Originally posted by dvampire
It would be of much help in a fight against.
red sun light would work against superman just like surfer power cosmic would work along with a lot of other things that surfer has at his disposal. The answer to this puzzle is what tricks does superman has thar would bring the surfer down. Dont say strength because a being that was equal to power of galactus punched surfer hard enough to destroy a moon and surfer was still fighting, unless your saying superman strength>>>>galactus.
Originally posted by dvampire
I think that's what you're saying. 😕 Don't be foolish.
naah, that wont be something that I'll say since I know for a fact that surfer is by far one of the most durable characters in comics. Superman would have to give surfer a beating to knock him out and thats something that I just dont see happening.
This speed argument is stupid.
If you have 2 boxers fighting and 1 is faster than the other, it doesnt meant he slower boxer will not land a punch on the faster boxer.
I dont think surfer is slower than supes BTW. It was just an example.
But lets say Surfer is the slower boxer. He will land punches on the faster boxer(supes), plus he would also have a gun and a sword to fight the faster boxer 🙂
meaning Surfer has more in his arsenal to harm supes than just punching.
anyhow this is dumb. Surfer has various ways to beat superman. Superman only has 1. Punching, and even that is not a legitamate way to beat surfer.
Originally posted by h1a8
It kills me when people say words like 'several instances' when there is only one or no instances. Anyway, there are instances that point out that the beam is light speed or faster. One instance, Superman fires a beam from Earth to the moon. It reaches it in a matter of a second or two. Another instance, is when SBP blasts a beam through Superman like he is a ghost. The beam appears instantaneous.Now the scan you posted does appear that SS at his best does have good reflexes. But based off all of SS's other appearances I would have to say that Firelord's beam wasn't light speed and was cosmic fire in nature (it looks like fire). So SS really didn't perform a light speed reflex feat but a darn good one though. The scan seems convincing though. But know that Superman isn't a dumb projectile to be avoided. He constantly and relentlessly attacks here without pause nor time to think or regroup. So my gut feeling and experience of seeing Surfer tells me that SS has to get hit pretty soon after the bell rings by this fury. And when he does then comes the combo to ko.
Good come back though.
How many instances of Surfer blocking energy would you like...
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9906/p3silversurferv309016gd0.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1355/annihilationsilversurfexe9.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8742/silversurfer198902524tv8.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8210/silversurfer198902121my5.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8241/thor47014fn6.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7526/silversurferv3146p12if3.jpg
Oh yeah, and remember when you said this...
Originally posted by h1a8
Fast enough to block HV but not fast enough for Supes himself (Supes is faster than his HV the first instant)
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg.
Well check out this scan...
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9930/silversurfer198801314gm2.jpg
Originally posted by dvampire
Good luck with that. It's easier said then done. Supes not just going to be standing there while Surfer tampers with his body, which his body is also not easy to mess with. Surfer uses weaknesses, Supes fights harder. I see that only provoking Supes to hit even harder without holding much back (and Surfer won't last to long), Surfer will just makes things worse for himself. Red solar energy doesn't weaken him anymore anyways.
Originally posted by h1a8Unless you have on-panel proof to back this up, this is all supposition. The more believable response would've been that Supes' foe (cued by Supes' red glowing eyes) anticipated the HV blast and was able to counter the way, say, Batman was able to dodge Supergirl's HV in Supergirl: Power.
...who already has their hand up to block it...And when it was released then and only then did he raise his hand to block it.
Originally posted by carver9
the reason why spiderman blitzed firelord is the reason why spiderman blitzed superman, that is something for you to find out.If its done only in comics, how are you basing your judgement off of things that superman dont do. Do you give him abilities that he dont have. Well since we're doing it like that, since wolverine has shown more combat speed feats then captain america, I think that wolverine would beat captain america in a manner of at least 5 min.
Whether spider-man blitzed Superman or not is moot (even though he didn't/he just punched him). The point is that you are claiming that Superman can't blitz anyone even though he's done it many times.
And you are claiming such things because of your reasoning "Do you give him abilities that he dont have." But using that reasoning (which is yours) you are giving SS abilities that he doesn't have (battle speed and battle reflexes on par with Superman). SS don't have the ability to stop Superman from hitting him. And since Superman will hit him (first at that) then comes the combo.
Originally posted by darthgoober
How many instances of Surfer blocking energy would you like...
Would you at least give Superman a 40-50% chance of landing a blow on SS in this forum fight?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes cant do this to Orion? Supes cant do this to Black Adam? Why do you think this will happen to the Surfer?
Writers don't know everything (even simple stuff at times). I blame stupid writers for not knowing about the combo to ko principle.
But I conceded somewhat already above.
Originally posted by h1a8They write these characters not you. You seem to think Supes can beat anyone he faces, hell you gave him a win over Prime when Prime was spanking him along with everyone else who came in his path in Sinestro Corps.
Writers don't know everything (even simple stuff at times). I blame stupid writers for not knowing about the combo to ko principle.
