Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by ultimatethor
To be reasonable superman can land blows on ss however ss can land blows and a whole lot more on superman which is why he takes the majority

There is nothing that proves Superman wouldn't be able to land blows on Surfer, and considering Thanos has knocked him out in only a few punches before, i don't see why Superman couldn't do the same.

Very few characters have strength feats like Superman does, which leads my thinking that Superman's strength is more than a casual Thanos, and a 'Casual' Thanos, knocked Surfer out in only a few blows....

I'm aware of Surfers powerset, i'm aware of his energy manipulation, and i'm aware that the general consensus around here is Surfer exploiting Superman's weaknesses, which of course is fair game, but Superman has feats where red sun radiation/ Kryptonite, does not immediately affect him, meaning that Surfer's first attack would have to be extremely powerful and potent to disable a charging Superman.

Many people say Superman only fights with his fists, which is true for the most part, so let's use that, at the beginning of the fight, Surfer analyzes Superman, discovers his weakness, manipulates the correct radiation wave, then shoots Superman AND disables him, all before Superman simply comes forward and lands a punch?

Let's say their combat speed is the same, even though feats clearly show they aren't, but let's say they are, Surfer is going to do all that before Superman has landed his first blow? I don't think he will have time. If Surfer was in the process of doing this, and takes a punch from Superman, whom i consider stronger than a casual Thanos, then by my logic, the outcome would be the same as with Thanos.

If Surfer fights blow for blow with Superman, is there anyone that thinks Surfer would win this way?

As i've said before, Surfer has the tools to beat Superman, and Superman has the tools to bear Surfer.

This is all my opinion of course, just my two sense. I think it's fair.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
There is nothing that proves Superman wouldn't be able to land blows on Surfer, and considering Thanos has knocked him out in only a few punches before, i don't see why Superman couldn't do the same.

Very few characters have strength feats like Superman does, which leads my thinking that Superman's strength is more than a casual Thanos, and a 'Casual' Thanos, knocked Surfer out in only a few blows....

I'm aware of Surfers powerset, i'm aware of his energy manipulation, and i'm aware that the general consensus around here is Surfer exploiting Superman's weaknesses, which of course is fair game, but Superman has feats where red sun radiation/ Kryptonite, does not immediately affect him, meaning that Surfer's first attack would have to be extremely powerful and potent to disable a charging Superman.

Many people say Superman only fights with his fists, which is true for the most part, so let's use that, at the beginning of the fight, Surfer analyzes Superman, discovers his weakness, manipulates the correct radiation wave, then shoots Superman AND disables him, all before Superman simply comes forward and lands a punch?

Let's say their combat speed is the same, even though feats clearly show they aren't, but let's say they are, Surfer is going to do all that before Superman has landed his first blow? I don't think he will have time. If Surfer was in the process of doing this, and takes a punch from Superman, whom i consider stronger than a casual Thanos, then by my logic, the outcome would be the same as with Thanos.

If Surfer fights blow for blow with Superman, is there anyone that thinks Surfer would win this way?

As i've said before, Surfer has the tools to beat Superman, and Superman has the tools to bear Surfer.

This is all my opinion of course, just my two sense. I think it's fair.

As I said Superman CAN land blows on the surfer, but the surfer can land blows and much much more. There no way if surfer goes into a slug fest withs upes that he will win but why does he need to go into a slugfest when he can do so much more.

Which do YOU think is a more potent first attak a kryptonite blast on superman or a superman punch on surfer? Even then the surfer really does not have to use kryptonite or red sun radiation to win. HE could weaken superman by simply absorbing/transmuting his solar enrgy or even synthesize it in order to make himself stronger. He could also use his board to pummel superman
He also has got forcefields with which to protect himself from supermans punches. Superman HAS got the tools to beat surfer ( the strength) but so do other extremely strong charcters like the hulk, thor and maybe even Wonderwoman. However it does not mean that they will take the majority

Originally posted by ultimatethor
As I said Superman CAN land blows on the surfer, but the surfer can land blows and much much more. There no way if surfer goes into a slug fest withs upes that he will win but why does he need to go into a slugfest when he can do so much more.

The reason i think he MAY go into a slugfest with Supes is because that will most likely be the fight that Superman is bringing with him.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Which do YOU think is a more potent first attak a kryptonite blast on superman or a superman punch on surfer? Even then the surfer really does not have to use kryptonite or red sun radiation to win. HE could weaken superman by simply absorbing/transmuting his solar enrgy or even synthesize it in order to make himself stronger. He could also use his board to pummel superman
He also has got forcefields with which to protect himself from supermans punches. Superman HAS got the tools to beat surfer ( the strength) but so do other extremely strong charcters like the hulk, thor and maybe even Wonderwoman. However it does not mean that they will take the majority

Everything you say is true, Surfer can do all that indeed, which is why i said Surfer more than definitely has the tools, but unless he does any of that before the first punch is landed, i think he's missed his chance.

