Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by starlock
Those rules are in place when a threadstarter does not make any stipulations...like this thread...i am not trying to say they will talk...but it is not in supermans character to speedblitz a combatant with all he's got right off the bat(superboy prime is a great in character speedbitzer from the start)..surfer could have kinetic absorbtion and rechanneling...how does superman know? i am not totally sure what common knowledge would mean to characters from different universes, but i dont think its exact power sets?

IMO no body is one shotting the other or speedblitzing the fight to an end in the first exchange...they both have great durabilty

Wow this thread is on a roll 🙂

It would be interesting to speculate how these two would behave in this situation, i mean, not that i'm using this as source material, but in the Marvel vs DC crossover, when Surfer fought Kyle and Superman fought Hulk, neither Superman nor Surfer wanted to fight, but they had to.
Superman instantly punched Hulk before Hulk could even react and Surfer met Kyle with an offensive too.

All we can do is speculate of course, it's fun to do that. If they both know about the fight and no nothing of each other, it's more than likely Superman will go straight for the punch to end it quickly, especially if he knows there is no alternative.
Maybe Surfer would choose to defend rather than attack first? Not so sure.

It's fun to speculate 🙂

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
It would be interesting to speculate how these two would behave in this situation, i mean, not that i'm using this as source material, but in the Marvel vs DC crossover, when Surfer fought Kyle and Superman fought Hulk, neither Superman nor Surfer wanted to fight, but they had to.
Superman instantly punched Hulk before Hulk could even react and Surfer met Kyle with an offensive too.

All we can do is speculate of course, it's fun to do that. If they both know about the fight and no nothing of each other, it's more than likely Superman will go straight for the punch to end it quickly, especially if he knows there is no alternative.
Maybe Surfer would choose to defend rather than attack first? Not so sure.

It's fun to speculate 🙂

I think superman made a reference that he has fought the hulk before and knew he needed to take him out quick...but a fan voted versus match with the universe at stake is a little more than this thread has elluded to...but like you said using it as source material 🙂

See and i think differently...i see superman hitting him with heat vision and/or frost breath to start it off...and according to most if not all superman comics..when does he go all out and bloodlusted? hardly ever...untill he needs to

But i agree its fun....especially with good and polite debators 😎

Originally posted by starlock
I think superman made a reference that he has fought the hulk before and knew he needed to take him out quick...but a fan voted versus match with the universe at stake is a little more than this thread has elluded to...but like you said using it as source material 🙂

See and i think differently...i see superman hitting him with heat vision and/or frost breath to start it off...and according to most if not all superman comics..when does he go all out and bloodlusted? hardly ever...untill he needs to

But i agree its fun....especially with good and polite debators 😎

It's true Supes may start the fight with Heat Vision or Arctic Breath or something, but he's intelligent enough to realize that it won't be affecting Surfer too much, then he'd know it would be time for blunt force trauma, and everyone knows Supes can deal some hurting with those fists of his.

I figure that if he started the fight with HV or AB, then he most likely would lose that fight due to giving Surfer the time he needs to initiate some kind of energy manipulation.
However the fights he starts with his fists, are his best chance of success.

Originally posted by Unnatural-POWER
It's fun to speculate 🙂

Oh well. Doesn't mean it still couldn't happen... 😖hifty:

Originally posted by h1a8
My analogy makes perfect sense. A bias mind cannot see the truth.
Your scan is invalid. SS blasts him before he teleports away. SS detects motion and calculates the trajectory of the foe. One doesn't need any amount of reflexes to do this. The ability to calculate makes this possible. And note it takes SS several seconds to think in order to calculate his trajectory (which shows slow thinking times). This is time he won't have vs. Superman.

Funny your one to talked about biased opinions..

Huhh! So the blast attack that comes after the calculation is not a reflex move?

Teleportation is near or instantaneous movement from point a to b.. Being able to calculate a trajectory and take action @ mid teleportation
shows fast (ftl, taking into account other scans) processing and reflex speed.

You didn't necessarily prove me wrong. Hyperspace travel can be very well warp travel according to some definitions.

Anyhow, It matters not really since where going by Marvels definition
and as it explains in Infinity Crusade Crossover (comics published my marvel) Hyperspace is a DIMENSION... PERIOD

Warp happens by manipulating/bending space time in normal space.. It also allows you to interact with object in normal space.

