the problem wit hgt and such they accomplish great feats without really quanitfying them like they shoot large beams that grow straight through mountains and such but they cant be quantified in power
As for GT...lots of things never made sense in it anyway and very few of DBZ blasts were ever quantifiable. Most of it from the Super 17 saga though. Though I still believe Vegeta never should have been able to be possesed by Bebi. And I've only seen a few parts of the Evil Dragon saga like Gogeta fighting, Gokou lifting whatever he lifted underground, and the very last episode.
Originally posted by Kento
Of course if a real fight was ever made they would be shown as equals because the fight wouldn't be as interesting other wise.As for GT...lots of things never made sense in it anyway and very few of DBZ blasts were ever quantifiable. Most of it from the Super 17 saga though. Though I still believe Vegeta never should have been able to be possesed by Bebi. And I've only seen a few parts of the Evil Dragon saga like Gogeta fighting, Gokou lifting whatever he lifted underground, and the very last episode.
I saw it so long ago I can barely remember it..I've seen a few clips that reminded me of some of the stuff though
anywho I think we should declare goku the loser from lack of quantifiable feats
Power and size of the explosion in DB are not linear, I mean that because Vegeta just make a crater when he was Trying to Kill Buu, does not mean that is the same power when Nappa attack a city, In DB, the attack of someone with low level, is less powerful that someone with high level, even if both desintegrate only a mountain, is explain by Vegeta to Android 18 that the attacks are all control, is also show by Freeza that he could cut the planet Namek, and survive a planet explosion with his body cut in half, however Trunks desintegrate him, same Trunks could not Damage the android even if do the biggest Ki attack and destroy the planet, but when he come back after the defeat of Cell, his blast desintegrate the androids and Cell first form, and no planet was destroy, but that does not mean the attacks are weaker.
Superman soporters go on and on in the attacks size and craters, in the Manga, of what i understand and what my opinion is about it, is that Toriyama mean for them to increase in power regardless the size, like when human torch from the fantastic 4 go Nova only in his Radio, not actually destruying the planet with a giant Nova, DB attacks have the power, in his radio of destruction. But is convenient to say they only make a crater by superman soporters.
I agree with Destiny guy, if Goku lose is due his lack of feats, and I disagree that in a crossover will have to equalise both, and because Goku history is finish, the crossover is with Goku going to train with Ubb, the Goku SSJ 3 of Buu Saga, when Dead will rival Superman(IMO) but when alive will lose when he run out of power(as he did against the kid Buu). the Goku of the End of the manga after 10 years of training will have at least the same control of the Dead Goku