Being one shotted by Thanos is a low showing for SS or just shows how powerful Thanos is. SS can take high class 100 blows with just his silvery hide - throw in a force shield as well and he is at least as invulnerable as clark if not more so. So unless Supes gets in a lucky early shot (i.e. SS jobs) then its all over for him. In KMC this would not be settled by a slug fest but by one of a dozen ways by SS.
NB heat vision is not greater than power cosmic not even close
Originally posted by ultimatethor
This is the thing, the fight is not going to be determined by who attacks first. Superman could attack first and still lose because ss would eventually break free of the attack an do his thing thereby defeating superman. Lets for the sake of argument take it that superman rushes ss before ss mounts an offense. SS certainly wont be koed initially and after somtime would put up a forcefield to stop the pummelling. From there he would have all the time he needs to do whatever he wants to superman
I'm comparing Superman's strength to that on Thanos, and i see Superman as being stronger physically, when Thanos punched Surfer, he was completely disoriented and leaving himself open for a second, and a third, and then knocked out completely.
This is how i see the fight going between Surfer and Superman, IF Superman can get close enough, fast enough.
I see your points, but the way i see the fight going depends on who gets the first attack in.
Lets not forget that Superman is a million times faster than Thanos, and Surfer was knocked out by him, so i'm seeing it as a guy with stronger physical attributes to Thanos, punching a million times faster, and the first landed punch IF there was one, would disorient Surfer enough for Superman to knock him out completely.
I just don't see Surfer taking punches from the Man of Steel, absorbing them, thinking of a contingency, and implementing it, all while being smacked around by a guy i consider to be stronger than a guy that knocked him out in 3 or 4 punches, considerably slower.
Originally posted by severance
Being one shotted by Thanos is a low showing for SS or just shows how powerful Thanos is. SS can take high class 100 blows with just his silvery hide - throw in a force shield as well and he is at least as invulnerable as clark if not more so. So unless Supes gets in a lucky early shot (i.e. SS jobs) then its all over for him. In KMC this would not be settled by a slug fest but by one of a dozen ways by SS.NB heat vision is not greater than power cosmic not even close
Could not have said it better myself
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I'm comparing Superman's strength to that on Thanos, and i see Superman as being stronger physically, when Thanos punched Surfer, he was completely disoriented and leaving himself open for a second, and a third, and then knocked out completely.This is how i see the fight going between Surfer and Superman, IF Superman can get close enough, fast enough.
I see your points, but the way i see the fight going depends on who gets the first attack in.
Lets not forget that Superman is a million times faster than Thanos, and Surfer was knocked out by him, so i'm seeing it as a guy with stronger physical attributes to Thanos, punching a million times faster, and the first landed punch IF there was one, would disorient Surfer enough for Superman to knock him out completely.
I just don't see Surfer taking punches from the Man of Steel, absorbing them, thinking of a contingency, and implementing it, all while being smacked around by a guy i consider to be stronger than a guy that knocked him out in 3 or 4 punches, considerably slower.
Surfer might have been knocked out by thanos before but he has also gone toe to toe with thanos many times aand has not gotten knocked out. In addition surfer has been upgraded recently. The surfer took beatings from tenebrous and Aegis( above skyfather level beings) and survived and was still able to mount an offense. T & A are far far far far far far ( you get the point) greater and more powerful than superman. There is no way that superman is going to knock ss out with his first few attacks that is just absurd.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer might have been knocked out by thanos before but he has also gone toe to toe with thanos many times aand has not gotten knocked out. In addition surfer has been upgraded recently. The surfer took beatings from tenebrous and Aegis( above skyfather level beings) and survived and was still able to mount an offense. T & A are far far far far far far ( you get the point) greater and more powerful than superman. There is no way that superman is going to knock ss out with his first few attacks that is just absurd.
Are you saying that Surfer could now fight blow for blow with Thanos?
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
Are you saying that Surfer could now fight blow for blow with Thanos?
I did not say he can fight BLOW FOR BLOW with thanos, i said he has gone toe to toe with him b4( usig blast and such). HE has had many fights in which thanos did not knock him out at all let alone in 4 punches
Originally posted by ultimatethor
I did not say he can fight BLOW FOR BLOW with thanos, i said he has gone toe to toe with him b4( usig blast and such). HE has had many fights in which thanos did not knock him out at all let alone in 4 punches
I was using the fight when Thanos did knock him out in 4 punches, though.
Great thread!
But can we stop with the surfer got hit by thaons who is slower than supes, when we can look thru 30 years of supes getting hit by slow characters...it goes both ways
They are both fast as proven in this thread, speedblitz is in supes favor imo, but out right speed- evasiveness is in surfers favor
Surfer wins the majority 7/10.....superman will give him a fight and has a chance to take him with a speedblitz...but not enough to give supes the majority...there are just way too many options for surfer to win this
Originally posted by starlock
Great thread!But can we stop with the surfer got hit by thaons who is slower than supes, when we can look thru 30 years of supes getting hit by slow characters...it goes both ways
They are both fast as proven in this thread, speedblitz is in supes favor imo, but out right speed- evasiveness is in surfers favor
Surfer wins the majority 7/10.....superman will give him a fight and has a chance to take him with a speedblitz...but not enough to give supes the majority...there are just way too many options for surfer to win this
You could look through the past 30 years of Superman being hit by slower opponents if you'd like.