SS obviously used hyp2erbole (exaggeration talk) since not only does no other on panel events verifies it but they all contradict it. Now SS has CA. In no way does that provides him with the battle speed and reflexes to dodge a Superman blitz. Your scan doesn't show FTL reflexes. What are you smoking? Calculating a wormhole opening has everything to do with CA and not plain reflexes. But at least your scan supports that SS can't travel FTL without hyperspace or a wormhole.

"His taking notes by the billion and billions of stars that races past him, any changes is noted in his mind", That is a process done by his mind.
This was to show you that his mind process @ FTL.

There is a lot of scans we've provided that shows Surfer reflexes, unfortunately you dont seem to grasp or have a really way off interpretition of those scans..

My friend, you grossly mis comprehend the English in my post. I never said SS was lying (I didn't even imply it). I just said that SS saying that he has the ability to travel faster than light has nothing to do with his current traveling speed (Unless he or the narrator explicitly
says what speed he is now going).

Yes it is SS's only way. I believe Marvel over speculation any day. Marvel just thinks warp speed is also hyperspace. The same is said with Gladiator.

I beleived H1A8 is just plain wrong, H1A8 over speculate any day, H1A8 tthinks teh Superman is uber. The same is said with Bat-Kick..lol

Originally posted by starlock
Those rules are in place when a threadstarter does not make any stipulations...like this thread...i am not trying to say they will talk...but it is not in supermans character to speedblitz a combatant with all he's got right off the bat(superboy prime is a great in character speedbitzer from the start)..surfer could have kinetic absorbtion and rechanneling...how does superman know? i am not totally sure what common knowledge would mean to characters from different universes, but i dont think its exact power sets?

IMO no body is one shotting the other or speedblitzing the fight to an end in the first exchange...they both have great durabilty

Wow this thread is on a roll 🙂

You mistake the being in character rule. That rule mentions whether it is in a character to perform a power (and not when they will perform it). For example, Thor doesn't Godblast right off the bat either. But it is a viable tactic here (look at the forum rules) because since Thor has done it then it is in character for him to do it anytime he deems necessary (even if it is at the start of the match). The same goes for Superman.

Originally posted by Roldz
Seriously!!! Your analogy is lacking..

Funny your one to talked about biased opinions..

Huhh! So the blast attack that comes after the calculation is not a reflex move?

Teleportation is near or instantaneous movement from point a to b.. Being able to calculate a trajectory and take action @ mid teleportation
shows fast (ftl, taking into account other scans) processing and reflex speed.

Some defininitions???? Would you kinda explain to me this other definitions?

Anyhow, It matters not really since where going by Marvels definition
and as it explains in Infinity Crusade Crossover (comics published my marvel) Hyperspace is a DIMENSION... PERIOD

Warp happens by manipulating/bending space time in normal space.. It also allows you to interact with object in normal space.

"His taking notes by the billion and billions of stars that races past him, any changes is noted in his mind", That is a process done by his mind.
This was to show you that his mind process @ FTL.

Heres a quote from you, "Maybe Supes can go FTL the first instant if he's determined enough. Here's something convincing. Fast enough to block HV but not fast enough for Supes himself (Supes is faster than his HV the first instant)
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=351yc.jpg."
There was no mention of Supes going at FTL speed in that scan but according to you his going @ FTL.. Yet in those scan i posted w/ Surfer being refered to a streak of light just before blitzing his opponent. He also mention himself being able to move faster than light = someone who cant go light or ftl speed in battle.. Double standard are we..lol

We have given you ample of evidence yet you've given as none.. You know your wrong..

I beleived H1A8 is just plain wrong, H1A8 over speculate any day, H1A8 tthinks teh Superman is uber. The same is said with Bat-Kick..lol

Originally posted by severance
Wow pretty balanced cheers

Could go either way but Supes has only one way to win overwhelm via speed blitz SS has many ways energy drain, kryptonite radiation, red sun radiation are the most obvious
Perhaps he could concievably change supes molecular structure to something much weaker
or turn off his invulnerability filed and blast him to atoms, fly him into the void where there is almost no sunlight and let him drain his own batteries trying to take surfer down

I'm glad you brought this up, because this seems to be one of the reasons why people feel that Surfer wins this match. Don’t feel like I’m picking on you specifically.

I'm not going to say that this is "stupid" or "retarded" logic. I'm simply going to explain why I disagree with this.