I generally believe that if Surfer doesnt perform an extremely powerful energy drain-esq attack immediately, as SOON as the fight begins, BEFORE the first punch is landed, then i don't believe he will get the chance after that.

And the same goes for Superman, if Superman doesn't rush immediately, then HE most likely won't get another chance.

Can't get any fairer than that IMO.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER

I generally believe that if Surfer doesnt perform an extremely powerful energy drain-esq attack immediately, as SOON as the fight begins, BEFORE the first punch is landed, then i don't believe he will get the chance after that.

The thing is SS has been able to come up with different attacks during combat so he should be able to do it with SS.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The thing is SS has been able to come up with different attacks during combat so he should be able to do it with SS.

I assume Superman is as strong as a casual Thanos, and Thanos knocked Surfer out before he had a chance to put up any kind of offensive, so i assume the same would happen with Superman and Surfer.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
The reason i think he MAY go into a slugfest with Supes is because that will most likely be the fight that Superman is bringing with him.

Everything you say is true, Surfer can do all that indeed, which is why i said Surfer more than definitely has the tools, but unless he does any of that before the first punch is landed, i think he's missed his chance.

I generally believe that if Surfer doesnt perform an extremely powerful energy drain-esq attack immediately, as SOON as the fight begins, BEFORE the first punch is landed, then i don't believe he will get the chance after that.

And the same goes for Superman, if Superman doesn't rush immediately, then HE most likely won't get another chance.

Can't get any fairer than that IMO.

Now if this was a comic i would tend to agree with you. The surfer might not use his powers to their full potential and instead try and brawl with supes. However the surfer does not need to even drain superman or exploit his weakness and such to win. He is almost as strong just as fast just as durable( plus forcefields) and has cosmic blasts that dwarf supermans heat vision. Even if they were forced to beat each other to death with the tools at thier disposal surfer would still win

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I assume Superman is as strong as a casual Thanos, and Thanos knocked Surfer out before he had a chance to put up any kind of offensive, so i assume the same would happen with Superman and Surfer.

Ok, but im pretty sure there are examples of him taking more damage than that without being KOed. for example Hulk has comparable strength to Supes and SS has taken shots from Hulk and not been Koed.

Hes also taken punches from a non-jobbing Champion.
Non jobbing Champion >> Superman

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I assume Superman is as strong as a casual Thanos, and Thanos knocked Surfer out before he had a chance to put up any kind of offensive, so i assume the same would happen with Superman and Surfer.

Supes is not going to be able to nock SS before ss can mount an offense. SS has taking beatings from Tenebrous, Aegis, Galactus and other such beings and has been able to pull through and mount offensives. Also during many ss thanos fights ss has mounted an offensive but to no avail as thanos is normally able to take these attacks and overhwelm ss with his own

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok, but im pretty sure there are examples of him taking more damage than that without being KOed. for example Hulk has comparable strength to Supes and SS has taken shots from Hulk and not been Koed.

Hulk can get up to Superman's level at times, but generally is too up and down to truly be compared to Superman.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Supes is not going to be able to nock SS before ss can mount an offense. SS has taking beatings from Tenebrous, Aegis, Galactus and other such beings and has been able to pull through and mount offensives. Also during many ss thanos fights ss has mounted an offensive but to no avail as thanos is normally able to take these attacks and overhwelm ss with his own

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

Hes also taken punches from a non-jobbing Champion.
Non jobbing Champion >> Superman

Originally posted by Juntai
😆

*groan* Here we go.......

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Now if this was a comic i would tend to agree with you. The surfer might not use his powers to their full potential and instead try and brawl with supes. However the surfer does not need to even drain superman or exploit his weakness and such to win. He is almost as strong just as fast just as durable( plus forcefields) and has cosmic blasts that dwarf supermans heat vision. Even if they were forced to beat each other to death with the tools at thier disposal surfer would still win

Surfer isn't as strong without some amping, which takes time, combat speed Supes has feat's but i'll say for the benefit of the doubt that they're the same speed, durability wise, well, Surfer's physical durability isn't even close to Superman IMO.
Energy absorption wise than i agree.

