Superman vs Silver surfer · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I guess wonderwoman, the hulk
namor, wonderman and any other physically extremely strong being also have what it takes to beat surfer right?

I support the Surfer in this fight - not for 10/10, but for a clear majority.

However...

The people you named don't compare to Superman in the slightest.

Mindset Senior Member

I think that quote was in reply to someone trying to say SS had a weakness to blunt trauma.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Mindset
I think that quote was in reply to someone trying to say SS had a weakness to blunt trauma.

*shrugs*

He's durable as a mother ****er, but he isn't 'immune.'

Mindset Senior Member

There is a difference between having a weakness to something and not being immune to it.

Superman can be affected by physical attacks also, but would you say he has a weakness to them?

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindship

In which case, to be consistent: if one is going to infer weakness, then one can infer strengths, such as nanosec/FTL reflexes, especially since said strength is logically consistent with the Surfer's open powerset and other demonstrated abilities. Plus, such reflexes have been demonstrated. Yes, explicitly shown only once, but that's more than an official Surfer weakness has ever been stated.
h1a8: With all due respect, your arguments work best when you stick with literal interpretations of on-panel events or explicitly stated facts.

I'm a very objective person. I have changed my views many times here when someone convinces me. The thing is I have read a lot of SS and I honestly can't give him uber reflexes and battle speed (ducking and moving limbs and such) without seeing it at least thrice (I haven't even seen it once). So there's nothing for me or anyone to infer from. If there were then I wouldn't be arguing here as I don't argue against the truth on purpose (no matter how much I like a character). And infering that SS has light speed reflexes and battle speed because he can navigate space at FTL speeds is a faulty inference.

Here's some facts:
1. SS has never traveled light speed or beyond outside of hyperspace.
So SS battling in space occurred at speeds less than light speed.
3. SS has never dodged a light speed attack after it was fired.
So we can't assume that he can.
4. It takes SS a second or two to reach light speed.
So Superman is faster than SS within the first second.

From what I've seen of Superman and SS I honestly feel Superman can blitz SS the first instant. And using logic, if Superman lands the first hit then he wins.

With that said, if you or someone here would show me undeniable evidence that SS has uber reflexes then I might give him the benefit of the doubt of winning some. Otherwise, I not going to give him Supeman level reflexes and instant battle speed from rest if it cannot be inferred anywhere. Sorry.

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by Avlon
If they met...they probably...wouldnt fight and would admire one anothers spirit...

I guess that's kinda what they did in their crossover.

Too bad. A fight would've been glorious.

Phantom Zone Junior Member

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
So, by the look on FO face you can decide he was going all out speed wise ? That's stupid

No its not your are failing to use your head. Your brain isnt just for crossing the road, try to read the information, and let it swish around in your brain for a bit instead of just rejecting it without any analysis.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

Of course FO was going fast, but there's fast and Fast. And it doesn't make any sense going light speed - or something like that - when you're opponent is 20 meters away from you.
You accuse me of seeing things black and white, but unlike you, I don't make wild assumptions based on expressions on opponents faces.
But it could be worse. There was even a KMC member who was convinced that FO was traveling light speed, because he "noticed that the stars on the very next panel were in a different position ".
That's when I reach for my revolver...

Yeah ok then a Boxers most powerful punch is for the sake of argument measurted at 50 killowatts. Het gets into a street fight where his life is in danger, he grits and snarls and throws a punch, guess how hard his punch is probably going to be.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy

PS : I even haven't mentioned the fact that no Thanos biography, or Thanos site, mentions him having superior reflexes. Even corvusonline, a great Thanos site with lots and lots of informations about Thanos and every single power he has, admits Thanos has no special reflexes.
Now who's thinking black and white ?

Yeah and Cap has enhanced senses never seen it mentioned in any bios...next!

Mindship Snap out of it.

Originally posted by h1a8
From what I've seen of Superman and SS I honestly feel Superman can blitz SS the first instant. And using logic, if Superman lands the first hit then he wins.

I understand and can appreciate the sincerity of your position. Basically, I was responding to ...

Originally posted by h1a8
SS's kryptonite is physical punches.

That is not a valid comparison. Any vulnerability SS has to physical attack would be simply because the attack is powerful enough to hurt him, not because of a special, kryptonite-like weakness.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mindship
Any vulnerability SS has to physical attack would be simply because the attack is powerful enough to hurt him, not because of a special, kryptonite-like weakness.

That is what I meant. I don't mean that any physical punch could hurt SS. But that those from super powerful guys seems to be his kryptonite.

Acrosurge Lumine Infinitus

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm a very objective person.

