Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by h1a8
There is a lot of panel evidence that proves that it takes SS more than a second to reach light speeds. Why do you debate in this thread when you haven't read much SS? Don't debate a specific issue for a character unless you know them well enough by reading alot of their comics.

And seeing an attack coming doesn't give you the power to move out of the way. SS has never proven to move his limbs (like ducking and weaving) fast enough to dodge Superman level speeds. Neither has he proven to travel light speeds within a second.

You are saying i dont read a lot of ss( my favorite character ) and you do HA simply ridiculous. With the kind of illogical arguments you keep bringing up im starting to doubt that you have read as much ss as you say u have. Like claiming that ss has a weakness against physically strong beings( As that has not been stated or even implied by marvel but simply is a desperate attempt by an inept debater to give his character a glimmer of hope) When thanos was about to punch captain america and ss flew a light year wthin that period how long do you think it took him to hit full speed? How long do you think it takes to throw a punch? But in your words his hands seems to have hung in the air for some time which allowed ss to get there 😆.

Also it was like in a 96 ss comic or something in which ss seached the entire 616 MU in like 2 seconds. In that comic it certainly was not
indicated or implied and really there was not even evidence to base even a ridiculous inference that ss took a few seconds to hit light speed. It is still amazing to me as to were you are getting this your so called on panel evidence. If you can show even an instance where
it was said that ss had to take a second or two to go FTL or a panel showing in which a time frame was provided that shows ss performing a speed feat in which he only achievd light speed after the first second or two then i might start to take this your nonsensical argument seriously( Evn then i would have to disregard all other shwings that prove the contrary)

In addition to that ss might not be able to move his limbs that quickly
but that is why he has his board. For heavens sake he can control his board mentally, if he sees the attack coming with a thought he would be able to move out of the way( via board) he does not have to duck or block it with his body.

Your entire argument is based on biased an illogical assumptions and bad interpretation of on panel events coupled with illogical and irrelevant analogies. You then expect people to accept this load of rubbish because you claim to have read a lot of ss comics. Extremely
Pathetic 🙁

Originally posted by h1a8
My analogy makes perfect sense. A bias mind cannot see the truth.
Your scan is invalid. SS blasts him before he teleports away. SS detects motion and calculates the trajectory of the foe. One doesn't need any amount of reflexes to do this. The ability to calculate makes this possible. And note it takes SS several seconds to think in order to calculate his trajectory (which shows slow thinking times). This is time he won't have vs. Superman.

Your analogy is also seriously flawed. First of all having the ability to react to the baseball such as doding or moving out of the way is one thing while having the accuracy and hand eye coordination to hit it with a bat is an entirly different matter all together. It takes way more than just reflexes to hit a baseball.

Secondly, saying that it took ss SEVERAL seconds to think is an extreme stretch considering that the guy was teleporting. How do you even manage to come to these conclusions? You actually believe that ss instantly calculating the trajectory of being in mid teleportation shows slow thinking times?
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It seems that you believe if characters are able to say or think complete sentences while moving fast then they really cant be moving that fast at all. Meanwhile speedters like supes wonderwoman and the flashes have all talked while moving at superspeeds and have gotten to their destinations not more than a second. This simply is a benfit of all round SPEED, the ability to do evrything SUPERFAST.
Once again a scan has been provided already to show that the surfer has this ability

Originally posted by darthgoober
Of course he's thinking in complete sentences that's what true super speed is, the ability to do EVERYTHING(including think) faster. If you need further proof then take look at these scans and keep in mind that even though Surfer's thinking in complete sentences the entire thing takes less than a second...

Flys through building(who’s walls are made of solid vibranium) and saves Nova at Super Speed...
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9544/silversurfer198700130rs9.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4341/silversurfer198700131kw6.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9413/silversurfer198700132uw6.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4861/silversurfer198700133ns0.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/964/silversurfer198700134la1.jpg

It would be kind of impressive if you were to show me that the walls were indeed vibranium and that the comic is canon. Anyway why was SS red in that scan?

Second, it doesn't take much speed to grab someone before the building crumbles (relative to Superman of course).

Originally posted by Mindship
Interesting interpretation. Supes doesn't actually outrace his HV; he just isn't blocked the way HV was (I'm pretty sure the red glowing eyes didn't telegraph anything to his opponent).

So: I'm boxing, and the guy blocks my jab. Because of his counter to my first move, my right cross scores (I believe Supes got in four right crosses). This doesn't mean my right cross was faster than my jab.

