Originally posted by darthgooberThat also took place in a story with intertwined Universes, making their vibrational frequencies the same.
If Radioactive Man can create K-nite that hurts Supes, I see no reason why Surfer couldn't since Surfer's ability to manipulate energy trumps RM's by a fair share...
Originally posted by darthgooberEh, I'll do what I do with or without you participating. 🙂 I'm debating for Superman more-so from the position that I'm confident Surfer couldn't handle a character of his class without effort like some people think, rather than from the position I think Superman crushes Surfer. I'm not irrational. In fact, the few people arguing closer to the middle, as myself, seem to be the rational ones here.
Here and there. I see you've been having fun in this thread during my sabbatical...
I saw one of the people on the other side making up their own science.
And another that compared Surfer vs Superman and Galactus vs Superman, as if it were a similar contest.
Let alone several other times cards got pulled.
Needless to say, debating my end is a walk in a park against inferior minds.
And welcome back, buddy.
In regards to questions of whether Surfer has done this in the past, as far as manipulating energy in unique ways which take advantage of various beings, the resounding answer is "yes he has".
Examples:
Causes Jack of Hearts pain by manipulating his internal energy source:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Cosmic_Powers_Unlimited_03_21.jpg
Exercises control of Quasar's energy construct:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg
Absorbs and redirects the energy of psycho man:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_144_06.jpg
Absorbs and redirects the energy from a giant red star:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Homecoming47.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Homecoming48.jpg
Absorbs and controls the energy of the central Oa battery (non-canon):
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GL_SS_UA_-_0046.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GL_SS_UA_-_0047.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/GL_SS_UA_-_0048.jpg
Sees into the past present and future:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_138_06.jpg
Scans through the entire electromagnetic spectrum searching for Thanos:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-02.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_037-03.jpg
Analyzes the Hulk's energies by getting close:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_1997_125_15.jpg
Sees energy that allows him to track space pirates:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/silver_surfer_1988_011_11.jpg
Feels a being through a dimensional rift:
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/X-men_Unlimited_13-29.jpg
Views electromagnetic energy of marine life:
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6009/silversurfann199000314sg2.jpg
Sees Gladiator's weakness by merely glancing at him:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/998/galactusthedevourer518no4.jpg
Detects an invisible craft:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7687/silversurfer0214dr7.jpg
Senses specific details about people:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5489/cospowunlim199600411no5.jpg
Senses Vortex from another level of reality:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1824/silversurfer199713406ts7.jpg
In conclusion he has the proper skillset and abilities coupled with experience from past usage of doing exactly that - manipulating energy - to take full advantage of ANY version of Superman from ANY universe. The only exception to this would be if that universe's Superman could manipulate the weakness to Kryptonite or seal it up at all; example being Christopher Kent (from Arena) would be one of the only Superman I can think of that would be capable of something like that.
Originally posted by Juntai
That also took place in a story with intertwined Universes, making their vibrational frequencies the same.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Thus it's a perfect example of a "neutral" universe because everything is in effect for everyone with no one universe having a distinct advantage over the other. And in that type of universe Marvel energy manipulators can make K-nite that hurts Supes successfully 😄 .
^^ Exactly. It's the same reason why Flash can use the speed force in Arena battles.
Originally posted by Juntai
Eh, I'll do what I do with or without you participating. 🙂 I'm debating for Superman more-so from the position that I'm confident Surfer couldn't handle a character of his class without effort like some people think, rather than from the position I think Superman crushes Surfer. I'm not irrational. In fact, the few people arguing closer to the middle, as myself, seem to be the rational ones here.I saw one of the people on the other side making up their own science.
And another that compared Surfer vs Superman and Galactus vs Superman, as if it were a similar contest.
Let alone several other times cards got pulled.Needless to say, debating my end is a walk in a park against inferior minds.
And welcome back, buddy.
There are other characters within DC continuity who have taken advantage of Superman's weaknesses to various wavelengths of energy; the big one I can think of off of the top of my head is when Dr. Polaris had Superman lying on the ground crippled by manipulating his energy. This shows conclusively that it's within DC continuity for this effect to occur to Superman.
Surfer is the consumate master energy manipulator; he could replicate such a feat with ease:
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolarisvssuperman7lw1.jpg
Originally posted by darthgoober👆
Thus it's a perfect example of a "neutral" universe because everything is in effect for everyone with no one universe having a distinct advantage over the other. And in that type of universe Marvel energy manipulators can make K-nite that hurts Supes successfully 😄 .
Originally posted by KutuluWow....look how easily Superman was dealt with.
