[i]Surfer never tried to make Drax's power. We don't even know what kind of power it was. And you're trying to use it as evidence that Surfer cannot manipulate or create red sunlight? [/B]
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There are no energy forms or physical properties that Surfer has ever failed to ever duplicate or reproduce at will. He's one of the most effective matter manipulators in comics.
Originally posted by Ambient
http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Homecoming47.jpg
Surfer absorbs and transfer Red Solar energy..http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssvsuni3df8.jpg
Surfer transform matter and energy to any form he so chooses..
That's a great scan, however it shows him manipulating what is already there instead of actually creating the stuff.
Originally posted by Ambient
So since Surfer already knows the configuration of red solar energies taken from the 1st scan above and his is the power to transform energy to anyform his encountered or sampled, then it should be taken into account that it is within his power to configure PC into forms of red solar radiation blast..
In this scan, he is using the blackbody to transform the soul energy into cosmic energy. Another nice feat but outside of SS bragging of his powers, it doesn't show much towards his case.
Originally posted by Ambient
Supermans Current showing against red solar energies was pretty bad to a point where he was taken out with one shot.. So then lets meet in the middle, a doust of red solar energies would not allow Supes to operate at full capacity (FTL blitz/punch/durability/Strength) upon each successfull hit, an advantage toward Surfer..
It depends. If it's devoid of sun altogether then maybe, but red solar blasts in the open are usually not that effective.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg
Ruin actually uses Kryptonian weaponry and Supes explains that red sunlight (at those capacities at least) are fairly useless as he gains energy as quick as it's driven out.
Originally posted by Ambient
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http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0011pd5.jpg
Nova though it was an energy beam and he was facing directly at Surfer directiion when this happened.. 2X...http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer_Rune-14.jpg
Theres more... Non likes Supes of course but shows he can hang in with him...
This isn't bad, but Nova is no match for Surfer or practically any other Herald.
And if he gets knocked off the board, his speed seems to be drastically lessened. Superman hits mighty hard.
Here is Supes using a nerve touch.
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=424rf.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/thanos_spanks_surfer_02.jpg
he isn't "using blackbody to transform ..." the blackbodies are the souls - the psychic energies - that he has consumed and reconfigured into another form. the "blackbodies" where the souls that UniLord stole and corrupted, iirc. there is no "outside force" that he is using there.
as for the red sun, Surfer's shown that he can create any type of energy he requires - ionic energy for stopping Wonderman, for example. he was using the red sun purely as a reserve of energy to cast into Moondragon's gem.
Originally posted by AvlonIn this scan, he is using the blackbody to transform the soul energy into cosmic energy. Another nice feat but outside of SS bragging of his powers, it doesn't show much towards his case.
It depends. If it's devoid of sun altogether then maybe, but red solar blasts in the open are usually not that effective.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg
Ruin actually uses Kryptonian weaponry and Supes explains that red sunlight (at those capacities at least) are fairly useless as he gains energy as quick as it's driven out.
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Actually the blackbodys are the souls and he is the one who transforms the enrgy. The blackbodies ae not a medium by which he transforms the enrgy but instead make up the soul or psychic enrgy which he in turn converts to cosmic enrgy. This is very clear.
As for the use of red sunlight. SS will certainly be able to use red sunlight at a greater capacity considering his huge enrgy output. Also SS is a high level enrgy absorber as well so he could weaken supe by absorbing his enrgy and amping himself before unleashing the onsluaght of red sunlight enrgy. A
Originally posted by Avlon
That's a great scan, however it shows him manipulating what is already there instead of actually creating the stuff.
Originally posted by Avlon
In this scan, he is using the blackbody to transform the soul energy into cosmic energy. Another nice feat but outside of SS bragging of his powers, it doesn't show much towards his case.
Originally posted by Avlon
it depends. If it's devoid of sun altogether then maybe, but red solar blasts in the open are usually not that effective.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/SupesAOS647.jpg
Ruin actually uses Kryptonian weaponry and Supes explains that red sunlight (at those capacities at least) are fairly useless as he gains energy as quick as it's driven out.
A megadozed of red solar rad reffered to by Supes in the scan below brought him down. Just 1 shot.. Something within Surfer abilities to do so..
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/scan0001-1.jpg
Originally posted by Avlon
This isn't bad, but Nova is no match for Surfer or practically any other Herald.And if he gets knocked off the board, his speed seems to be drastically lessened. Superman hits mighty hard.
Here is Supes using a nerve touch.
http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=424rf.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/thanos_spanks_surfer_02.jpg
The board @ ftl speed can be called for or be use as a weapon if its separated, Surfer can also employ forcefield for defensive measure. He might loose his speed but gain an offensive tactic...
Thats it for now...
