Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
Sorry but superman would juck it lol then snap his neck surfer can but wont beat the man of steal because superman was made to win not lose and he has went threw any and everything you can think of
Originally posted by Soleran
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Originally posted by Soleran
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The fact that Surfer left on his board physically + common sense = Surfer physically searched the planet. Superman has claimed and done this too. Just not that fast.
Common sense would say...that panel showed nothing and said nothing about him physically searching anything.
If you have anything that proves that wrong directly..this would be a good time to show it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Considering travelling speed could easily be used as a weapon, I don't see how conceding he is faster works to your benefit. Surfer could simply start from light-years away, beyond Superman's vision range accelerate to 350X the speed of light and by the time any of Superman's senses could even register him, Surfer has probably blown right through him.
Non factor. This is just pure fanboy ridiculousness.... Superman could easily fly through Surfer given accelaration and his own ftl speeds.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And we should all know that Surfer's cosmically enhanced senses have far greater range than Superman's.
Juntai has already taken care of this.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Only people that have roughed up Surfer physically have been Thanos, WM Thor, Tyrant and Champion. Then there are the dozens of Surfer fanboys who swear that he's never been fazed without an energy backed hit, whatever the hell that means. I've seen Superman kroughed up by Mongul, Despero, Repo-man, Subjekt-17, among others.
Storm, Firelord, Terrax, Iron man, Doctor Doom, Thing, Gladiator have all roughed him up or beaten Surfer.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Since when does Superman get mentioned in the same sentence as Thanos? SS has amped himself physically to be on Hulk's and Thor's level. Also, anybody remember that classic Abomination H2H fight when Surfer was depowered? But his Power Cosmic is so formidable that he rarely needs to get into lifting contests. How does he fight the Hulk? He sucks the gamma radiation that powers him. All of a sudden, yellow sun radiation is so much more exotic that Surfer couldn't suck it out? I've seen him mess with Wonderman's ionic energy too.
Superman has equal or better feats than Thanos WITHOUT prep on his side and under his own power. Superman and Hulk...2 completely different characters. Bio-energy doesn't treat SS very well.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't remember Glads ever fighting Surfer. They fought together against Tyrant once. Supes heat vision is vastly outclasses the energy output of sun cores? Because that is what you'll need to begin fazing Surfer with heat. In fact, I've never seen Surfer fazed by heat at all. And it's odd how you like to point to heat vision when in several paragraphs above you just said that if they're fighting at faster than light speeds, energy blasts wouldn't mean anything anyway.
Really? Glads Heat vision hurt him just fine...and it's never been shown anywhere near the power of Superman's HV.
And yes... I did say that the energy blasts wouldn't mean anything at FTL speeds...who is affected worse by this? SS.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer 7/10. I give Superman credit because he's a scrapper and he finds a way to win, but Surfer would have to be written spectacularly retarded to lose to Superman for the majority.
We all have our opinions. Supes would literally have to fight in smallville stupid mode to lose a majority seeing as Surfer has nothing that has been tried in different combinations countless times and still fail.
I could go on...but Juntai as already pointed out many things on his own.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou'll never admit it, so it's pointless to move forward on this. From time to time, I too can ignore the substantive and call out people on their bullshit. But back to substantive is exactly where the strengths of my arguments lie. What you keep failing to see is that Surfer's durability and powers outclass Superman.
This is the smoke screen if anything, as it compeltely de-rails from the topic at hand, and has no base on which to stand. In fact, pretty much this entire quoted area in your post is bullshit. I'd break it down for you, but that would mean your tactic worked, wouldn't it? So just get back to the topic, Surfer vs Superman, rather than your intangible presumptions.
Originally posted by JuntaiWhether you want to cling to your fanboyish notion that riding out the shockwave is the same thing as being within 50 supernovas is now irrelevant to me. In your scans, the end result was: Superman was significantly depowered. Surviving it was just about all he could manage. Superman wasn't even able to accelerate to ftl speeds when he went through what he went through. Could Silver Surfer replicate those effects? Absolutely. Would you bet money on Superman in that state vs. the Surfer? It'd be your loss.