There are other characters within DC continuity who have taken advantage of Superman's weaknesses to various wavelengths of energy; the big one I can think of off of the top of my head is when Dr. Polaris had Superman lying on the ground crippled by manipulating his energy. This shows conclusively that it's within DC continuity for this effect to occur to Superman.Surfer is the consumate master energy manipulator; he could replicate such a feat with ease:
http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drpolarisvssuperman7lw1.jpg
Originally posted by darthgooberCertainly a respectful point of view from a real Surfer fan, and not a fanboy. I myself am a fan of Surfer, I just don't think he's what some of these other guys do.
Oh I'm not one of those that's of the opinion that it would be a stomp because of the way both characters fight, I just see Surfer as being tailor made to take down Supes eventually.
Hal and John would be beaten pdq by Surfer, on his way to slaughtering Flash. let's say Surfer changes every molecule of his body into Kryptonite, whilst twisting Flash's head off at 100x C... causing Superman to double-over in spasms. thus the 'fight' beginsor 10/10 STOMP, bla bla bla.
People think I'm ignorant about Surfer in this thread, but I actually own or have read from friends quite a lot of Surfer, which I've discussed with you previously. For instance, just last week I got the final issue of Surfer's current mini In The Name. Probably one of few in the thread.
Originally posted by Juntai
Certainly a respectful point of view from a real Surfer fan, and not a fanboy. I myself am a fan of Surfer, I just don't think he's what some of these other guys do.or 10/10 STOMP, bla bla bla.
People think I'm ignorant about Surfer in this thread, but I actually own or have read from friends quite a lot of Surfer, which I've discussed with you previously. For instance, just last week I got the final issue of Surfer's current mini In The Name. Probably one of few in the thread.
I have personally shown you scans of:
* Superman being affected by radiation from several different wavelengths which caused him to be crippled: various Kryptonite, Dr. Polaris, etc.
* Surfer absorbing, redirecting, creating, and sensing different wavelengths. It's on-panel that he can literally see every single electromagnetic wavelength. He has even used it before against Jack of Hearts, Quasar, and threated Gladiator with it.
Do you still deny that Surfer would take advantage of Superman's various weaknesses to different energy forms Juntai?
Originally posted by Juntai
Certainly a respectful point of view from a real Surfer fan, and not a fanboy. I myself am a fan of Surfer, I just don't think he's what some of these other guys do.or 10/10 STOMP, bla bla bla.
People think I'm ignorant about Surfer in this thread, but I actually own or have read from friends quite a lot of Surfer, which I've discussed with you previously. For instance, just last week I got the final issue of Surfer's current mini In The Name. Probably one of few in the thread.
So what'd you think of In Thy Name overall?
Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand your frustration. The problem is that people see the "Everyone fights to the best of their ability" stipulation in the rules and gets so exited they glaze over the "but still in character" clause and turn the debates into discussions of power sets rather than the actual characters.So what'd you think of In Thy Name overall?
Surfer manipulates energy sources and takes advantage of electromagnetic spectrum weaknesses as part of his character, and has precedents for doing so.
Originally posted by KutuluI never claimed it was impossible. Nor did I suggest he couldn't. You however, never adressed any of my points in the thread in a satisfactory manner, and even made up your own psuedo-science to try to prove a point. Making continually reading your posts more and more of an endeavor.
I have personally shown you scans of:
* Superman being affected by radiation from several different wavelengths which caused him to be crippled: various Kryptonite, Dr. Polaris, etc.
* Surfer absorbing, redirecting, creating, and sensing different wavelengths. It's on-panel that he can literally see every single electromagnetic wavelength. He has even used it before against Jack of Hearts, Quasar, and threated Gladiator with it.Do you still deny that Surfer would take advantage of Superman's various weaknesses to different energy forms Juntai?
Originally posted by psycho gundamKutulu soloed this thread. No one and I repeat no one has had one single retort to anything he said and posted. Superman dies badly. Kutulu for the win. 🙂
kutulu is my hero, he single-handedly proved how an energy manipulator can dismantle kal-el. surfer is one of the best energy manipulators in comics, plus he could slug it out with superman if need be.
Originally posted by darthgooberBefore I spoil anything, did you read it yourself?
I understand your frustration. The problem is that people see the "Everyone fights to the best of their ability" stipulation in the rules and gets so exited they glaze over the "but still in character" clause and turn the debates into discussions of power sets rather than the actual characters.So what'd you think of In Thy Name overall?
Originally posted by Kutulu
Surfer manipulates energy sources and takes advantage of electromagnetic spectrum weaknesses as part of his character, and has precedents for doing so.
