Originally posted by UniOmni
I was talking about when he was on Earth.He was clearly in immense pain just from touching the guy, and he didn't give up.
Maybe i shouldn't have said stalemate, but i don't know what else to call it.
It was an pwning.
Don't get me wrong...Jonn was brave and showed courage but he was still pwned.
Every. Single. Time.
He was hiding behind Zauriel in heaven. That was priceless. 😆
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos has had many and they are touted and vaunted.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You say this as if DS having a power up is some kind of Low?
Originally posted by UniOmni
So that's what Countdown is about?DS finds a power source, so now he gets to beat Superman?
WOw, what a way to really hammer it home that he wasn't powerful enough before.
Originally posted by Validus
Not by me but Thanos has fanboys, just like Darkseid does.Yes because...
DS isn't allowed to step in the DCU in his true form. He could just wreck everything easily then. The source, which powers him, won't allow certain things. So I guess DS has found some other power. and It looks as if once he finds the life equation, he will control order and chaos.
Originally posted by UniOmniWonder Woman is more the analog of Thor than Superman. Their basic history and even the stories involved in their comics are more similar.
She fought him all out, and acquited herself well, even if he wasn't seeing her.And he punched her all out in front of the sun, where he gains a significant power increase.
And CM never fought Darkseid to my recollection. Different circles.
All i'm saying, is that Superman has beaten Darkseid 3 times, one with a powerup, and the first time straight up.
The closest Thor ever came to beating Thanos was when he had the powergem, and he still didn't ko the guy.
C'mon!
Superman straight up beats on Darkseid over in DC, while his peer in Marvel with a powerup doesn't seal the deal.
How does that not scream Thanos is physically more capable than Darkseid?
Superman's peers haven't beaten Darkseid, even in groups.
Take for instance S/B Supergirl arc, Superman defeats Darkseid while Wonder Woman and Barda, two of these 'peers' of Superman, lost to the Furies. The Furies fall far short of Darkseid.
Superman is simply the exception. People should deal with it.
The theory on the forum is that because he's lost to Superman, that he's weak... When the truth of it is, that Superman is simply a different level over his so-called peers, when he stops being nice and the mental blocks come down.
The Anti-Life Equation is the equation that Darkseid is lusting for in the Jack Kirby's Fourth World setting. It is for this reason that he sends his forces to Earth, as he believes part of the equation exists in the human subconscious. Various comics have defined the equation in different ways, but a common interpretation seems to be that the equation is a mathematical proof of the futility of living.
Just trying to make sense of this.
Originally posted by Juntai
Wonder Woman is more the analog of Thor than Superman. Their basic history and even the stories involved in their comics are more similar.Superman's peers haven't beaten Darkseid, even in groups.
Take for instance S/B Supergirl arc, Superman defeats Darkseid while Wonder Woman and Barda, two of these 'peers' of Superman, lost to the Furies. The Furies fall far short of Darkseid.
Superman is simply the exception. People should deal with it.
The theory on the forum is that because he's lost to Superman, that he's weak... When the truth of it is, that Superman is simply a different level over his so-called peers, when he stops being nice and the mental blocks come down.
Agreed. That and they get hung up on his power set. Apparently that bio aura and solar energy can be stretched out real far.
Originally posted by UniOmni
He likely would.Do i think that he'd do it on his own merits, or because he's superman and thats the nature of comics?
The latter.
Proof of Darkseid being physically inferior to Thanos is the fact that Thanos has a history of being untouchable to Top tiers.
Superman is a top tier. Elite, and at the pinnacle sure, but still a top tier..
He has that showing against morg, but Darkseid has that showing against Raker.
Don't be mad at me because DC shows Superman beating Darkseid one month, and then stalemating Cap Marvel the next.
Or Wonderwoman.
And the fact that Thor had to have a powerup to even damage Thanos, is telling.
Thor is a peer of Superman.
Dumb Drax is a peer of Superman.
Surfer is a peer of Superman.None of these people beat Thanos, barring the latest appearance of Drax, where it's alluded to that he's the Silver bullet to the Werewolf of Thanos.
The records can't be compared.
What, and you don't think Darkseid has a history of trashing top tiers physically either? Pshaw!
Superman's top tier with transcendent level feats... a paradox, no?