Surfers got some decent feats sure, but Superman's got a feat that pretty much counters any of them. Surfer can make a black hole, Superman can survive one. He can shoot red sun energy, Superman can survive it, Surfer could theoretically produce kryptonite, Superman can survive it. Surfer can make blasts that destroy planets and stuff... Superman stood in a blast which would have wiped a galaxy and absorbed it. Or as we just saw, under a red sun, and mostly powerless, he survived the force of 50 supernovas. Whatever he's got... Superman can and has survived it, and kept on fighting..
Surfer doesn't just blow up planets. That's Superman level feats. He snuffs out suns and makes black holes. So stop trying to bring Surfer down to Superman's level.
Originally posted by JuntaiAnother ignorant point. These aren't combat scenarios of Surfer vs. Superman. This is another desperate attempt to avoid thinking about those combat scenarios. If you don't think Tyrant and Thanos could pimpslap Superman, then you are truly hopeless. So talking about Surfer's defeats and not even bothering to measure how Superman would fare in the same scenarios is not only desperate but ignorant. Because I think that it is absolutely fair to state that 95% of the KMC posters know and understand that Thanos and Tyrant would bitchslap Superman as well.
Now that that is out of the way, lets look at combat scenarios... Superman has defeated gods, demons, high end cosmic threats and mostly under his own power, and when Surfer runs into beings of similar calibre, he is often enough just swatted to the ground unconscious without effort on the half of the protagonist.
Superman has beaten Darkseid under his own power, Surfer gets KOed every time he runs into Darkseid's Marvel knockoff.
Since you like Jeph Loeb Superman and Jeph Loeb Darkseid so much, let's try and intuit that combat scenario. Superman trades blows with Darkseid. Superman sundips, gets more powerful and beats Darkseid. Throw in Silver Surfer now. Superman trades blows with Silver Surfer. Superman sundips, gets more powerful. What next?
Well your hope is Surfer would be an idiot and not do any one of these things:
1) Snuff out the sun completely.
2) Create a barrier that blocks the yellow sun radiation from being absorbed.
3) Suck out Superman's yellow sun radiation energies directly.
4) Convert the radiation to something else to interfere with the absorption process.
4) Absorb the sunlight for himself and amp himself at the same time.
Well... don't mind if I hijack your words as a conclusion:
"I could go on and on.. But you'll ignore this all anyways and/or try to make it all seem irrelivent, and run off on several tangets without purpose or base, and try to assert yourself as a winner of sorts. Just like your last post, and most every debate you're in. ."
That has a good ring to it. You say you appreciated that I acknowledged Superman could get a few wins. Thanks. One day, I might appreciate you ever acknowledging a single fact. But you don't. You like to ignore them, obfuscate them or hope they go away. It's characteristic of you. So, instead of giving you an out, I'm going to call you out on them:
1) Has Superman ever snuffed out a sun with his own power?
2) Has Superman ever created a blackhole with his own power?
3) Has Superman ever operated inside a blackhole without pain?
4) For that matter, has Superman ever defeated a herald-lvl opponent INSIDE a black hole with his own power?
5) Can Superman see through time with his own power?
6) Can Superman access different planes of space like the Microverse under his own power?
7) Can Superman accelerate to 350X the speed of light under his own power?
8) Can Superman utilize any nearby energy source for augmentation?
9) Can Superman use his powers to manipulate all kinds of energies for almost any purpose?
10) Could Surfer amp himself up with yellow sun radiation like Superman?
11) Has Surfer created fields that blocked the absorption of radiation?
12) Has Surfer directly modulated and/or sucked out the energies that powered an opponent?
13) Has Surfer amped his strength directly to outclass characters like classic Abombination with ease?
Answer the questions or stfu.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindHow funny that when people argue Superman could speedblitz people, it a valid tactic but when god forbid Surfer wants to speedblitz someone... its fanboyism. You give a curt response to a perfectly valid option for Surfer. Why don't you do me an honest to goodness favor, all sarcasm aside and tell me in a paragraph, just how does Superman dodge such a tactic or makes it a non factor?
Non factor. This is just pure fanboy ridiculousness.... Superman could easily fly through Surfer given accelaration and his own ftl speeds.
Surfer travels away from Superman on his board 100 light years away. He can do this under his own travelling speed or he could enter the Microverse and be spit out in another realm of space or he could just make a wormhole and be shot out in a random spot far, far away. He uses his cosmically enhanced senses to pinpoint Superman. He accelerates to 350X the speed of light directly at Superman.