But I conceded somewhat already above.
Originally posted by h1a8
darthgoober you are indeed good. I appreciate that.
I now give SS more credit than I previously did. Some of the scans you posted I forgot about (mainly because I view older comics as stupid kiddy nonsense). But it is true that many here use words like multiple, several, etc. when either it was once or none. With that said, I give SS decent enough reflexes and battle speed to battle Superman (he's just so inconsistent though). Its just that with all my heart and feeling for both characters I feel that if Superman goes hard at SS at the first sound of the bell (not allowing Surfer to think well enough) then he has a great chance to win. This is because if Superman hits SS first then all he has to do is follow that hit with others until SS is koed.
And yes I agree about many members exaggerating the frequency of many characters feats...
Originally posted by h1a8
Would you at least give Superman a 40-50% chance of landing a blow on SS in this forum fight?
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos held his hand up contemplating on whether to hit CM. This is why he cocked backed (which takes time too). Otherwise, he could have popped him like he did later with the quickness.If SS is your favorite character and you read a lot of him then why don't you feel that he has terrible battle speed (in battle vs. beings) and reactions (in battle vs. beings)?
Second, it takes him more than a second to reach light speed because of two things:
1. He never showed that he can do the contrary.
2. It was shown to take him more than a second several times before.Trust me there are several instances where it took SS more than a second. For example, there is an instance where he is streaking as fast as he can and the panel shows his times vs. relative distance. The panel clearly shows that it takes SS about a second (or little more) to reach light speeds and beyond. Another example shows SS again streaking as fast as he can and taking several seconds to hit warp speed. We know it was at least several seconds because he is talking to someone the whole time he is streaking before hitting warp speed.
So in conclusion, SS both can't move with sufficient speed in the first ...th of a second and he doesn't have the necessary reflexes to stop Superman from hitting him first. Otherwise, he would at least [B]one time
shown it in battle vs. a being in his entire history. Many many years and not once? This proves it without a doubt. Again, superior baseball reflexes and jerk speed doesn't make one have superior fighting reflexes or superior fighting speed. The same analogy goes for SS. [/B]
You keep asking for scans to be provided and yet you prvide non yourself. In your extremly ambiguos examples you really provided no proof of your argument because it is based on your misinterpretation of the event. In this your example was it stated that
ss was going as fast as he could when trying to hit warp speed? I really suspect that it was not but you have decided to make that assumption.
How much time do you think it takes to cock your hand back and throw a punch? It certainly does not take more than two seconds. As i said
In a 96 surfer comic surfer searched the entire 616 MU in a couple of seconds, in no way could it be implied that the surfer hit warp speed only after a few seconds.
Now concerning your analogy. As i said a baseball player who has the hand eye cordination to hit a ball may not have the outright reflexes to dodge that same ball if thrown directly at him. Many basebalers hve been hit by bad pitches thrown directly at them because they do not have the required reflexes to react to the pitch. Therefore saying that because a baseball player can hit a ball thrown at 100 mph he has good reflexes is false as that involves more hand eye coordination than it does reflexes.
If you are able to actually provide some scans of surfer taking several seconds to go light speed then your entire ridiculous argument may begin to have some thing to be based on. However you have been unable to provide any scans supporting your point as all the scans seem to be coming from the surfer side and becoming subject to your misinterpretation ( Personally i think scans dont make an argument but you r d one who keeps asking for them)
Originally posted by h1a8
darthgoober you are indeed good. I appreciate that.
I now give SS more credit than I previously did. Some of the scans you posted I forgot about (mainly because I view older comics as stupid kiddy nonsense). But it is true that many here use words like multiple, several, etc. when either it was once or none. With that said, I give SS decent enough reflexes and battle speed to battle Superman (he's just so inconsistent though). Its just that with all my heart and feeling for both characters I feel that if Superman goes hard at SS at the first sound of the bell (not allowing Surfer to think well enough) then he has a great chance to win. This is because if Superman hits SS first then all he has to do is follow that hit with others until SS is koed.Would you at least give Superman a 40-50% chance of landing a blow on SS in this forum fight?
To be reasonable superman can land blows on ss however ss can land blows and a whole lot more on superman which is why he takes the majority
Superman definitely has a good chance of winning this, his power and speed are incredible. However SS has to take a strong majority because of his versatility, power cosmic, cosmic awareness and all that. He has so many ways to win its not true. SS is incredibly durable so if Superman does not get the KO witht he early speed blitz then he will go down hard. I think the vast majority of neutral, "thinking" comic book afficianados would give the majority to SS. Hence the poll results.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually from what I understand, his most recent showing against Red Sun Radiation has him being rendered powerless almost instantly 🙂 .
That is Batman's theory which he wasn't sure of. Supes current battles against the Sun Eater and against the Kryptonian Serial killer/Bounty hunter have shown that he's still incredibly dangerous even when this is used against him.
Generally I see this as a pretty even fight. Both have plenty to bring to the table.