Good tactical move, though. I bet Batman taught him that. 😉

There was no telegraphing. Superman wouldn't blast his HV at the someone who already has their hand up to block it. The guy didn't know when the HV was coming out. He just knew that it was coming. And when it was released then and only then did he raise his hand to block it. The same is with SS. He will know that Superman is coming for him before the bell but he wouldn't have the battle speed and reflexes to stop him when the bell rings.

Also all hits were successful on the guy (He didn't block a thing).

Originally posted by ultimatethor
You are saying i dont read a lot of ss( my favorite character ) and you do HA simply ridiculous. With the kind of illogical arguments you keep bringing up im starting to doubt that you have read as much ss as you say u have. Like claiming that ss has a weakness against physically strong beings( As that has not been stated or even implied by marvel but simply is a desperate attempt by an inept debater to give his character a glimmer of hope) When thanos was about to punch captain america and ss flew a light year wthin that period how long do you think it took him to hit full speed? How long do you think it takes to throw a punch? But in your words his hands seems to have hung in the air for some time which allowed ss to get there 😆.

Also it was like in a 96 ss comic or something in which ss seached the entire 616 MU in like 2 seconds. In that comic it certainly was not
indicated or implied and really there was not even evidence to base even a ridiculous inference that ss took a few seconds to hit light speed. It is still amazing to me as to were you are getting this your so called on panel evidence. If you can show even an instance where
it was said that ss had to take a second or two to go FTL or a panel showing in which a time frame was provided that shows ss performing a speed feat in which he only achievd light speed after the first second or two then i might start to take this your nonsensical argument seriously( Evn then i would have to disregard all other shwings that prove the contrary)

In addition to that ss might not be able to move his limbs that quickly
but that is why he has his board. For heavens sake he can control his board mentally, if he sees the attack coming with a thought he would be able to move out of the way( via board) he does not have to duck or block it with his body.

Thanos held his hand up contemplating on whether to hit CM. This is why he cocked backed (which takes time too). Otherwise, he could have popped him like he did later with the quickness.

If SS is your favorite character and you read a lot of him then why don't you feel that he has terrible battle speed (in battle vs. beings) and reactions (in battle vs. beings)?

Second, it takes him more than a second to reach light speed because of two things:
1. He never showed that he can do the contrary.
2. It was shown to take him more than a second several times before.

Trust me there are several instances where it took SS more than a second. For example, there is an instance where he is streaking as fast as he can and the panel shows his times vs. relative distance. The panel clearly shows that it takes SS about a second (or little more) to reach light speeds and beyond. Another example shows SS again streaking as fast as he can and taking several seconds to hit warp speed. We know it was at least several seconds because he is talking to someone the whole time he is streaking before hitting warp speed.

So in conclusion, SS both can't move with sufficient speed in the first ...th of a second and he doesn't have the necessary reflexes to stop Superman from hitting him first. Otherwise, he would at least one time shown it in battle vs. a being in his entire history. Many many years and not once? This proves it without a doubt. Again, superior baseball reflexes and jerk speed doesn't make one have superior fighting reflexes or superior fighting speed. The same analogy goes for SS.

Originally posted by h1a8
It would be kind of impressive if you were to show me that the walls were indeed vibranium and that the comic is canon. Anyway why was SS red in that scan?

And yes it's canon. It's from Silver Surfer vol. 3 #1. And it was BEFORE Galactus restored the Surfer's full power.

Originally posted by h1a8

Second, it doesn't take much speed to grab someone before the building crumbles (relative to Superman of course).

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Your analogy is also seriously flawed. First of all having the ability to react to the baseball such as doding or moving out of the way is one thing while having the accuracy and hand eye coordination to hit it with a bat is an entirly different matter all together. It takes way more than just reflexes to hit a baseball.

Secondly, saying that it took ss SEVERAL seconds to think is an extreme stretch considering that the guy was teleporting. How do you even manage to come to these conclusions? You actually believe that ss instantly calculating the trajectory of being in mid teleportation shows slow thinking times?
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It seems that you believe if characters are able to say or think complete sentences while moving fast then they really cant be moving that fast at all. Meanwhile speedters like supes wonderwoman and the flashes have all talked while moving at superspeeds and have gotten to their destinations not more than a second. This simply is a benfit of all round SPEED, the ability to do evrything SUPERFAST.
Once again a scan has been provided already to show that the surfer has this ability

h1a8 where (and I am asking because I have never seen this or even heard of this before) does it state that Surfer take a second or two to hit light speed. Please provide scans or issue from which this occur. You keep making this claim. Time to put up or

Originally posted by darthgoober
Ok here's Galactus explaining what Surfer has to do(and he makes specific mention about the vibranium walls)...

