Originally posted by h1a8I believe that's if the feat is clearly outside a character's power level or powerset, otherwise (eg) Thor's Godblast (which is very infrequent) could be considered PIS. But I could be wrong about my interpretation of PIS. If you (or anyone) could post the official definition, it would be much appreciated. Regardless...
PIS was strictly defined by this forum some time ago. PIS is based off the statistical number of occurences of the spectacular feat (or of similar ones).
SS has no other occurences of this nanosecond type of feat but many many others that contradict it. Superman on the other hand has some events that contradict (as do all characters) his feats but he has many many that back them up.IMO, that's a convenient interpretation that many would disagree with. Sometimes one also has to read between the lines to infer a character's abilities, especially if they have an open powerset. For example: most people (even Superman fans) seem to agree that in flight speed the Surfer is faster. The Surfer would not be able to manage attack and defense at these extreme speeds unless he had the appropriate neural perception-reaction time (this is why in us ordinary mortals, reflex and running speed are roughly equivalent, about 20mph). Also, the Surfer is generally not explicitly shown reacting at superspeed because 1) it's not a signature move for him as much as Superman; and 2) the Surfer's already capable of so much that he is often shown under-reacting to keep a story going. This is why Superman often has low showings or how Flash comics can be more than 1 page long.
Thus Superman's are not PIS and SS's are.
As Juntai stated quite appropriately...
Originally posted by Juntai
It's always hard to make things conclusive in threads with characters on this scale.
Hell I have two Superman issues. One were he struggles to throw a missle another where he has trouble fighting a guy who uses the strength of the ocean against him.
On ignore you go 🙂
And pretty much all the other posts 'trying' to support Silver Surfer are either useless or have repeated what has already been said and countered.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Reported.
Whats that gonna do? Im being completely logical but im going on ignore? While other people who think that SS win are not, obvoulsy you are just being a ****.
Hell I dont even think Juntai neccesarily thinks Superman wins either, why dont you put him on ignore as well.
Surfer, has all the tools needed to exploit supermans weakness. He has so many ways to take supes out. On the other hand ive read arguments saying that superman also has the tools to take the surfer out( tools being strength and what not) therefore making the fight even. Now this is a clear example of an argument based on pure sentiment without actually looking at the power bases of the two characters. Indeed surfer has struggled physically against characters like thor and the hulk. However to say that because of this he is weak against physical beings like superman is mighty short sighted. Comics were surfer even gets into physical fights with those physically superior are classic examples of bad writing because with ss wide array of powers he should not evn need to get into physical fights. Therefore talk of superman exploiting ss so called weakness is ridiculous. IF this kind of argument is valid then the hulk would also have a good chance against surfer by "exploitimg his weakness". People seem to forget that the surfer is just as if not more durable than superman and that taking him out by clobbering him would not be easy at all. Hell the surfer could even put up a forcefield to block supes from pounding him while he messes with supermans enrgy.
Really the only way supes could actually win is by knocking surfer out before the surfer has time to destroy him. Howver, for the surfer to navigate at lightspeeds , he must have nano second reaction times or he would have been mush( or at least crash regularly). Everyone knows that the surfer holds back alot and so him not speed blitzing people regularly in battle is because he does not need to. Imagine a comic where coupled with all the other ways ss can beat hulk he decides to attack him at light speed as well( would not be very interesting) Even superman speed blitzez only when he is real trouble as he would rather slug it out with those much slower than him.
Surfer is almost on par with superman physically and outclasses him in every other departmnt( most departments that supes does not evn have). In comparison to the surfer ,superman is extremly one dimensional and can only win if surfer slips up and decides to slug it out, if not surfer should win almost every time
Originally posted by Mindship
I believe that's if the feat is clearly outside a character's power level or powerset, otherwise (eg) Thor's Godblast (which is very infrequent) could be considered PIS. But I could be wrong about my interpretation of PIS. If you (or anyone) could post the official definition, it would be much appreciated. Regardless...IMO, that's a convenient interpretation that many would disagree with. Sometimes one also has to read between the lines to infer a character's abilities, especially if they have an open powerset. For example: most people (even Superman fans) seem to agree that in flight speed the Surfer is faster. The Surfer would not be able to manage attack and defense at these extreme speeds unless he had the appropriate neural perception-reaction time (this is why in us ordinary mortals, reflex and running speed are roughly equivalent, about 20mph). Also, the Surfer is generally not explicitly shown reacting at superspeed because 1) it's not a signature move for him as much as Superman; and 2) the Surfer's already capable of so much that he is often shown under-reacting to keep a story going. This is why Superman often has low showings or how Flash comics can be more than 1 page long.
Exactly, for the surfer to navigate at light speeds he needs to hve roughly equivalent reaction times.
As Juntai stated quite appropriately...
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Whats that gonna do? Im being completely logical but im going on ignore? While other people who think that SS win are not, obvoulsy you are just being a ****.Hell I dont even think Juntai neccesarily thinks Superman wins either, why dont you put him on ignore as well.
Completly Logical ? No.
You think I'm putting you on ignore because you don't agree with me ? No, actually I'm putting you because of the arguments you've presented in this thread, aswell as other threads. I've seen that you don't have the capability to debate properly.
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Completly Logical ? No.You think I'm putting you on ignore because you don't agree with me ? No, actually I'm putting you because of the arguments you've presented in this thread, aswell as other threads. I've seen that you don't have the capability to debate properly.
Absolute nonsense. The point is simple Supermans showings are not always uber, so dont assume that he can beat SS. Both SS and Superman have high and low showings that prove they can beat each other, therefore they get a 5/10 split.
If you consider that to be illogical and worthy of putting on ignore go ahead.
Heh, at saying that surfer is weak to physical force just because some people can post scans of surfer getting punched.
In that case superman is weak to physical force as well. Hes been punched by pretty much everyone in the DC universe. I guess he has another weakness.😬
He has also shown getting blasted by alot of characters. Um, another weakness right (energy blast of all sorts).
Add, gas station explosions, glass bottles, radioactive plants, giant insects, ect.
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Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Surfer having nano-seconds reaction time just because he doesn't crash into things at that speed ? Another example of bad logic.
. That is the only plausible way for him to perform his straight speed feats. It is only logical as to move at that speed you need to be able to react at that speed or else. IF he had the poor reaction times that some of you claim, then he would not be able to trave from place to place at that speed
Originally posted by ultimatethor
. That is the only plausible way for him to perform his straight speed feats. It is only logical as to move at that speed you need to be able to react at that speed or else. IF he had the poor reaction times that some of you claim, then he would not be able to trave from place to place at that speed
Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
On ignore you go 🙂And pretty much all the other posts 'trying' to support Silver Surfer are either useless or have repeated what has already been said and countered.
🙄 Hell I even posted a scan with SS talking about reacting in nanoseconds but apparently I cant debate.