Originally posted by Avlon
Knowing what you are going for and agreeing with it are 2 different things. 🙂
Originally posted by Avlon
His usual red solar battles tend to be indoors or completely away from the sun. I never claimed that SS couldn't output more energy than Ruin.Also, what poor showings are you referring to?
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/scan0001-1.jpg
Well my claim is that Surfer's energy output is above Ruin, therefore would be far more efficient in outputting more red sol energy than the one use by Ruins weaponry resulting in a far more worse radiation poisoning than the Ruin feat which would make it more difficult for Supes to gain his strength back as the presence of radiation is by far much much higher..
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/scan0002-1.jpg
Red sol rad does poison his body...
Lost all his powers in a year after the Inf. Crisis ordeal and the recent Jla among others, not very much dough..
Originally posted by Avlon
Away from yellow energy against a far superior opponent to SS is not a bad showing in any way. Considering Supes has been tossed multiple times through red sun's and come out ok and still able to battle, he's still more than able to battle IF SS can reproduce or even knows about the weakness.The more likely scenario is that a good ko punch take surfer out.
Maybe but might prove difficult specially when your not at full strength and consider the durability of Surfer..
Originally posted by Avlon
The upgrade hasn't shown to be fruitful yet so that's mostly speculative at this point and as for blasts.since we have seen Surfer get KO'd by guys who are in Supes tier of strength and even below.
I believed it was only Thanos and Thor who Ko'ed him via physically, 2x in his whole entire career.. And who's below Supes level who's managed to ko'd him? Champion, Reptile, Runner, Lunatic, Drax ???
Originally posted by Avlon
He was flying at Thanos who knocked him off his board. SS was the one trying to ambush.. Also considering that Thanos is in Superman's strength class, can't fly, and is far slower than Supes. It's a good case against SS.Lunatik (which I fight to be SS best H2H battle) also physically dominated him and even KO'd SS for HOURS with his own board with far less than the planet destroying punches that Superman is capable of.
He didn't.
No, he never ko'd SS.. He was even preaching his views...lol
We've seen Supes dominated at first start then comeback more stronger this adds more drama to the story.. This feat again is prior to the upgrades..
I don't believed AM ko'd SS before..
Woow getting late, later...
Originally posted by Ambient
Hey, you couldn't say i didn't try 😉 ..
I have to give credit where it's due ol' chap. You did give the ol' college try... 😉
Originally posted by Ambient
That might be the case but like i said there's no yellow star/nearby sun in this particular battle, a megadoze of red sol rad would be as effective as the scan below..http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/scan0001-1.jpg
Well my claim is that Surfer's energy output is above Ruin, therefore would be far more efficient in outputting more red sol energy than the one use by Ruins weaponry resulting in a far more worse radiation poisoning than the Ruin feat which would make it more difficult for Supes to gain his strength back as the presence of radiation is by far much much higher..
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/scan0002-1.jpg
Red sol rad does poison his body...[/B]
Ruin was having the same effect with his anti kryptonian weaponry. It was pretty worthless once Superman got outside.
Major Force tried something similar outside and paid dearly for it.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y112/avalonofthewind/Supermanv218517.jpg
Didn't I move a planet UNDER A RED SUN?
While fighting an army under a red sun he can still pack a wallop.
Here is Supes fighting Zod under a red sun *with Zod being POWERED by the RED SUN* and Supes doing ok. As soon as the sun turned yellow again SUPERMAN INSTANTLY had his powers.
So unless they are fighting in a sunless void where neither Supes nor Surfer can absorb cosmic rays then the red sun is pretty much moot.
To touch upon that, Amazo had the combination of Supermans own speed and reactions, amped with Flash, AND Firestorm. Surfer on his own wouldn't be able to match the type of battle speed that Amazo had along with the knowledge to make a red sunlight "coctail" indoors in that specific situation.
Originally posted by Ambient
Lost all his powers in a year after the Inf. Crisis ordeal and the recent Jla among others, not very much dough..
