Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by ultimatethor
. That is the only plausible way for him to perform his straight speed feats. It is only logical as to move at that speed you need to be able to react at that speed or else. IF he had the poor reaction times that some of you claim, then he would not be able to trave from place to place at that speed

But this -is- comics I guess, everyone has nano-second reactions times. How do you think Batgirl can dodge bullets after they're fired, inches from her face.
lol.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
. That is the only plausible way for him to perform his straight speed feats. It is only logical as to move at that speed you need to be able to react at that speed or else. IF he had the poor reaction times that some of you claim, then he would not be able to trave from place to place at that speed

He has senses that enable him to detect objects and energies from lightyears away.

He can also phase through matter.

Not to mention it's no that hard to avoid planets 😬

I was not refering to navigating at high speed I was refering to dodging. 🙄 Like I said I even had a scan if him talking about reacting in nanoseconds....wow illogical.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I was not refering to navigating at high speed I was refering to dodging. 🙄 Like I said I even had a scan if him talking about reacting in nanoseconds....wow illogical.

Originally posted by Juntai
You'll notice those replies were to what Ultimatethor said.
He was refering to flying at high speed.

At any rate still doesnt change the fact it is a logical argument. Anyway here were the scans I posted.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If you look in the SS thread there are examples of him showing superspeed reflexes.

I also think that the guy was saying that if you have to move around at top speed you must have fast reflexes and hence can use them in combat.

This for starters.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg

and this...mentions nanoseconds.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg

Its not merely flying its combat as Erik said dodging planets is not hard, this is a different situation.

Originally posted by Mindship

IMO, that's a convenient interpretation that many would disagree with. Sometimes one also has to read between the lines to infer a character's abilities, especially if they have an open powerset. For example: most people (even Superman fans) seem to agree that in flight speed the Surfer is faster. The Surfer would not be able to manage attack and defense at these extreme speeds unless he had the appropriate neural perception-reaction time (this is why in us ordinary mortals, reflex and running speed are roughly equivalent, about 20mph). Also, the Surfer is generally not explicitly shown reacting at superspeed because 1) it's not a signature move for him as much as Superman; and 2) the Surfer's already capable of so much that he is often shown under-reacting to keep a story going. This is why Superman often has low showings or how Flash comics can be more than 1 page long.

As Juntai stated quite appropriately...

Thor's has no feats which contradict him having a Godblast. So that is different than Surfer. You can not find any character anywhere that has an supposed power in their power set that hasn't ever shown it and have nothing but contradictory feats going against it.

Now Surfer travels through hyperspace when he's traveling FTL. In this state he cannot causate with the outer plane of existence. That means while he is in hyperspace he cannot attack nor needs to defend himself from anything outside of hyperspace. Thus that is why
there exists no scan showing SS attacking or defending traveling FTL.

Now humans and other fictitious characters have guided starships many times traveling at warp speeds throughout the galaxy (even when running and maneuvering from a threat). Do they have nanosecond reaction times? No! Jet fighters can travel and maneuver at speeds beyond that of a bullet and sound but they don't have bullet reactions.
The human torch can fly and maneuver at speeds in excess of the speed of sound and can stop on a dime but only has peak human reactions. That is why travel speed is not combat speed.

Lastly, Spider-man has pre-cog which is faster than nanosecond reaction time (he can respond before someone with nanosecond reaction time) but Spider-man cannot move his body parts fast enough to avoid Superman. The same is with SS (he cannot move his body fast enough). It takes SS a second or two to
reach lightspeed and beyond (or enter hyperspace) but below a second SS moves at speeds well below that of Superman. One scan (or two) shows him moving at bullet speeds max inside of 1 second. With that said, none of that has anything to do with his garbage reactions which compounds the problem.

Now don't get me wrong. SS does have superhuman reactions. But nanosecond ones? Based off the many SS comics I've read I'd have to say, "Hell no!"

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's has no feats which contradict him having a Godblast. So that is different than Surfer. You can not find any character anywhere that has an supposed power in their power set that hasn't ever shown it and have nothing but contradictory feats going against it.