Having many, convoluted ways/ideas for taking down a character is all well and good, but the prime factor is execution. If a character has a single, yet uncomplicated way of winning (which Superman doesn’t btw, I’m just going by most other’s logic on this one), that becomes much more efficient when the execution of it is simple and effective. In other words, having more options doesn’t mean having more wins. In fact, the simplicity of Superman’s plan gives him an edge over Surfer’s tactics that most bring up in this thread.

Surfer’s plans would require time and contemplation, all in the middle of battle, while Superman would just bulrush him immediately.

Anyway, just my two cents.

still can't see Superman even keeping up with Surfer's speeds, nevermind blitzing him.

and no argument yet for why Surfer would even succumb to Superman's punches when he didn't fall under the blasts, punches, blows and smashes from Teneberous and Aegis.

being honest, I can't see a reasonable way for Superman to ever win a match against Surfer, if both are at optimal levels.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm glad you brought this up, because this seems to be one of the reasons why people feel that Surfer wins this match. Don’t feel like I’m picking on you specifically.

I'm not going to say that this is "stupid" or "retarded" logic. I'm simply going to explain why I disagree with this.

Having many, convoluted ways/ideas for taking down a character is all well and good, but the prime factor is execution. If a character has a single, yet uncomplicated way of winning (which Superman doesn’t btw, I’m just going by most other’s logic on this one), that becomes much more efficient when the execution of it is simple and effective. In other words, having more options doesn’t mean having more wins. In fact, the simplicity of Superman’s plan gives him an edge over Surfer’s tactics that most bring up in this thread.

Surfer’s plans would require time and contemplation, all in the middle of battle, while Superman would just bulrush him immediately.

Anyway, just my two cents.

Originally posted by janus77
still can't see Superman even keeping up with Surfer's speeds, nevermind blitzing him.

and no argument yet for why Surfer would even succumb to Superman's punches when he didn't fall under the blasts, punches, blows and smashes from Teneberous and Aegis.

being honest, I can't see a reasonable way for Superman to ever win a match against Surfer, if both are at optimal levels.

What speed? The speed that almost got him killed by Thor? The speed that got him KOed by Thanos? What? He has no speed to defend him self in combat, he's good for a race if we going by distance, but in a purely physical battle, he's always done poorly.

Originally posted by dvampire
What speed? The speed that almost got him killed by Thor? The speed that got him KOed by Thanos? What? He has no speed to defend him self in combat, he's good for a race if we going by distance, but in a purely physical battle, he's always done poorly.

Thanos, who the hell knows how fast that guy is. as far as I know, the only time he got "speedblitzed" was when Runner fought him.

Surfer has speedblitzed entire armadas, has dodged and navigated entire asteroid fields at light-speed+.

it's not credible to still believe contrary to that. it's your prerogative obviously but it's not an opinion worth engaging with as it stands contrary to the powerset, feats, internal 'logic' of the character's powers and is just a manifestation of bias.

He's been around for years (about the same as Thor). And Thanos is slow as hell, so is Thor, both who are slower than Captain America and Spiderman, who run circles around both of them.

And power set doesn't = win

Supes has fought people with Surfer's powerset, like I said before, what can Surfer bring that Eradicator and other energy manipulator hasn't? I see Supes taking Surfer out in a physical battle long before Surfer takes out with energy blast.

Originally posted by dvampire
He's been around for years (about the same as Thor). And Thanos is slow as hell, so is Thor, both who are slower than Captain America and Spiderman, who run circles around both of them.

And power set doesn't = win

Supes has fought people with Surfer's powerset, like I said before, what can Surfer bring that Eradicator and other energy manipulator hasn't? I see Supes taking Surfer out in a physical battle long before Surfer takes out with energy blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes has been brought to his knees by Dr Light.

weak.

Originally posted by pr1983
weak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Whats weak?

using an intensely low showing.

Originally posted by pr1983
using an intensely low showing.

So Surfer getting ko'ed by a brick is fair game 😖hifty:

Spoiler:
and yes I think it's PIS/CIS

Originally posted by quanchi112
I guess I should ignore all Supes low showings as you see that its fine when people post about the high showings but cry foul when I mention a Superman loss. 😬

using it and talking about it as if its the norm, thats whats wrong.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
So Surfer getting ko'ed by a brick is fair game 😖hifty:

Spoiler:
and yes I think it's PIS/CIS

lulz...