You, Juntai and I have already discussed that Surfer's cosmically enhanced senses are greater than Superman's. We've also discussed that Superman needs to use telescopic vision to see great distances. And telescopic vision is focused vision, not all range vision. So unless Superman knows in which direction to look, Superman is gonna have a tough time finding him. So just how does Superman nullify this tactic?
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindNo. Actually I replied to his statement that it would be difficult to prove Surfer's senses are greater than Superman by listing feats that surpassed Superman's sensory feats and he dropped it. This is a concession in my favor that hasn't been proven otherwise. I already showed how Surfer's senses are better than Superman's. If you want to show me anything else, by all means I'll address it.
Juntai has already taken care of this.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindIn case you ignored it, I was referring to a list of people who have physically roughed up Surfer, as in with strength, punches and physical blows. The list I made for Superman was just such a list. Of your list, Doctor Doom was the only one that beat Surfer and he didn't even do it physically. Perhaps you'd like to elucidate these instances where Storm slapped Surfer with a punch or Iron Man kicked Surfer in the head and Surfer was physically shaken or roughed up? Quite honestly, I'm pretty sure you just misunderstood what I was saying the entire time and missed the point. Sorry to be snide, but I'm not surprised.
Storm, Firelord, Terrax, Iron man, Doctor Doom, Thing, Gladiator have all roughed him up or beaten Surfer.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindPlease list an instance where bio-energy didn't treat Surfer well.
Superman has equal or better feats than Thanos WITHOUT prep on his side and under his own power. Superman and Hulk...2 completely different characters. Bio-energy doesn't treat SS very well.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindPlease tell me when Glads ever fought the Silver Surfer and hurt him with his heat vision. I've already stated several times that I've never seen it happened. Stop selectively choosing what to read and answer my question, "When the hell did this happen or are you making it up?"
Really? Glads Heat vision hurt him just fine...and it's never been shown anywhere near the power of Superman's HV.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindSurfer isn't just a green kryptonite ring. Surfer isn't just an exploding red supernova. Surfer can be all that and more. Your opinion is narrow-minded. If Surfer was behind that red sun supernova, he'd have detonated it, absorbed some of the red sun energies, flew after Superman, beat his head in a few times and thrown him into the incinerating energies or the resultant blackhole. Has Superman encountered such a combination? No? Then instead of relying on what combinations have been thrown at Superman in the past, why don't you try to imagine what kind of combinations the Surfer would throw at him and actually ask yourself the question of this thread, "What would happen if Superman and Silver Surfer fought and they used the full extent of their powers?"
We all have our opinions. Supes would literally have to fight in smallville stupid mode to lose a majority seeing as Surfer has nothing that has been tried in different combinations countless times and still fail.I could go on...but Juntai as already pointed out many things on his own.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You'll never admit it, so it's pointless to move forward on this. From time to time, I too can ignore the substantive and call out people on their bullshit. But back to substantive is exactly where the strengths of my arguments lie. What you keep failing to see is that Surfer's durability and powers outclass Superman.
Whether you want to cling to your fanboyish notion that riding out the shockwave is the same thing as being within 50 supernovas is now irrelevant to me. In your scans, the end result was: Superman was significantly depowered. Surviving it was just about all he could manage. Superman wasn't even able to accelerate to ftl speeds when he went through what he went through. Could Silver Surfer replicate those effects? Absolutely. Would you bet money on Superman in that state vs. the Surfer? It'd be your loss.Surfer doesn't just blow up planets. That's Superman level feats. He snuffs out suns and makes black holes. So stop trying to bring Surfer down to Superman's level.
Another ignorant point. These aren't combat scenarios of Surfer vs. Superman. This is another desperate attempt to avoid thinking about those combat scenarios. If you don't think Tyrant and Thanos could pimpslap Superman, then you are truly hopeless. So talking about Surfer's defeats and not even bothering to measure how Superman would fare in the same scenarios is not only desperate but ignorant. Because I think that it is absolutely fair to state that 95% of the KMC posters know and understand that Thanos and Tyrant would bitchslap Superman as well.Since you like Jeph Loeb Superman and Jeph Loeb Darkseid so much, let's try and intuit that combat scenario. Superman trades blows with Darkseid. Superman sundips, gets more powerful and beats Darkseid. Throw in Silver Surfer now. Superman trades blows with Silver Surfer. Superman sundips, gets more powerful. What next?
