surfer is just to powerful and has to many ways to beat superman whereas superman only has one way of beating the surfer which he might not even be that fast to do (even though superman is fast). Superman has great light speed but havent shown to many combat speed feats to put him on levels above surfer.
You all are making it sound like he is fighting like goku when he hasnt shown anything in that department yet.
When superman fight like this, then I would believe that he has combat speed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzCj3kSK1pI but until then my mind is made up and he still has great flight speed but no combat speed. Now watch someone put up a scan of him fighting the imperex probe, something that didnt possess any kind of speed and something that even spiderman could run circles around.
Silver surfer get the majority but it would be a good fight.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Silver Surfer vs Superman
Originally posted by BadabingYour assuming that the Surfer cant fight back. Plus on kmc everyone has knowledge about their opponent before the fight.
All throughout the 52 and Countdown arcs, it's been stated that K Nite must be from the same universe as Superman. Given that this is a neutral universe, SS won't have access to K Nite from Superman's universe....unless you can prove it. 😊You're assuming that Superman will give SS the time to scan him for weaknesses. 😉
Superman can hit him first because the Surfer aint going down here.
Originally posted by Soljer
The presence of New-Earth kryptonite, sure. The presence of E-2, E-12, E-15 Kryptonite? Not so much.
The point I am making is that the radiation itself from the Kryptonite causes Superman great pain and weakness, as I've shown through the scan which offers on-panel evidence backing me up.
Let me try and explain it in terms of frequencies, let's take the visible spectrum for instance.
Say for example you are only affected by purple. You can see other frequencies that do not affect you, only purple affects you. So in the area of 330 thru 370 nm you are affected.
Now, a different version of you in a parallel universe might be affected by purple, but in his universe instead of 430 nm thru 470 nm, due to a slight change in the constants surrounding the laws of physics, purple might actually be 880 nm thru 860 nm. So if you had travelled to the universe where the 430 nm wavelength was purple from the universe where 880 nm was purple, you wouldn't actually be able to see the color at all as it exists beyond the upper limit of what your vision allows you to see.
In the same manner, DC's various universes co-exist on top of each other, separated by vibrational frequencies in matter. So in other words, Kryptonite from one universe has a different vibrational frequency and radiation emission wavelength than Kryptonite from another parallel universe.
So let's say Superman-1 travels to Superman-2's universe and encounters Kryptonite - it would do nothing, since the vibrational frequency of the Kryptonite wouldn't match the weakness in Superman-1's energy signature. That doesn't make Superman immune to Kryptonite in general, it only confers immunity to that universe's version of Kryptonite because the radiation which it emits is on an entirely separate frequency. To further the point, if Superman-1 would travel back to his own universe, he would be once again affected by his own universe's version of Kryptonite.
Originally posted by KutuluDo you have scans of this science proving to be true in DC, or are you just speculating?
The point I am making is that the radiation itself from the Kryptonite causes Superman great pain and weakness, as I've shown through the scan which offers on-panel evidence backing me up.Let me try and explain it in terms of frequencies, let's take the visible spectrum for instance.
Say for example you are only affected by purple. You can see other frequencies that do not affect you, only purple affects you. So in the area of 330 thru 370 nm you are affected.
Now, a different version of you in a parallel universe might be affected by purple, but in his universe instead of 430 nm thru 470 nm, due to a slight change in the constants surrounding the laws of physics, purple might actually be 880 nm thru 860 nm. So if you had travelled to the universe where the 430 nm wavelength was purple from the universe where 880 nm was purple, you wouldn't actually be able to see the color at all as it exists beyond the upper limit of what your vision allows you to see.
In the same manner, DC's various universes co-exist on top of each other, separated by vibrational frequencies in matter. So in other words, Kryptonite from one universe has a different vibrational frequency and radiation emission wavelength than Kryptonite from another parallel universe.
So let's say Superman-1 travels to Superman-2's universe and encounters Kryptonite - it would do nothing, since the vibrational frequency of the Kryptonite wouldn't match the weakness in Superman-1's energy signature. [b]That doesn't make Superman immune to Kryptonite in general, it only confers immunity to that universe's version of Kryptonite because the radiation which it emits is on an entirely separate frequency.
To further the point, if Superman-1 would travel back to his own universe, he would be once again affected by his own universe's version of Kryptonite. [/B]
--Continued from above--
Now due to Superman being affected always by his own universe's version of Kryptonite (and it's radiation signature wavelength), that means that Superman of whatever universe he is from will forever suffer ill effects from that radiation itself. In other words, using energy wavelength alteration, Surfer would be able to condition his energy blasts such that it would be the equivalent of pure Kryptonite radiation.
Instead of just being a small, mild amount that was normally given off by a small rock, it would be a cosmically fueled blast of radiation which would be several orders of magnitude over what was normally given off by even a hefty amount of that Superman's Kryptonite.
How can Surfer do that? The same way that he could defeat Gladiator; he knew instantly from looking at Gladiator that he had an energy signature which was susceptable to attack. Surfer has a long and established history of energy wavelength alteration and emission, such that it would seem like child's play to him to do. His cosmic sense can see every different wavelength of energy, it's how he can track a starship that flew through a section of space in hyperspace that passed by weeks ago.
I rest my case.
Originally posted by JuntaiHe doesn't have to. He only has to match the radiation to Superman's structure ala Gladiator.
Do you have scans of this science proving to be true in DC, or are you just speculating?
And even humoring the idea, do you have proof that Surfer can take a specific and rare type of radiation, and make it match various universal vibrational frequencies?
Edit: Acrosurge = pwned by Kutulu
Originally posted by Juntai
Do you have scans of this science proving to be true in DC, or are you just speculating?
And even humoring the idea, do you have proof that Surfer can take a specific and rare type of radiation, and make it match various universal vibrational frequencies?
I posted a scan earlier in the thread that showed very specifically that it was the radiation given off by Kryptonite in it's various forms which hurt Superman. It's not the matter, it's the energy given off by the matter.