I'm trying to gauge Superman at the best of his abilities, and in this instance Supes would be punching and reacting at incredible speeds.
I'm considering Surfer the same way, at the best of his abilities, and he has very very few combat-speed feats to speak of.
So is he getting hit by Thanos so unbelievable? Sure can fly fast though....
Do you know what I like the fact that this debate is being conduted in a relatively mature fashion. Rather than the usually
"Fanboy" or "You're such a retard!" bollox that can go on for pages without making any real points.
Let me confess i am more of a marvelite than a DC guy, but ido consider myself to be relatively objective. For instance if i think WW can kick savage hulks arse I will say. However I honestly cannot see Superman taking anything more than a minority against Norrin
Originally posted by severance
Do you know what I like the fact that this debate is being conduted in a relatively mature fashion. Rather than the usually"Fanboy" or "You're such a retard!" bollox that can go on for pages without making any real points.
I agree about the maturity here, if it wasn't mature, then i wouldn't be posting, i've no time for that kind of debate 🙂
Originally posted by severance
Let me confess i am more of a marvelite than a DC guy, but ido consider myself to be relatively objective. For instance if i think WW can kick savage hulks arse I will say. However I honestly cannot see Superman taking anything more than a minority against Norrin
It's completely fair that you think that, it's not unjustified at all, i'm only putting forward my point of view, of the possibility that Superman can win, and my methods of him doing so.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
You could look through the past 30 years of Superman being hit by slower opponents if you'd like.I'm trying to gauge Superman at the best of his abilities, and in this instance Supes would be punching and reacting at incredible speeds.
I'm considering Surfer the same way, at the best of his abilities, and he has very very few combat-speed feats to speak of.
So is he getting hit by Thanos so unbelievable? Sure can fly fast though....
But we should use some aspects of the rules but not all of them? that pertain to this fight..as "in character" and thier personalities?
"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise."
Then knowing this...superman is not going into this fight speedblitzing...he will use his powers to detect what he is up against...what surfer can do etc
Surfer is the same to an extent..he will analyze the situation
But then we get posters who just think at the start of this match its speedblitz versus speedblitz? first strike wins?
This thread did not start out...they are going for blood and such or superman thinks surfer killed lois, surfer thinks supes killed etc
Its just my opinion
Originally posted by severance
Do you know what I like the fact that this debate is being conduted in a relatively mature fashion. Rather than the usually"Fanboy" or "You're such a retard!" bollox that can go on for pages without making any real points.
Let me confess i am more of a marvelite than a DC guy, but ido consider myself to be relatively objective. For instance if i think WW can kick savage hulks arse I will say. However I honestly cannot see Superman taking anything more than a minority against Norrin
As always the best debates are ones that dont resort to name calling and such 👆
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
I agree about the maturity here, if it wasn't mature, then i wouldn't be posting, i've no time for that kind of debate 🙂It's completely fair that you think that, it's not unjustified at all, i'm only putting forward my point of view, of the possibility that Superman can win, and my methods of him doing so.
I do think he has a chance to get a small minority. He SUPERMAN afterall, he is off the scale powerful. BUT SS is one of the few heroes who really has his number
Originally posted by starlock
But we should use some aspects of the rules but not all of them? that pertain to this fight..as "in character" and thier personalities?"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise."
Then knowing this...superman is not going into this fight speedblitzing...he will use his powers to detect what he is up against...what surfer can do etc
Surfer is the same to an extent..he will analyze the situation
But then we get posters who just think at the start of this match its speedblitz versus speedblitz? first strike wins?
This thread did not start out...they are going for blood and such or superman thinks surfer killed lois, surfer thinks supes killed etc
Its just my opinion
The OP didn't give a small backstory, no stipulations and certain cans or can-nots, it's simply a fight, one against the other. So them acting in character, ie, attempting to talk down the combatant before the fight ensues, isn't really taken into consideration in this particular fight.
So we can assume it's simply character A vs character B, and Superman fights with his fists, and a speed blitz is a viable option, considering he's acted this way many times before, that's IN character.
Surfer getting beat by Thanos' fists may be out of character for Surfer, so i didnt factor him doing this into this fight, i wrote in an earlier post what i think Surfer's tactics would be, and also what i thought Superman's would be, also.
Basically, i don't think the Surfer could take many of Superman's punches, and Superman couldn't take energy draining on a hugely powerful-blast type scale.
Surfers pre-fight analysis won't be PRE-fight in this case, it'll be DURING the fight, at the very beginning, which would take longer than Superman simply charging forward and punching him once.
