Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by Kutulu
I have personally shown you scans of:
* Superman being affected by radiation from several different wavelengths which caused him to be crippled: various Kryptonite, Dr. Polaris, etc.
* Surfer absorbing, redirecting, creating, and sensing different wavelengths. It's on-panel that he can literally see every single electromagnetic wavelength. He has even used it before against Jack of Hearts, Quasar, and threated Gladiator with it.

Do you still deny that Surfer would take advantage of Superman's various weaknesses to different energy forms Juntai?

I think that the scans that you put up along with your debates have been very good and convincing but it is very hard to convince a fan that one of there characters cant beat another character, especially superman fans.

Originally posted by Juntai
I never claimed it was impossible. Nor did I suggest he couldn't. You however, never adressed any of my points in the thread in a satisfactory manner, and even made up your own psuedo-science to try to prove a point. Making continually reading your posts more and more of an endeavor.

Psuedo-science? I used on-panel evidence from DC's very own comic pages. They specifically use the term "radiation" when referring to Kryptonites' affect on Superman. That's on-panel. Explain how me showing an actual copy of the electromagnetic spectrum (you know - the real one that actual science uses) along with explanations of wavelengths, and on-panel canon scans from DC showing Superman's weakness, combined with on-panel depictions of Silver Surfer doing that very same thing, is psuedo-science?

Originally posted by Juntai
Slugging it out with Superman would be a bad idea.

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I think that the scans that you put up along with your debates have been very good and convincing but it is very hard to convince a fan that one of there characters cant beat another character, especially superman fans.

Originally posted by Juntai
Before I spoil anything, did you read it yourself?

Originally posted by jmcnasty
I think that the scans that you put up along with your debates have been very good and convincing but it is very hard to convince a fan that one of there characters cant beat another character, especially superman fans.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Psuedo-science? I used on-panel evidence from DC's very own comic pages. They specifically use the term "radiation" when referring to Kryptonites' affect on Superman. That's on-panel. Explain how me showing an actual copy of the electromagnetic spectrum (you know - the real one that actual science uses) along with explanations of wavelengths, and on-panel canon scans from DC showing Superman's weakness, combined with on-panel depictions of Silver Surfer doing that very same thing, is psuedo-science?

Say for example you are only affected by purple. You can see other frequencies that do not affect you, only purple affects you. So in the area of 330 thru 370 nm you are affected.

Now, a different version of you in a parallel universe might be affected by purple, but in his universe instead of 430 nm thru 470 nm, due to a slight change in the constants surrounding the laws of physics, purple might actually be 880 nm thru 860 nm. So if you had travelled to the universe where the 430 nm wavelength was purple from the universe where 880 nm was purple, you wouldn't actually be able to see the color at all as it exists beyond the upper limit of what your vision allows you to see.

Damn bottem of the page...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yes he does, but he doesn't do it all the time. By the same token, Thor doesn't always transport someone to another dimension and Supes doesn't always speedblitz. Surfer DOES use his energy manipulation to play upon any specific weaknesses or vulnerabilities that his opponents might have far more often than most and I fully credit him with that, but it's not a card he normally plays early on in the match which is why I credit Supes with being able to pull a few wins.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Have you forgotten who you're talking to? Do you really see me NOT following a Surfer series 😆 .

^sure but alas, surfer 8/10

Originally posted by darthgoober
Damn bottem of the page...

Originally posted by darthgoober Yes he does, but he doesn't do it all the time. By the same token, Thor doesn't always transport someone to another dimension and Supes doesn't always speedblitz. Surfer DOES use his energy manipulation to play upon any specific weaknesses or vulnerabilities that his opponents might have far more often than most and I fully credit him with that, but it's not a card he normally plays early on in the match which is why I credit Supes with being able to pull a few wins.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Co-signed for eternal truth. Those on the far left or right will not be persuaded to change their opinions.

Originally posted by Juntai
Good thing I'm not on the far side then. 🙂 I've said my position many times. Surfer gets wins, Superman gets wins. Thinking it's a stomp in either direction just shows not knowing the two characters at all, even if they did study their powers in the respect thread.

Originally posted by Juntai
Good thing I'm not on the far side then. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you realize ho wmany times when there is a Hulk vs Superman thread that Superman fans say he speedblitzes for the win every single time. But on here since the Surfer doesnt do it every time then it isnt a ten out of ten thing. There are double standards on these forums and this is one of them. I hear all day about the speedblitz when he rarely does it but when someone says the Surfer manipulates energy he is suddenly penalized for it.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Perhaps you simply come across that way depending upon who you're debating! 🙂

finally, intelligent posts 😱

Originally posted by Juntai
Prove any of that trans-dimensional radiation facts being relivent to DC's Superman comic, or even true at all.

I have gone the extra mile to prove my point and backed it up with specific scans detailing everything I wrote. You on the other hand have yet to detail anything defending your own point, instead chose to hide behind statements of psuedo-science. I am not going to expend more effort into debating you unless you put a little more effort into backing up your side of the debate first.

* The arena is a neutral area where characters can affect each other.
* Superman can be crippled by many different forms of radiation and energy manipulation.
* the Surfer can see anything in the entire electromagnetic spectrum, and create / drain / manipulate / transform close any electromagnetic energy into any other electromagnetic energy, and to top it off has a past history of doing so.
* If what you state was true, than Surfer wouldn't have been able to hold in the energies of the central battery of Oa, or transform the city of Metropolis during the two crossovers between DC and Marvel. AFAIK the Metropolis incident was canon. Mxy himself was surprised by the level of ability that Surfer possessed. So you have an official canon comic book from the Surfer / Superman crossover that Surfer can in fact affect matter and energy from DC's universe.

In regards to psuedo-science, what exactly do you think comic books use? It was stated on-panel during Infinite Crisis and countdown to Final Crisis that the various universes within DC exist on top of the same space, just on different vibrational frequencies.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The fact that others do it too doesn't make it right. Those Supes fans are wrong for claiming Supes wins 10/10 because of a speedblitz so why emulate them? I can see wanting to point out the double standard as such in both threads(and I'd agree with you for doing so and have done so myself), but that's no reason to promote the double standard yourself. Think about it, by accepting that Surfer wins 10/10 due to weakness manipulation you're also validating the claims of Supes's fans who say he beats Hulk 10/10 because of the speedblitz...