Well your hope is Surfer would be an idiot and not do any one of these things:
1) Snuff out the sun completely.
2) Create a barrier that blocks the yellow sun radiation from being absorbed.
3) Suck out Superman's yellow sun radiation energies directly.
4) Convert the radiation to something else to interfere with the absorption process.
4) Absorb the sunlight for himself and amp himself at the same time.Well... don't mind if I hijack your words as a conclusion:
"I could go on and on.. But you'll ignore this all anyways and/or try to make it all seem irrelivent, and run off on several tangets without purpose or base, and try to assert yourself as a winner of sorts. Just like your last post, and most every debate you're in. ."
That has a good ring to it. You say you appreciated that I acknowledged Superman could get a few wins. Thanks. One day, I might appreciate you ever acknowledging a single fact. But you don't. You like to ignore them, obfuscate them or hope they go away. It's characteristic of you. So, instead of giving you an out, I'm going to call you out on them:
1) Has Superman ever snuffed out a sun with his own power?
2) Has Superman ever created a blackhole with his own power?
3) Has Superman ever operated inside a blackhole without pain?
4) For that matter, has Superman ever defeated a herald-lvl opponent INSIDE a black hole with his own power?
5) Can Superman see through time with his own power?
6) Can Superman access different planes of space like the Microverse under his own power?
7) Can Superman accelerate to 350X the speed of light under his own power?
8) Can Superman utilize any nearby energy source for augmentation?
9) Can Superman use his powers to manipulate all kinds of energies for almost any purpose?
10) Could Surfer amp himself up with yellow sun radiation like Superman?
11) Has Surfer created fields that blocked the absorption of radiation?
12) Has Surfer directly modulated and/or sucked out the energies that powered an opponent?
13) Has Surfer amped his strength directly to outclass characters like classic Abombination with ease?Answer the questions or stfu.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How funny that when people argue Superman could speedblitz people, it a valid tactic but when god forbid Surfer wants to speedblitz someone... its fanboyism. You give a curt response to a perfectly valid option for Surfer. Why don't you do me an honest to goodness favor, all sarcasm aside and tell me in a paragraph, just how does Superman dodge such a tactic or makes it a non factor?Surfer travels away from Superman on his board 100 light years away. He can do this under his own travelling speed or he could enter the Microverse and be spit out in another realm of space or he could just make a wormhole and be shot out in a random spot far, far away. He uses his cosmically enhanced senses to pinpoint Superman. He accelerates to 350X the speed of light directly at Superman.
You, Juntai and I have already discussed that Surfer's cosmically enhanced senses are greater than Superman's. We've also discussed that Superman needs to use telescopic vision to see great distances. And telescopic vision is focused vision, not all range vision. So unless Superman knows in which direction to look, Superman is gonna have a tough time finding him. So just how does Superman nullify this tactic?
No. Actually I replied to his statement that it would be difficult to prove Surfer's senses are greater than Superman by listing feats that surpassed Superman's sensory feats and he dropped it. This is a concession in my favor that hasn't been proven otherwise. I already showed how Surfer's senses are better than Superman's. If you want to show me anything else, by all means I'll address it.
In case you ignored it, I was referring to a list of people who have physically roughed up Surfer, as in with strength, punches and physical blows. The list I made for Superman was just such a list. Of your list, Doctor Doom was the only one that beat Surfer and he didn't even do it physically. Perhaps you'd like to elucidate these instances where Storm slapped Surfer with a punch or Iron Man kicked Surfer in the head and Surfer was physically shaken or roughed up? Quite honestly, I'm pretty sure you just misunderstood what I was saying the entire time and missed the point. Sorry to be snide, but I'm not surprised.
Please list an instance where bio-energy didn't treat Surfer well.
Please tell me when Glads ever fought the Silver Surfer and hurt him with his heat vision. I've already stated several times that I've never seen it happened. Stop selectively choosing what to read and answer my question, "When the hell did this happen or are you making it up?"