Wonder Woman has never stalemated Superman physically. The best showing she's had against him still has her being punched from the sun to Earth. The best Superman has done against her... she ended up dead with her neck snapped.
Captain Marvel's top feats sure has hell don't compare to Superman's. Sure, they've stalemated each other in strength before. However, put Billy inside Mageddon with him attempting to turn the millwheels, and what do you think would happen? Crazy feats like those are reserved for DC's #1 hero. You and I both know who's more powerful between the two of them.
Superman's recent owning of Despero can attest to this, since Despero has owned many top tiers all at once.
Superman being able to hurt Darkseid with a punch isn't detrimental to his status. Rather, those showings are meant to depict exactly how strong Supes is.
Thor hurting Darkseid physically? Isn't happening.
Surfer hurting Darky physically? Please.
Lobo broke his hand trying to punch Darkseid. He's also been shown to be on Superman's level in terms of strength.
Darkseid being hurt by "top tiers" is specifically held only for Superman. Other top tiers haven't even fazed him physically.
So, either Superman's getting stronger, or his "peers" are getting weaker. Your choice.
Masterson Thor has punked Thanos before, and I wouldn't consider him a "peer" of Superman's.
I'd be interested in seeing how Marvel would have treated a fight between Sentry and Thanos.
Batdude.
Superman is first among his peers.
He's not above the top tier.
Too many showings where he's matched or beaten by another top tier contradict that stance.
And every top tier has showings where he outperforms his peers by various degrees. That isn't something that Superman has a monoply on.
He has more of these showings than anyone else in DC, but that doesn't extend to Marvel.
And i'd wager a hammer blow or toss from Thor would hurt Darkseid.
And iirc, the only time Thor ever looked better than Thanos, was when he was specifically powered up, with either the PG, or the Enchanted Armor and equipment, given by his father Odin.
Lets see what it takes to hurt Darkseid, ehh?
Him being hit with his own ultimate attack? Check.
Thus weakened, he gets pulped. Mate.
Thor or BRB, can easily redirect the OE and return it to his eyeknobs, and from there it's written in stone.
It'd be flatout denial to say they couldn't do so, when the hammers have done it many any time the wielders made the attempt, and the OE has been reflected a few a times despite what Darkseid wanted to happen.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Batdude.Superman is first among his peers.
He's not above the top tier.
Too many showings where he's matched or beaten by another top tier contradict that stance.
And every top tier has showings where he outperforms his peers by various degrees. That isn't something that Superman has a monoply on.
He has more of these showings than anyone else in DC, but that doesn't extend to Marvel.
And i'd wager a hammer blow or toss from Thor would hurt Darkseid.
And iirc, the only time Thor ever looked better than Thanos, was when he was specifically powered up, with either the PG, or the Enchanted Armor and equipment, given by his father Odin.
Lets see what it takes to hurt Darkseid, ehh?
Him being hit with his own ultimate attack? Check.
Thus weakened, he gets pulped. Mate.Thor or BRB, can easily redirect the OE and return it to his eyeknobs, and from there it's written in stone.
It'd be flatout denial to say they couldn't do so, when the hammers have done it many any time the wielders made the attempt, and the OE has been reflected a few a times despite what Darkseid wanted to happen.
You don't have to wield the power of the Source to deflect the OE.
Lets compare track records........
Hammerbros - absorb/deflect/reflect whatever they set their minds to.
OE - Has been proven to be fallible.
The Source was never mentioned either time it was deflected in recent memory.
Why do you keep chanting this if it holds no weight?
Originally posted by UniOmni
You don't have to wield the power of the Source to deflect the OE.Lets compare track records........
Hammerbros - absorb/deflect/reflect whatever they set their minds to.
OE - Has been proven to be fallible.
The Source was never mentioned either time it was deflected in recent memory.
Why do you keep chanting this if it holds no weight?
The AstroForce which fuels Orion's very existence is what deflected the OE, the AstroForce is the very power of the Source.
The OE has never been deflected accept by the Source itself.
Originally posted by Board Walker
The AstroForce which fuels Orion's very existence is what deflected the OE, the AstroForce is the very power of the Source.The OE has never been deflected accept by the Source itself.
Exactly. THe Astro Force is the Opposite of the OE and from the source as well. Thor and BRB are screwed becuz they can't deflect the finder beams.