Originally posted by ultimatethor
As i have said in this thread, surfer is not going to need to continuously parry supes punches. A quick forcefield will take care of it. SS hand to hand skills are not actually horrible as darthgoober has shown evn though they are not as good as superman's. Ur analogy would have been useful if SS was confined to physically( with his hands etc) defending against supes attacks. While moving at multiple times FTL speeds, SS was able to note the exact position of evry single star he passed and use it to determine his exact position in the universe. I put it forth then that SS will definitely se supes attack and his only problem will be physically defending against it. This howver is not a problem at all as SS can instantly create a forcefield to protect himself. Heck evn IF( a big if) supes gets the first punch in he wont get in too many hits b4 SS forcfield goes up. Also id like too see some proof of supes punching an opponent at FTL speed or evn close to it. Also No comment yet on WW.( thats coming after this 😄 )
It is debatable that SS can create a forcefield in enough time before Superman lands a punch. He's not that freaking faster than Superman the first instant (if at all). Also, what about behind SS? SS hasn't shown any pivotal speed to stop an attack from behind from the likes of a Superman. Plus when has SS consistently shown he can created forcefields? This is as rare as they come. Even rarer than WW showing superspeed in battle. You get my drift?
Superman is capable of moving his arms at least at light speed. Thus it is no stretch of the imagination that he can indeed punch at that speed too.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is debatable that SS can create a forcefield in enough time before Superman lands a punch. He's not that freaking faster than Superman the first instant (if at all). Also, what about behind SS? SS hasn't shown any pivotal speed to stop an attack from behind from the likes of a Superman. Plus when has SS consistently shown he can created forcefields? This is as rare as they come. Even rarer than WW showing superspeed in battle. You get my drift?Superman is capable of moving his arms at least at light speed. Thus it is no stretch of the imagination that he can indeed punch at that speed too.
SS has created forcefields numerous times. It is not one of his rare powers. It is something he has used throughout his career. Most recently post anihalation SS was able to shield multiple ships in an entire different location just by blinking. He has used forcefields far more times than evn superman has used his speed in battle. Heck evn IF(not very likely) superman gets a punch in before SS can get up his forcefield he certainly wont get in enough punches to do SS any real damage.
All ss needs to set up the forcefield is a thought. Then when u consider his mental processing speed is far far far faster than light speed it is obvious that he will be able to get the forcefield up in time.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is debatable that SS can create a forcefield in enough time before Superman lands a punch. He's not that freaking faster than Superman the first instant (if at all). Also, what about behind SS? SS hasn't shown any pivotal speed to stop an attack from behind from the likes of a Superman. Plus when has SS consistently shown he can created forcefields? This is as rare as they come. Even rarer than WW showing superspeed in battle. You get my drift?Superman is capable of moving his arms at least at light speed. Thus it is no stretch of the imagination that he can indeed punch at that speed too.
Apparently, this:
Baseball is my specialty. I could have been a professional if I wasn't such a knucklehead. I can easily hit a straight 90-95mph fastball consistently with no problem. But when it comes to someone throwing multiple punches at me at much slower speeds then I have a problem. SS make be able to deflect the first punch thrown by Superman but certainly not all.
Says that an attribute cannot be extrapolated for a similar, yet different situation, just as being able to move an arm quickly is not the same as being able to punch quickly.
seriously, this is indisputable. nothing Superman can possibly do to give Surfer a fight, nevermind win a fight against Surfer. nothing.
Surfer's reaction times are many times faster than light, that alone makes ALL Superman's actions/reactions/attacks redundant.
Surfer's attacks are ALL lethal to Superman, be it a barrage of physical attacks from multiple points (his board and his person), energy drainage, cellular destabilisation (making Superman incapable of either taking in or keeping solar energy), astral plane attacks (Surfer absorbed an immense number of souls and boosted up his own powers before fighting UniLord - and he never, on-panel, relinquished that upgrade), transporting Superman to the Microverse and leaving him stranded there, banishing Superman to a red sun and binding him to it on a molecular level (ala Lunatik), encasing Superman in a bubble that absorbs ambient cosmic energies and converts them to Kryptonite radiation inside the sphere...
so far we have baseless, evidence-less, irrational claims for Superman getting the first hit in, we have no reason given as to why Surfer wouldn't be able to dodge Superman, we have no reason given as to why Superman would even be able to see Surfer's attacks - Surfer has speedblitzed Nova quite easily...
Surfer wins all day 10/10.
Originally posted by Ambient
Yes your right but think of the other way Surfer actually absorbs and reconfigure it into becoming PC onto his form then transfer it back as red sol energies to Moondragon in increments.. Similar to the next scan shown, him again reconfiguring soul energies into psi.. This scan was to show a form of evidence that Surfer can transform one form of energy to that of another, in this instant red sol (sampled it from 1st scan)..