Surfer isn't just a green kryptonite ring. Surfer isn't just an exploding red supernova. Surfer can be all that and more. Your opinion is narrow-minded. If Surfer was behind that red sun supernova, he'd have detonated it, absorbed some of the red sun energies, flew after Superman, beat his head in a few times and thrown him into the incinerating energies or the resultant blackhole. Has Superman encountered such a combination? No? Then instead of relying on what combinations have been thrown at Superman in the past, why don't you try to imagine what kind of combinations the Surfer would throw at him and actually ask yourself the question of this thread, "What would happen if Superman and Silver Surfer fought and they used the full extent of their powers?"
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1) Has Superman ever snuffed out a sun with his own power?
2) Has Superman ever created a blackhole with his own power?
3) Has Superman ever operated inside a blackhole without pain?
4) For that matter, has Superman ever defeated a herald-lvl opponent INSIDE a black hole with his own power?
5) Can Superman see through time with his own power?
6) Can Superman access different planes of space like the Microverse under his own power?
7) Can Superman accelerate to 350X the speed of light under his own power?
8) Can Superman utilize any nearby energy source for augmentation?
9) Can Superman use his powers to manipulate all kinds of energies for almost any purpose?
10) Could Surfer amp himself up with yellow sun radiation like Superman?
11) Has Surfer created fields that blocked the absorption of radiation?
12) Has Surfer directly modulated and/or sucked out the energies that powered an opponent?
13) Has Surfer amped his strength directly to outclass characters like classic Abombination with ease?
1) Superman has snuffed out a sun with his own power. Maggedon anyone? Seeing as that sun could blow up half a galaxy it was definatly more powerful than a normal one.
3)He's lifted one with starin, but then again I'd like to see Surfer physically lift that much.
4) This as bad as the Hulk fans using the onslaught feet. Why would Superman ever need to fight someone within a black hole?
7) He has feats that would indicate so. Infinite crisis for one.
8) He's absorbed different types of energy before.
9) Gravity manipulation. He's done it a number of times to contain black holes.
As for the others Surfer does have powers that Superman, but what does that matter? It's like saying Batman can't beat Poison Ivy because he lacks plant control powers.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Durability to energy maybe, but not overall durability. Superman has survived just as crazy things as he has.
You'll never admit it, so it's pointless to move forward on this. From time to time, I too can ignore the substantive and call out people on their bullshit. But back to substantive is exactly where the strengths of my arguments lie. What you keep failing to see is that Surfer's durability and powers outclass Superman.
Whether you want to cling to your fanboyish notion that riding out the shockwave is the same thing as being within 50 supernovas is now irrelevant to me. In your scans, the end result was: Superman was significantly depowered. Surviving it was just about all he could manage. Superman wasn't even able to accelerate to ftl speeds when he went through what he went through. Could Silver Surfer replicate those effects? Absolutely. Would you bet money on Superman in that state vs. the Surfer? It'd be your loss.Interpretations are different. That's not the only time Superman has been in a blast that powerful. Mageddon, maybe? What did Superman do there? Abosorbed the energy.
Surfer is going to replicate a 50 Supernova evergy blast? lol.
Surfer doesn't just blow up planets. That's Superman level feats. He snuffs out suns and makes black holes. So stop trying to bring Surfer down to Superman's level.It's not a matter of bringing anyone down. It's just showing that they're in similar leagues.
Another ignorant point. These aren't combat scenarios of Surfer vs. Superman. This is another desperate attempt to avoid thinking about those combat scenarios. If you don't think Tyrant and Thanos could pimpslap Superman, then you are truly hopeless. So talking about Surfer's defeats and not even bothering to measure how Superman would fare in the same scenarios is not only desperate but ignorant. Because I think that it is absolutely fair to state that 95% of the KMC posters know and understand that Thanos and Tyrant would bitchslap Superman as well.Yeah, Thanos and Tyrant can pimpsmack Surfer without effort, what's your point? Wait, you're borrowing my point and helping me prove how when Surfer runs into similar threats Superman has faced down, he goes down while Superman doesn't. Sweet.
Since you like Jeph Loeb Superman and Jeph Loeb Darkseid so much, let's try and intuit that combat scenario. Superman trades blows with Darkseid. Superman sundips, gets more powerful and beats Darkseid. Throw in Silver Surfer now. Superman trades blows with Silver Surfer. Superman sundips, gets more powerful. What next?Superman doesn't need to sundip to beat Darkseid. That was one time. And happened to come after doing twice without such an event.