That was an extreme case since he flew right through kryptons remains and then through it's red giant to then land in a planet (Mogo) full of kryptonite meteors.
Even then it was a mental issue as shown in Up, Up, and Away. Supes subconsciously didn't want powers. Even a GL ring did him no good at that time. When he needed them (he was about to get hit by a train) he instantly had them back.
Originally posted by Ambient
What was used to put Supes down with one energy blast was FS powers, not taking anything out of FS but one shot, i say thats poor showing considering that Flash took a lot more punishment and still manage to do a lot better.. Actually as many times as he was also affected by a his red suns weakness.. I explained how he might produce those energies, i really don't see why not. I mean his done so with ionic, solar, psi, cosmic, em, quantum, exotic, etc.. etc.. Using CA to know about the weakness part..
CA tends to be very general in nature and has never given Norrin information about weaknesses in any battle that I have seen. Superman can see enemies weak points and has done so to win battles utilizing his powers in various ways.
Originally posted by Ambient
Maybe but might prove difficult specially when your not at full strength and consider the durability of Surfer..
I won't take away from SS that he's one of the better top tiers, however, Superman is no slouch and not short of tricks himself.
Originally posted by Ambient
Actually it has.. lets take Surfer's energy absorption for instance during the infinity crusade he went mad after absorbing energies from a sun yet after the Unilord upgrade he was able to absorb enough energies to level a solar system and all of Unilord himself. His durability, take the Thanos feat for instance those blows nearly killed him but after his recent upgrade from Galactus it took T and A blows to severely injured him... Then there is that Blackhole and planet destroying casual energy output, i think all those are fruitfull 🙂..
The blows that T&A hit Surfer with can be equaled by Superman. Observe.
Tenebrous hits SS with a blow that makes a crater on a small satellite after Aegis blasts him.
Here Superman is hitting Konvict with enough force in each punch to shatter small planets. This is not the only time Supes has done this. Surfer is going to be in serious pain from Superman's blows.
As for Surfers BATTLE SPEED, here we have Black Panther hop a ride on Surfers returning board, catch Surfer as he is watching while riding the board UPSIDE DOWN, and then putting SS in an armbar before he can react.
A good burst of speed and blows like that, and SS is going down. Since we already know that SS doesn't have Amazo's Superman/FLASH speed and reflexes in battle, nor will CA grant him awareness of Superman's weaknesses plus they aren't in a void devoid of solar or cosmic energy the battle is far tougher for SS.
Originally posted by Ambient
I believed it was only Thanos and Thor who Ko'ed him via physically, 2x in his whole entire career.. And who's below Supes level who's managed to ko'd him? Champion, Reptile, Runner, Lunatic, Drax ???
Here is Lunatik KO'ing SS with his own board.
Surfer is out for quite a while.
continued...
Originally posted by Ambient
No you got it wrong.. Surfer was there to ask for Thanos help and he had his back at him then the attack started..
True, but SS had enough time to say a pretty long sentence (say it aloud with grammatical pauses) and then went to ambush Thanos, only to be knocked off his board and with a few casual punches. Thanos is far slower than Supes.
Originally posted by Ambient
We've seen Supes dominated at first start then comeback more stronger this adds more drama to the story.. This feat again is prior to the upgrades..
The drama is half the fun. 😉
Originally posted by Ambient
I don't believed AM ko'd SS before..
Probably not. I know he hit him though and was able to knock him off his board.
Originally posted by Ambient
Woow getting late, later...
Take care dude. 🙂
Originally posted by OneDumbG0why is it PIS
Avlon, I was going to respond to every single one of your points, but any reasonable response would be pointless because you used Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer.PHAIL
That's PIS on the level, if not worse, than SPvFL. In fact... yeah... it's even worse than SPvFL. Way to go.
what if BP sensed a weakness in Surfer and applied the armbar in such a way that Surfer could not leverage his strength?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Avlon, I was going to respond to every single one of your points, but any reasonable response would be pointless because you used Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer.That's PIS on the level, if not worse, than SPvFL. In fact... yeah... it's even worse than SPvFL. Way to go.