In the 1st scan he redirected it though. He didn't actually create it.
Originally posted by Ambient
The Blackbodies are the means to carry the soul energies to the Unilord..
To sum it up Surfer copied all the abilities/capabilities (w/ little help of Unilord) of the speciallized Black body made by Unilord for use by the dimented Watcher..
He did get some help though since he didn't do it on his own. I see what you are going for though between the 2 scans.
Originally posted by Ambient
It says Light intensity energy not Red sol in that scan you posted and i think Surfers capacity to produce red sol rad is above Ruins weaponry..
The whole arc actually has Ruin using Red Sunlight and native anti kryptonian weaponry. Which actually leads to my next point and why I chose that particular scan...
Originally posted by Ambient
A megadozed of red solar rad reffered to by Supes in the scan below brought him down. Just 1 shot.. Something within Surfer abilities to do so..http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/scan0001-1.jpg
Supes is completely blocked off from the sun in this scan. Ruin did the same thing actually. However, as SS and Supes are fighting outdoors, my scan applies and overrides the indoor one.
Even then, Supes has fought many a powerful being under the influence of red sunlight and done well. He's even done well under kryptonite/red sun combinations.
Plus, it's freaking Amazo. He'd smack down both Supes and SS at full power and have a hearty laugh doing so.
Originally posted by Ambient
A glimpse of Surfer speed in battle to fast for Nova's eyes to fallow/see.
Like I said, Impressive, but Nova is pretty low on the totem pole of things.
Originally posted by Ambient
The board @ ftl speed can be called for or be use as a weapon if its separated, Surfer can also employ forcefield for defensive measure. He might loose his speed but gain an offensive tactic...
Agreed. Superman has punched though many a forcefield in his career though, and as shown in my scan a much slower Thanos knocked and angry SS off his board and put him down fairly easily.
If I remember correctly, the Absorbing man has done the same.
Originally posted by Ambient
Thats it for now...
Good stuff.
Originally posted by h1a8
It is debatable that SS can create a forcefield in enough time before Superman lands a punch. He's not that freaking faster than Superman the first instant (if at all). Also, what about behind SS? SS hasn't shown any pivotal speed to stop an attack from behind from the likes of a Superman. Plus when has SS consistently shown he can created forcefields? This is as rare as they come. Even rarer than WW showing superspeed in battle. You get my drift?Superman is capable of moving his arms at least at light speed. Thus it is no stretch of the imagination that he can indeed punch at that speed too.
Can you show me this scan of him moving his hands at light speed. I want to show it to my roommate. The last I checked the fastest punch he ever gave off created sonic booms. I would love to see this light speed trick.
SS creating forcefields
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/GalactusTheDevourer2-13-1.jpg
Here SS creates an unconventionally shaped enrgy field to protect these people.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/0Maximum_Security18.jpg
Forcefield that protects military base against firelord. Also note how quickly its created here. Firelords blast has already been fired and SS forcefield instantly protects the city b4 the blast gets there.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/80245_flvsss1.jpg
Another forcfield from. from in thy name
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/InThyName2020.jpg
Another forcefield
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Evnmoreforcefields.jpg
More of the same
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Forcefield.jpg
Instantly creates MULTIPLE forcefields
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Moreforcefield.jpg
EASILY Takes A VERY ANGRY hulk best shots with his forcefield
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SSforcefield1.jpg
Proof that SS has consistently used forcfield and that he can create them instantly. Also shows that his forcfields are really durable and hard to penetrate.
Lastly a scan i found showing how dangerous SS can be to supes
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/siphonenergy-1.jpg
Draining his solar enrgy and whacking him with red sun radiation would be hella easy for SS to do. SS can also ddetermine the make up of his enrgy spheres so instantly trapping superman in an red sun radiation/kryptonite enrgy sphere while draining his solar enrgy would also be very easy.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
EASILY Takes A VERY ANGRY hulk best shots with his forcefieldhttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SSforcefield1.jpg
Actually, even before the forcefield goes up, with Hulk's foot on his face, the Surfer doesn't look particularly distressed (he seems more "serious," from what I can see). I sometimes wonder why Soarin' Norrin even bothers with forcefields. I guess it's like a person with an umbrella: the rain doesn't hurt, but who needs to get wet.
Originally posted by Mindship
Actually, even before the forcefield goes up, with Hulk's foot on his face, the Surfer doesn't look particularly distressed (he seems more "serious," from what I can see). I sometimes wonder why Soarin' Norrin even bothers with forcefields. I guess it's like a person with an umbrella: the rain doesn't hurt, but who needs to get wet.
LOL don't know what the **** you guys are talking about but thats a nice example. 😂