And yes it's canon. It's from Silver Surfer vol. 3 #1. And it was BEFORE Galactus restored the Surfer's full power.

It wasn't just a matter of getting out before the building collapsed, the building was wired to explode when the walls were damaged. Surfer outraced both the electric signal and the blast that followed despite the vibranium walls that barred his way.

Ok very impressive. It could take at least a second for the explosion (it's possible). This is how computers work. The program recognizes that the dome is shattered and then goes through the lines
of code in the program to find out that it must detonate the building and then it sends the signal to the bombs and the bombs interpret the signal and then ignites the explosion. So SS feat was pretty fast but not as fast as you think.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ok very impressive. It could take at least a second for the explosion (it's possible). This is how computers work. The program recognizes that the dome is shattered and then goes through the lines
of code in the program to find out that it must detonate the building and then it sends the signal to the bombs and the bombs interpret the signal and then ignites the explosion. So SS feat was pretty fast but not as fast as you think.

And again, this feat happened when Surfer was still depowered by Galactus. His full power wasn't restored until the end of the issue.

Originally posted by bats2jm
h1a8 where (and I am asking because I have never seen this or even heard of this before) does it state that Surfer take a second or two to hit light speed. Please provide scans or issue from which this occur. You keep making this claim. Time to put up or

It doesn't state anywhere that it takes SS a second or more to hit light speed. Some comics just showed that it took SS a second or more to hit lightspeed. If you want to see where it took him a second or more then I will try to find the scans for you. Just let me know.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Did you not read the text in the original scans I posted? There was specific mention made about Surfer outracing the signals that will detonate the building...

And again, this feat happened when Surfer was still depowered by Galactus. His full power wasn't restored until the end of the issue.

Again there is more than one signal (that is why they say signals). In a computer program there are at least several signals operating in succession to execute a program. So the feat is still impressive anyway.

In what ways was Surfer depowered? And why couldn't Galactus grant SS his full speed (only) to accomplish his will (if SS didn't already have his full speed).

Originally posted by h1a8
Again there is more than one signal (that is why they say signals). In a computer program there are at least several signals operating in succession to execute a program. So the feat is still impressive anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8

In what ways was Surfer depowered? And why couldn't Galactus grant SS his full speed (only) to accomplish his will (if SS didn't already have his full speed).

And Galactus didn't return Surfer's power because he wanted Nova back. The whole reason Surfer went to rescue Nova was so Galactus would restore his powers.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Interpret it as you will, the important thing is that you note the feat. So where are the scans of Supes blitzing faster than an electrical signal?

Surfer was pretty much just all around depowered. It was repeatedly referenced in his first series...
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2191/silversurfer0233pn1.jpg

And Galactus didn't return Surfer's power because he wanted Nova back. The whole reason Surfer went to rescue Nova was so Galactus would restore his powers.

An electric signal only moves at the speed of lightning (not light).
Plus there were multiple signals being relayed (not one) and plus bottleneck. Superman has instantaneously blitzed faster than light before.
But all of this is moot as I have shown that great moving speed and moving reflexes don't necessarily equate to the same level of battle speed and battle reflexes.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman has instantaneously blitzed faster than light before.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Scan or issue number please...

Fast enough to block HV but not fast enough for Supes himself (Supes is faster than his HV the first instant)
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg.

Originally posted by h1a8
Fast enough to block HV but not fast enough for Supes himself (Supes is faster than his HV the first instant)
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg.

And here's one of Surfer raising a forcefield to block an energy blast after it's fired...

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7526/silversurferv3146p12if3.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
In what ways was Surfer depowered?

Originally posted by darthgoober
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2191/silversurfer0233pn1.jpg

h1a8 dont know anything about silver surfer. He has little knowledge of the character and thinks that superman can beat anyone, just look at the superman vs thanos thread.

Why are you all arguing with him on this. It has already been established that surfer possess enough speed to bring superman down and he also has the right tools at his disposal to make this a good win at his favor. This is a fight that is one sided but not in superman favor.

h1a8, read more surfer.