Superman vs Goku (Official Thread)

All I remember Vegeta saying to 18 was that if he went all - out, he would destroy the earth.

Also, Gohan didn't disintegrate Cell to atoms, that was never shown, stated, or implied. He just disintegrated him to small enough pieces that he couldn't regenerate (and destroyed that lump in his head that allowed him to regenerate).

As for seeing the explosion of Namek from outside the galaxy, that must have been filler since it was never in the manga. Also, surviving on the surface of an exploding planet < surviving all of the power to destroy a planet concentrated directly on you.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
All I remember Vegeta saying to 18 was that if he went all - out, he would destroy the earth.

Also, Gohan didn't disintegrate Cell to atoms, that was never shown, stated, or implied. He just disintegrated him to small enough pieces that he couldn't regenerate (and destroyed that lump in his head that allowed him to regenerate).

As for seeing the explosion of Namek from outside the galaxy, that must have been filler since it was never in the manga. Also, surviving on the surface of an exploding planet < surviving all of the power to destroy a planet concentrated directly on you.

now i could be wrong, but i could have sworn that whole thing with regen from one living cell was a dub line, and nothing more.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
All I remember Vegeta saying to 18 was that if he went all - out, he would destroy the earth.

Also, Gohan didn't disintegrate Cell to atoms, that was never shown, stated, or implied. He just disintegrated him to small enough pieces that he couldn't regenerate (and destroyed that lump in his head that allowed him to regenerate).

As for seeing the explosion of Namek from outside the galaxy, that must have been filler since it was never in the manga. Also, surviving on the surface of an exploding planet < surviving all of the power to destroy a planet concentrated directly on you.

SuperCell after regenaration was disintegrated in his totality, manga and anime, the attack pass over him and erode his body along with part of the ground, there is 3 panels that show that in the end nothing is left of him, in the anime, they show that all cells are destroyed.

you realize that cells are invisible to the naked eye right?

Originally posted by emporerpants
you realize that cells are invisible to the naked eye right?

we don't know how far it destroyed. its perfectly possible that it destroyed things down to a level that we can't see, but parts still remain.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
if cell has even one living cell he can regen.

You do realize that cells and atoms are different, right?

BTW: http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/DBZ/cellregen.gif

now i could be wrong, but i could have sworn that whole thing with regen from one living cell was a dub line, and nothing more.

True, see my scan.

SuperCell after regenaration was disintegrated in his totality, manga and anime, the attack pass over him and erode his body along with part of the ground, there is 3 panels that show that in the end nothing is left of him, in the anime, they show that all cells are destroyed.

*snip*

You mean nothing big enough to see.

The attack of Gohan is obvoiusly stronger than the autodestruction of Cell.

Vvendeta
SuperCell after regenaration was disintegrated in his totality, manga and anime, the attack pass over him and erode his body along with part of the ground, there is 3 panels that show that in the end nothing is left of him, in the anime, they show that all cells are destroyed.

ENDLESS MIKE

You mean nothing big enough to see.

You see there are 3 panels that show diferent than the scan of Cell regenarating, the last panel show that there is nothing, you can say that pieces remain and Gohan only focus in disintegrate the lump that cause Cell to regenerate, I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

Emporerpants
don't know how far it destroyed. its perfectly possible that it destroyed things down to a level that we can't see, but parts still remain.

The anime, supervised by Akira Toriyama, show the disintegration of Cells, now you could say is a filler, bla bla, but dont you think that Toriyama will be in control of what is supose to be the end of DBZ? he continue with the Buu saga but hias intention was to finish here his manga and anime.

The manga show that nothing remains, and later erode rock and the path of the beam, if disintegrate to nothing In my opinion.

Here the death of Cell in the anime.
YouTube video

so once again, the dbz side is using SPECULATION to TRY and prove its misguided points. no matter what you say, the manga is the cannon, and at no point does it say that cell can regen from just one cell. all it shows is that he was destroyed to a level that can't be seen with the naked eye. nothing more.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...Z/cellregen.gif

why do those translations look like they were done in paint?

Originally posted by emporerpants
so once again, the dbz side is using SPECULATION to TRY and prove its misguided points. no matter what you say, the manga is the cannon, and at no point does it say that cell can regen from just one cell. all it shows is that he was destroyed to a level that can't be seen with the naked eye. nothing more.

I never said that Cell regenerate from his cells, but I said that Cell was desintegrate to nothing, is Superman soporters who said that even if the manga show a 3 panels with the beam passing by and the third panel show nothing left of Cell, Superman soporters still saying that a little pieces must remain, invisible to the naked eyed, so who Is SPECULATING here?

I always was clear and said the ANIME show the cells disintegration.

Originally posted by DestinyGuy678
why do those translations look like they were done in paint?

I assure you, is the original english translation, and if you see, is a open book.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
I assure you, is the original english translation, and if you see, is a open book.

*sigh* what i meant was that its ALL specualtion as far as dbz is concerned. we don't know if he was totally disintgrated or not. its all SPECULATION. just like most of the dbz supporters agruments. it can't be said either way if he was disintgrated totally not. saying that he was is SPECULATION. saying he wasn't is also SPECULATION. since its all speculation YOU can't use it as proof and neither can we. all that can be said is that maybe he was disintgrated and maybe he wasn't. sorry, but inconclusive things like that just don't fly.

also, i wouldn't question mike's scans if i was you.

Originally posted by emporerpants
*sigh* what i meant was that its ALL specualtion as far as dbz is concerned. we don't know if he was totally disintgrated or not. its all SPECULATION. just like most of the dbz supporters agruments. it can't be said either way if he was disintgrated totally not. saying that he was is SPECULATION. saying he wasn't is also SPECULATION. since its all speculation YOU can't use it as proof and neither can we. all that can be said is that maybe he was disintgrated and maybe he wasn't. sorry, but inconclusive things like that just don't fly.

also, i wouldn't question mike's scans if i was you.