Well your hope is Surfer would be an idiot and not do any one of these things:
1) Snuff out the sun completely.
2) Create a barrier that blocks the yellow sun radiation from being absorbed.
3) Suck out Superman's yellow sun radiation energies directly.
4) Convert the radiation to something else to interfere with the absorption process.
4) Absorb the sunlight for himself and amp himself at the same time.
1]I don't see him taking time to do that in the middle of a fight. But if he wants to move the fight closer to the sun, he's getting himself in more trouble than he would otherwise.
2]Been tried, and didn't help in the end.
3]Been tried, and didn't gather a win.
4]Done that too.
4] Why is there two number 4s?
Well... don't mind if I hijack your words as a conclusion:What is, are you playing the "I know you are, but what am I?" game? lol."I could go on and on.. But you'll ignore this all anyways and/or try to make it all seem irrelivent, and run off on several tangets without purpose or base, and try to assert yourself as a winner of sorts. Just like your last post, and most every debate you're in. ."
That has a good ring to it.
You say you appreciated that I acknowledged Superman could get a few wins. Thanks.
One day, I might appreciate you ever acknowledging a single fact. But you don't. You like to ignore them, obfuscate them or hope they go away. It's characteristic of you.Funny, what fact have you presented that I didn't not acknowleding? Most of your previous post had little facts and a lot of hot air. This is just more of the same, but at least you made some lists to break down for you.
So, instead of giving you an out, I'm going to call you out on them:1)Yep, I mentioned it earlier. So did the guy who already replied to this ahead of me. Also, Dr Hamilton suggested that Superman is killing the Earths sun at increasing rates and will eventually do so completely.1) Has Superman ever snuffed out a sun with his own power?
2) Has Superman ever created a blackhole with his own power?
3) Has Superman ever operated inside a blackhole without pain?
4) For that matter, has Superman ever defeated a herald-lvl opponent INSIDE a black hole with his own power?
5) Can Superman see through time with his own power?
6) Can Superman access different planes of space like the Microverse under his own power?
7) Can Superman accelerate to 350X the speed of light under his own power?
8) Can Superman utilize any nearby energy source for augmentation?
9) Can Superman use his powers to manipulate all kinds of energies for almost any purpose?
10) Could Surfer amp himself up with yellow sun radiation like Superman?
11) Has Surfer created fields that blocked the absorption of radiation?
12) Has Surfer directly modulated and/or sucked out the energies that powered an opponent?
13) Has Surfer amped his strength directly to outclass characters like classic Abombination with ease?Answer the questions or stfu.
However, your post once again didn't do anything towards what you were hoping it would. And you once again ran off on tangents that have nothing to do with the combat at hand, "can Superman make a black hole", "can Superman see through time!?" as if it has any bearing on this fight.
Hmm... predicted this smoke and mirrors event, didn't they...?
Originally posted by Juntai
I could go on and on.. But you'll ignore this all anyways and/or try to make it all seem irrelivent, and run off on several tangets without purpose or base, and try to assert yourself as a winner of sorts. Just like your last post, and most every debate you're in. .
Oh right, I did.
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You're also quite hypocritical. Saying:
These aren't combat scenarios of Surfer vs. Superman. This is another desperate attempt to avoid thinking about those combat scenarios.
But that's OK, I knew you'd do that.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
1) Superman has snuffed out a sun with his own power. Maggedon anyone? Seeing as that sun could blow up half a galaxy it was definatly more powerful than a normal one.3)He's lifted one with starin, but then again I'd like to see Surfer physically lift that much.
4) This as bad as the Hulk fans using the onslaught feet. Why would Superman ever need to fight someone within a black hole?
7) He has feats that would indicate so. Infinite crisis for one.
8) He's absorbed different types of energy before.
9) Gravity manipulation. He's done it a number of times to contain black holes.
As for the others Surfer does have powers that Superman, but what does that matter? It's like saying Batman can't beat Poison Ivy because he lacks plant control powers.
That's totally true. Saying Silver Surfer can create a black hole absorb this and that does not mean he has the physical strength to beat Superman.