However you look at it, IMO, neither combatant is considerably more powerful than the other. They just excel at different things.
Fight could go either way.
Originally posted by severance
I do think he has a chance to get a small minority. He SUPERMAN afterall, he is off the scale powerful. BUT SS is one of the few heroes who really has his number
I agree. It seems that Surfer was created with an anti-Superman type powerset, it's just the two things he lacking to seal the deal, is consistant combat speed, and physical durability on par with Superman.
These things could very well be the deciding factors in this fight, or not 🙂
Just my opinion.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
The OP didn't give a small backstory, no stipulations and certain cans or can-nots, it's simply a fight, one against the other. So them acting in character, ie, attempting to talk down the combatant before the fight ensues, isn't really taken into consideration in this particular fight.So we can assume it's simply character A vs character B, and Superman fights with his fists, and a speed blitz is a viable option, considering he's acted this way many times before, that's IN character.
Surfer getting beat by Thanos' fists may be out of character for Surfer, so i didnt factor him doing this into this fight, i wrote in an earlier post what i think Surfer's tactics would be, and also what i thought Superman's would be, also.
Basically, i don't think the Surfer could take many of Superman's punches, and Superman couldn't take energy draining on a hugely powerful-blast type scale.
Surfers pre-fight analysis won't be PRE-fight in this case, it'll be DURING the fight, at the very beginning, which would take longer than Superman simply charging forward and punching him once.However you look at it, IMO, neither combatant is considerably more powerful than the other. They just excel at different things.
Fight could do either way.
Wow pretty balanced cheers
Could go either way but Supes has only one way to win overwhelm via speed blitz SS has many ways energy drain, kryptonite radiation, red sun radiation are the most obvious
Perhaps he could concievably change supes molecular structure to something much weaker
or turn off his invulnerability filed and blast him to atoms, fly him into the void where there is almost no sunlight and let him drain his own batteries trying to take surfer down
Originally posted by ultimatethor
As I said Superman CAN land blows on the surfer, but the surfer can land blows and much much more. There no way if surfer goes into a slug fest withs upes that he will win but why does he need to go into a slugfest when he can do so much more.Which do YOU think is a more potent first attak a kryptonite blast on superman or a superman punch on surfer? Even then the surfer really does not have to use kryptonite or red sun radiation to win. HE could weaken superman by simply absorbing/transmuting his solar enrgy or even synthesize it in order to make himself stronger. He could also use his board to pummel superman
He also has got forcefields with which to protect himself from supermans punches. Superman HAS got the tools to beat surfer ( the strength) but so do other extremely strong charcters like the hulk, thor and maybe even Wonderwoman. However it does not mean that they will take the majority
Superman is not Hulk and Thor. He is uber fast with his strength.
You say that SS can land much more than blows on Superman (which is true). Yet the attacks you say SS will land actually takes a long time (in Superman time of course). Superman almost certainly forces SS into a slugfest at the first instant. So it becomes a matter of who gets the first hit in.
Originally posted by severance
Wow pretty balanced cheersCould go either way but Supes has only one way to win overwhelm via speed blitz SS has many ways energy drain, kryptonite radiation, red sun radiation are the most obvious
Perhaps he could concievably change supes molecular structure to something much weaker
or turn off his invulnerability filed and blast him to atoms, fly him into the void where there is almost no sunlight and let him drain his own batteries trying to take surfer down
All these tricks SS can do to Superman takes a long time. So it is a matter of who hits the other first.
Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
The OP didn't give a small backstory, no stipulations and certain cans or can-nots, it's simply a fight, one against the other. So them acting in character, ie, attempting to talk down the combatant before the fight ensues, isn't really taken into consideration in this particular fight.So we can assume it's simply character A vs character B, and Superman fights with his fists, and a speed blitz is a viable option, considering he's acted this way many times before, that's IN character.
Surfer getting beat by Thanos' fists may be out of character for Surfer, so i didnt factor him doing this into this fight, i wrote in an earlier post what i think Surfer's tactics would be, and also what i thought Superman's would be, also.
Basically, i don't think the Surfer could take many of Superman's punches, and Superman couldn't take energy draining on a hugely powerful-blast type scale.
Surfers pre-fight analysis won't be PRE-fight in this case, it'll be DURING the fight, at the very beginning, which would take longer than Superman simply charging forward and punching him once.However you look at it, IMO, neither combatant is considerably more powerful than the other. They just excel at different things.
Fight could go either way.
Those rules are in place when a threadstarter does not make any stipulations...like this thread...i am not trying to say they will talk...but it is not in supermans character to speedblitz a combatant with all he's got right off the bat(superboy prime is a great in character speedbitzer from the start)..surfer could have kinetic absorbtion and rechanneling...how does superman know? i am not totally sure what common knowledge would mean to characters from different universes, but i dont think its exact power sets?
IMO no body is one shotting the other or speedblitzing the fight to an end in the first exchange...they both have great durabilty
Wow this thread is on a roll 🙂