Now Surfer travels through hyperspace when he's traveling FTL. In this state he cannot causate with the outer plane of existence. That means while he is in hyperspace he cannot attack nor needs to defend himself from anything outside of hyperspace. Thus that is why
there exists no scan showing SS attacking or defending traveling FTL.

Now humans and other fictitious characters have guided starships many times traveling at warp speeds throughout the galaxy (even when running and maneuvering from a threat). Do they have nanosecond reaction times? No! Jet fighters can travel and maneuver at speeds beyond that of a bullet and sound but they don't have bullet reactions.
The human torch can fly and maneuver at speeds in excess of the speed of sound and can stop on a dime but only has peak human reactions. That is why travel speed is not combat speed.

Lastly, Spider-man has pre-cog which is faster than nanosecond reaction time (he can respond before someone with nanosecond reaction time) but Spider-man cannot move his body parts fast enough to avoid Superman. The same is with SS (he cannot move his body fast enough). It takes SS a second or two to
reach lightspeed and beyond (or enter hyperspace) but below a second SS moves at speeds well below that of Superman. One scan (or two) shows him moving at bullet speeds max inside of 1 second. With that said, none of that has anything to do with his garbage reactions which compounds the problem.

Now don't get me wrong. SS does have superhuman reactions. But nanosecond ones? Based off the many SS comics I've read I'd have to say, "Hell no!"

You really don't read much Silver Surfer huh? 😂

I've seen too many reports over this thread. Let's keep the name calling, flaming, bashing, blah, blah, blah under control. Please remember that these are only comics. Thank you.

Originally posted by LeAtHerRFace
I dont know much about Silver Surfer, but its said that he can find the weakest point of anything, then touch it and it is destroyed. So I'll have to go with SS.

The thread starter never said the fight takes place in DC. Since this fight takes place in a neutral universe Kryptonite is moot since it won't effect Superman anyway. Only Kryptonite from his universe will work. Red sun radiation is sketchy. That is not common knowledge to the general population of the DCU.

I have seen things like T Vo an energy absorption thrown around with no real proof either will work given the power-sets of SS and Supes. I don't know of any instance where Superman has used T Vo on a being with cosmic awareness and I don't see SS having the time to absorb energy before Superman is on him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor's has no feats which contradict him having a Godblast.

Now Surfer travels through hyperspace when he's traveling FTL. In this state he cannot causate with the outer plane of existence. That means while he is in hyperspace he cannot attack nor needs to defend himself from anything outside of hyperspace.

Now humans and other fictitious characters have guided starships many times traveling at warp speeds throughout the galaxy (even when running and maneuvering from a threat). Do they have nanosecond reaction times? No! Jet fighters can travel and maneuver at speeds beyond that of a bullet and sound but they don't have bullet reactions.
The human torch can fly and maneuver at speeds in excess of the speed of sound and can stop on a dime but only has peak human reactions. That is why travel speed is not combat speed.

Originally posted by Badabing
I've seen too many reports over this thread. Let's keep the name calling, flaming, bashing, blah, blah, blah under control. Please remember that these are only comics. Thank you.

The thread starter never said the fight takes place in DC. Since this fight takes place in a neutral universe Kryptonite is moot since it won't effect Superman anyway. Only Kryptonite from his universe will work. Red sun radiation is sketchy. That is not common knowledge to the general population of the DCU.

I have seen things like T Vo an energy absorption thrown around with no real proof either will work given the power-sets of SS and Supes. I don't know of any instance where Superman has used T Vo on a being with cosmic awareness and I don't see SS having the time to absorb energy before Superman is on him.

Bada, Superman is still vulnerable to the radiation given off by Kryptonite. All it is, is a wavelength of energy. It has been shown numerous times where the presence of kryptonite affected him, without having to be touched by it. That's on-panel. Each Superman is affected by Kryptonite and it's radiation of their respective universes, and one universe's Kryptonite won't affect another universe's Superman since the various universes in DC lie on top of each other in varying degrees of vibration. They are overlayed on top of one another. So it makes sense that Kryptonite from one universe won't affect another universe's Superman. That being said, it doesn't make them immune somehow to the radiation energy signature of their respective universe's Kryptonite, if they are in another universe or reality.