You can never doubt Superman's Heat Vision lol, no force in all of comics is more formidable 🙂

If it came down to a slugfest, i think Superman would win everytime IMO.
If Surfer wants to win this fight, he would avoid that at all costs.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Surfer isn't as strong without some amping, which takes time, combat speed Supes has feat's but i'll say for the benefit of the doubt that they're the same speed, durability wise, well, Surfer's physical durability isn't even close to Superman IMO.
Energy absorption wise than i agree.

You can never doubt Superman's Heat Vision lol, no force in all of comics is more formidable 🙂

If it came down to a slugfest, i think Superman would win everytime IMO.
If Surfer wants to win this fight, he would avoid that at all costs.

Surfers durability not even close to supes ? No way. HE is at least equal if not superior especially since his recent upgrade, plus he has forcefields.
Supermans heatvision wold make the surfer laugh, after taking firelords cosmic fire supes heatvison would be nothing. Really the only way supes wins is in slugfest but this is a forum and surfer gets to use his powers to the fullest meaning instant enrgy absorption = weakend? dead supes

Originally posted by Juntai
Also true, but the same can be said for Superman.

No one is doubting supes durability but SS does not have to physically beat dwn supes to win. He has got so many other ways to do it while supes is only one dimensional and can win basically by beating down surfer which would take way longer than surfer absorbing, transmuting or synthesizing or exploiting supermans enrgy/weakness

Originally posted by ultimatethor
No one is doubting supes durability but SS does not have to physically beat dwn supes to win. He has got so many other ways to do it while supes is only one dimensional and can win basically by beating down surfer which would take way longer than surfer absorbing, transmuting or synthesizing or exploiting supermans enrgy/weakness

This is what i believe, keeping in mind all the technicalities involved from Surfer's complex power set, at the end of the day, it comes down to this....

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I generally believe that if Surfer doesnt perform an extremely powerful energy drain-esq attack immediately, as SOON as the fight begins, BEFORE the first punch is landed, then i don't believe he will get the chance after that.

And the same goes for Superman, if Superman doesn't rush immediately, then HE most likely won't get another chance.

Can't get any fairer than that IMO.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
There is nothing that proves Superman wouldn't be able to land blows on Surfer, and considering Thanos has knocked him out in only a few punches before, i don't see why Superman couldn't do the same.

Very few characters have strength feats like Superman does, which leads my thinking that Superman's strength is more than a casual Thanos, and a 'Casual' Thanos, knocked Surfer out in only a few blows....

I'm aware of Surfers powerset, i'm aware of his energy manipulation, and i'm aware that the general consensus around here is Surfer exploiting Superman's weaknesses, which of course is fair game, but Superman has feats where red sun radiation/ Kryptonite, does not immediately affect him, meaning that Surfer's first attack would have to be extremely powerful and potent to disable a charging Superman.

Many people say Superman only fights with his fists, which is true for the most part, so let's use that, at the beginning of the fight, Surfer analyzes Superman, discovers his weakness, manipulates the correct radiation wave, then shoots Superman AND disables him, all before Superman simply comes forward and lands a punch?

Let's say their combat speed is the same, even though feats clearly show they aren't, but let's say they are, Surfer is going to do all that before Superman has landed his first blow? I don't think he will have time. If Surfer was in the process of doing this, and takes a punch from Superman, whom i consider stronger than a casual Thanos, then by my logic, the outcome would be the same as with Thanos.

If Surfer fights blow for blow with Superman, is there anyone that thinks Surfer would win this way?

As i've said before, Surfer has the tools to beat Superman, and Superman has the tools to bear Surfer.

This is all my opinion of course, just my two sense. I think it's fair.

I completely with this post. Nice that we finally see eye to eye on something.

Originally posted by Avlon
I completely with this post. Nice that we finally see eye to eye on something.

We didn't see eye to eye before?

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
This is what i believe, keeping in mind all the technicalities involved from Surfer's complex power set, at the end of the day, it comes down to this....

This is the thing, the fight is not going to be determined by who attacks first. Superman could attack first and still lose because ss would eventually break free of the attack an do his thing thereby defeating superman. Lets for the sake of argument take it that superman rushes ss before ss mounts an offense. SS certainly wont be koed initially and after somtime would put up a forcefield to stop the pummelling. From there he would have all the time he needs to do whatever he wants to superman

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
We didn't see eye to eye before?

Not that I remember. Maybe it's old age creeping in on me. 😆

I wonder how SS would fare against the alternate Chris Kent who has all of the originals powers and complete mastery of energy manip. (And also claims that all supermen can learn to do the same.)