Not being nasty or anything, but no you are not. No one is objective

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's some facts:
1. SS has never traveled light speed or beyond outside of hyperspace.
So SS battling in space occurred at speeds less than light speed.
3. SS has never dodged a light speed attack after it was fired.
So we can't assume that he can.
4. It takes SS a second or two to reach light speed.
So Superman is faster than SS within the first second.

This is not fact. This your speculation. To make this fact, you must use scans that conclusively prove that Surfer has never traveled lightspeed outside hyperspace or that it takes him time to reach lightspeed. You have not used scans to prove this (and cannot because they do not exist) and, therefore, this remains your speculation. Not fact.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
That is what I meant. I don't mean that any physical punch could hurt SS. But that those from super powerful guys seems to be his kryptonite.

Not true. Surfer's taken Savage Hulk's and Bannerless Hulk's best shots with no ill effect, and withstood a pounding from Wonderman(while Norrin's Power Cosmic was spent) only to come back completely unharmed after he got his power back(which happened in mid beating).

Pretty much anytime you've seen Norrin(at full power) put down by by physical force, it wasn't through PURELY physical force. It always comes from the energy charged hands of Thanos or the magical hammer of Thor or something like that and those aren't things that Supes has access to in this fight...

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Thanos, SS, Thanos SS, OMG!!! <3

oh em gee!!

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not true. Surfer's taken Savage Hulk's and Bannerless Hulk's best shots with no ill effect, and withstood a pounding from Wonderman(while Norrin's Power Cosmic was spent) only to come back completely unharmed after he got his power back(which happened in mid beating).
Pretty much anytime you've seen Norrin(at full power) put down by by physical force, it wasn't through PURELY physical force. It always comes from the energy charged hands of Thanos or the magical hammer of Thor or something like that and those aren't things that Supes has access to in this fight...

I've never seen SS not effected by Hulk's punch. When was this?
Why put up moot arguments?
Do you think Superman's punches are not going to phase SS?

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk01.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk02.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/SurfervsHulk03.jpg

There's more... and then there's the Bannerless Hulk fight that really showcases that Hulk's strength means shit against Surfer's durability. 🙂

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
I've never seen SS not effected by Hulk's punch. When was this?

Here...
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6848/silversurfer19971252425ki2.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1442/silversurfer199712526bm6.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2899/silversurfer199712527ks9.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Why put up moot arguments?

Which argument's moot?

Originally posted by h1a8
Do you think Superman's punches are not going to phase SS?

Not nearly as much as you and the rest of Supes's fans like to hope for.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Not being nasty or anything, but no you are not. No one is objective

You are right! But at least I try my best to be.

This is not fact. This your speculation. To make this fact, you must use scans that conclusively prove that Surfer has never traveled lightspeed outside hyperspace or that it takes him time to reach lightspeed. You have not used scans to prove this (and cannot because they do not exist) and, therefore, this remains your speculation. Not fact.

A positive doesn't exist if there is no proof for it. Thus since there is no proof that SS has traveled light speed or faster in battle then he didn't. I don't need to prove a thing since I'm not the one arguing that he can fight at light speed or beyond. I'm just pointing out that since there is no proof then it is a fact that he can't.

And there is no speculation on my part. Marvel explains that SS must enter hyperspace when traveling light speed or faster.

Mr. Slippyfist Dead

Originally posted by h1a8
You are right! But at least I try my best to be.
A positive doesn't exist if there is no proof for it. Thus since there is no proof that SS has traveled light speed or faster in battle then he didn't. I don't need to prove a thing since I'm not the one arguing that he can fight at light speed or beyond. I'm just pointing out that since there is no proof then it is a fact that he can't.
And there is no speculation on my part. Marvel explains that SS must enter hyperspace when traveling light speed or faster.

😐

Should I just make a sig of this?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg

And I have never seen Marvel explain this... ever. 😐

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
And there is no speculation on my part. Marvel explains that SS must enter hyperspace when traveling light speed or faster.

Where has Marvel said that Surfer HAS to enter hyperspace upon hitting lightspeed?

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Here...
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6848/silversurfer19971252425ki2.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1442/silversurfer199712526bm6.jpg
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2899/silversurfer199712527ks9.jpg

Those scans don't show no ill effect. What is ill effect anyway? Being stunned for a half of a second shows effect. What, you think Hulk must ko SS for it not to have an effect? Plus these scans provide evidence of SS lack of reflexes. Superman would not only hit SS with planet splitting strikes but is infinitely faster than Hulk.

Not nearly as much as you and the rest of Supes's fans like to hope for.

I guess that means you are a fanboy since you didn't answer the question (it was a yes or no question). Only a super SS fanboy could think that it's impossible for Superman to ko SS if he hits him continuously in the head.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Where has Marvel said that Surfer HAS to enter hyperspace upon hitting lightspeed?

In his bios. And in several scans stating it.