Surfer can see the entire band of energy, it's on the things he's best at, he can track spaceships that travelled through an area of empty space weeks ago and figure out where they were headed. He can see things that happened through time itself. He literally scanned all of the entire Marvel universe, it was stated. He examined all of Marvel Earth in an instant in another panel. So his energy reading and detecting skills and abilities are top notch. It's why he was able to see gladiator's energy weakness right off the bat with a single glance.

It's perfectly logical therefore to state that Surfer given his energy detection ability would see that Superman's bio aura had a weakness to both red sun radiation as well as the energy emitted from Kryptonite.

Originally posted by Kutulu

Surfer can see the entire band of energy, it's on the things he's best at, he can track spaceships that travelled through an area of empty space weeks ago and figure out where they were headed. He can see things that happened through time itself. He literally scanned all of the entire Marvel universe, it was stated. He examined all of Marvel Earth in an instant in another panel. So his energy reading and detecting skills and abilities are top notch. It's why he was able to see gladiator's energy weakness right off the bat with a single glance.

It's perfectly logical therefore to state that Surfer given his energy detection ability would see that Superman's bio aura had a weakness to both red sun radiation as well as the energy emitted from Kryptonite.

Surfer used this technique when figthing Midnight Sun. Its a viable option. Could have used it on glads etc etc.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Bada, Superman is still vulnerable to the radiation given off by Kryptonite. All it is, is a wavelength of energy. It has been shown numerous times where the presence of kryptonite affected him, without having to be touched by it. That's on-panel. Each Superman is affected by Kryptonite and it's radiation of their respective universes, and one universe's Kryptonite won't affect another universe's Superman since the various universes in DC lie on top of each other in varying degrees of vibration. They are overlayed on top of one another. So it makes sense that Kryptonite from one universe won't affect another universe's Superman. That being said, it doesn't make them immune somehow to the radiation energy signature of their respective universe's Kryptonite, if they are in another universe or reality.

Surfer can see the entire band of energy, it's on the things he's best at, he can track spaceships that travelled through an area of empty space weeks ago and figure out where they were headed. He can see things that happened through time itself. He literally scanned all of the entire Marvel universe, it was stated. He examined all of Marvel Earth in an instant in another panel. So his energy reading and detecting skills and abilities are top notch. It's why he was able to see gladiator's energy weakness right off the bat with a single glance.

It's perfectly logical therefore to state that Surfer given his energy detection ability would see that Superman's bio aura had a weakness to both red sun radiation as well as the energy emitted from Kryptonite.

You're assuming that Superman will give SS the time to scan him for weaknesses. 😉

Originally posted by Badabing
All throughout the 52 and Countdown arcs, it's been stated that K Nite must be from the same universe as Superman. Given that this is a neutral universe, SS won't have access to K Nite from Superman's universe....unless you can prove it. 😊

You want me to prove that the presence of K-nite affects Superman?

Because if that's all you need, that's easy.

Originally posted by Badabing
All throughout the 52 and Countdown arcs, it's been stated that K Nite must be from the same universe as Superman. Given that this is a neutral universe, SS won't have access to K Nite from Superman's universe....unless you can prove it. 😊

Red sun radiation. Plus he has other options as well he generally **** with peoples powers like he did with Firelord.

Look at the above image. Notice the use of the word radiation.

Another example: notice how the mere presence of Kryptonite is causing Superman pain. That's because it emits radiation. Silver Surfer can replicate any radiation. He's not even touching Superman with the Kryptonite.

There also this option as well and thats got nothing to do with K-nite or even red sun radiation.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9910/silversurfer198901921ts2.jpg

This option as well:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There also this option as well and thats got nothing to do with K-nite or even red sun radiation.

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9910/silversurfer198901921ts2.jpg

Originally posted by Kutulu
This option as well:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1996_122_17.jpg

Originally posted by Badabing
This is much better than the nuh uh, yuh huh debates that were happening earlier. I hope this thread is back on track and I don't get any more reports. durfist

Hey man I wasnt nuh uh nothing, that aint got nothing to do with me....just saying.