You see there are 3 panels that show diferent than the scan of Cell regenarating, the last panel show that there is nothing, you can say that pieces remain and Gohan only focus in disintegrate the lump that cause Cell to regenerate, I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

Just because you can't see anything doesn't mean that everything is completely gone. That's a nonsensical interpretation, it makes much more sense to simply say he was disintegrated into small enough pieces that he couldn't reform. Considering the scan of the aftermath is from an angle several hundred meters away, not being able to see any pieces left is pretty understandable.

The anime, supervised by Akira Toriyama, show the disintegration of Cells, now you could say is a filler, bla bla, but dont you think that Toriyama will be in control of what is supose to be the end of DBZ? he continue with the Buu saga but hias intention was to finish here his manga and anime.

And yet he didn't finish it there, so whatever argument you're trying to make pretty much shot itself down there.

The manga show that nothing remains, and later erode rock and the path of the beam, if disintegrate to nothing In my opinion.

If it's "nothing" then what happened to the matter that composed his body? DBZ has no powers that can just remove things from existence. It was simply blown into pieces.

Here the death of Cell in the anime.
*snip*

Too bad the anime is not canon. Not to mention that doesn't even show it becoming "nothing".

why do those translations look like they were done in paint?

The group that scanned it didn't have many cleaners, and only had access to low quality raws. What's your point?

Well i base my opinion in the 3 panel showing the path of the beam and the last little panel showing nothing

Emporer pants
since its all speculation YOU can't use it as proof and neither can we. all that can be said is that maybe he was disintgrated and maybe he wasn't. sorry, but inconclusive things like that just don't fly.

Nor my opinion, or yours, or Endless Mike´s are absolutes facts, are just opinions, for the sake of the debate, i can agree or disagree, in this case i disagree, first, if Toriyama wanted to show that pieces remaining then he will draw it like this case:

But in the case of Cell he show the same space with Cell body get erode and the last scan show nothing

Endless Mike
Just because you can't see anything doesn't mean that everything is completely gone. That's a nonsensical interpretation, it makes much more sense to simply say he was disintegrated into small enough pieces that he couldn't reform. Considering the scan of the aftermath is from an angle several hundred meters away, not being able to see any pieces left is pretty understandable.

And for Cell to be Totally defeated, here is the original translation:

So for that cluster of Cells have to be disintegrate it in his totally, cells and atoms have to be distroyed. otherwise he will coming back even if one Cell of that lump survive. Cell is saying even if microscopic pieces remain, he could go on regenarating, so Gohan Disintegrated those Microscopic pieces, to nothing.

What i want to prove with this?
Even if i am wrong in my conclusions, Cell in relax mode resist a masive human army attack without a scratch or make him back him up or move, and Goku SSJ 1 only destroyed part of his body, but Gohan SSJ2 have higher Ki, so he could destroy not only a power up Cell, but the one that comeback to regenaration, with higher Ki and Durability than the one relax against the army.
(In case you wonder what i mean, a more Ki output or burst, more durability, speed and strenght, and Cell dying was in powering up in his maximum power)

The group that scanned it didn't have many cleaners, and only had access to low quality raws. What's your point?

why is everyone so hostile, I was just curious

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Well i base my opinion in the 3 panel showing the path of the beam and the last little panel showing nothing

Nor my opinion, or yours, or Endless Mike´s are absolutes facts, are just opinions, for the sake of the debate, i can agree or disagree, in this case i disagree, first, if Toriyama wanted to show that pieces remaining then he will draw it like this case:
*snip*
But in the case of Cell he show the same space with Cell body get erode and the last scan show nothing

Because that scan showed it from close up, not far away like is the truth in this case. And you do realize if something was in pieces small enough they couldn't be seen by the naked eye, right?

You dont see to analize that if matter is gone, then allready atoms and cells are destroyed, if from a body of 100 kilos only 1 kilo remain in pieces not seing by the human eye, where is the other 99 kilos?

Converted into different types of matter and energy. 1st law of thermodynamics. There is absolutely no evidence that even all of his cells, let alone molecules or atoms, were destroyed. You can't simply claim that.

And for Cell to be Totally defeated, here is the original translation:
*snip*[/quote]

Which just confirms what I was saying.

So for that cluster of Cells have to be disintegrate it in his totally, cells and atoms have to be distroyed. otherwise he will coming back even if one Cell of that lump survive. Cell is saying even if microscopic pieces remain, he could go on regenarating, so Gohan Disintegrated those Microscopic pieces, to nothing.

What? No. Did you even read it? In order for him to regenerate, that part of him has to still exist. He can't regenerate if only one cell, molecule, or atom of that cluster exists. The whole thing has to exist for him to regenerate. He even said that the whole thing was unharmed, and that's why he was able to regenerate.

What i want to prove with this?
Even if i am wrong in my conclusions, Cell in relax mode resist a masive human army attack without a scratch or make him back him up or move, and Goku SSJ 1 only destroyed part of his body, but Gohan SSJ2 have higher Ki, so he could destroy not only a power up Cell, but the one that comeback to regenaration, with higher Ki and Durability than the one relax against the army.

So Cell and Gohan are stronger than an army. So is Superman. What's your point?

(In case you wonder what i mean, a more Ki output or burst, more durability, speed and strenght, and Cell dying was in powering up in his maximum power)

Yeah, you're going to have to work on rephrasing this, because currently it's not making much sense.

why is everyone so hostile, I was just curious

It seemed like you were questioning the validity of my scans. Sorry.