That's nice.
Originally posted by Starscream M
why is it PISwhat if BP sensed a weakness in Surfer and applied the armbar in such a way that Surfer could not leverage his strength?
The armbar part isn't even referenced in my retort. It's addressed to battle speed. He wants to cry about it, that's his issue.
Dude seems too wound up anyway..like his panties are too tight or something.
Hope he gets a coke and a
I love it when I see people using Thanos able to land hits on Surfer as a proof of SS not having fact reaction or battle speed
While same can be said about Super Man , Flask or any other Char who have been hit by Street level Char many times.
and beside it's not like thanos has trouble hitting speedsters
Originally posted by kgkg
I love it when I see people using Thanos able to land hits on Surfer as a proof of SS not having fact reaction or battle speedWhile same can be said about Super Man , Flask or any other Char who have been hit by Street level Char many times.
and beside it's not like thanos has trouble hitting speedsters
well, your grammar hasn't improved any in your absence. 😄
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ That seemed pretty unnecessary. I do something to personally offend you other then debate and call you out for using PIS that I don't know about?
Other than troll the thread as a self appointed PIS security guard?
There are moderators that take care of that job. You aren't needed for it.
Soul Calibur 4 awaits.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Either reply to his posts or ignore. Don't bash or flame. Thank you.
Avlon, I was going to respond to every single one of your points, but any reasonable response would be pointless because you used Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer.PHAIL
That's PIS on the level, if not worse, than SPvFL. In fact... yeah... it's even worse than SPvFL. Way to go.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Didn't know that pointing out PIS was bashing or flaming or use of the term "PHAIL." But that's not a problem.
Inflammatory Comment:
(adj) : tending to inflame or provoke somebody; causing or caused by inflammation
"sam posted an inflammatory comment in the talk page."
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Guess I'll respond to his points then.
What a marvel gesture. You're certainly doing the mod a favor. I hope he didn't trouble you by enforcing the rules.
I'm going to take his advice and simply put you on ignore instead.
Originally posted by AvlonAs we see here, Ruin's weaponry is driving out energy as fast as the natural sunlight is feeding him. But this isn't proof that Silver Surfer would fail in using red sunlight because you presume that Silver Surfer would either: 1) not be able to emit enough red sunlight to surpass Ruin's gun; or 2) not suck out the yellow sun's radiation faster then he would naturally absorb it; or 3) not use a simple field to prevent Superman from absorbing yellow sun radiation. Either of which are unreasonable presumptions. The same goes for Major Force and pretty much all of your other examples. If Silver Surfer knows that Superman gains his powers from the sun, which other DC fans have argued is common knowledge on DC Earth, then I think Silver Surfer would actually use tactics #2 and #3 more often than #1. Because I don't think Superman's red sunlight weakness is common knowledge on DC Earth. So emitting red sunlight is probably the least likely, although still probable tactic, that Surfer would use when attempting to beat Superman with his energy manipulation powers.
Ruin was having the same effect with his anti kryptonian weaponry. It was pretty worthless once Superman got outside.
Originally posted by AvlonAegis blasted Surfer with her eye beams first and I doubt that Tenebrous' blow was purely physical. In pure physical terms, Surfer's durability is unmatched. He can fight another Herald inside of a black hole. The physical stress that causes is far more destructive then a punch that would shatter a small planet.
The blows that T&A hit Surfer with can be equaled by Superman. Observe.Tenebrous hits SS with a blow that makes a crater on a small satellite after Aegis blasts him.
Here Superman is hitting Konvict with enough force in each punch to shatter small planets. This is not the only time Supes has done this. Surfer is going to be in serious pain from Superman's blows.
Originally posted by AvlonWe had this conversation already in the Green Lantern thread. You don't believe Surfer's four nanosecond feat scans pass muster to show superspeed. That's fine. But using this PIS example is just pretty desperate. By that same logic, Flash can get overtaken by Superman since he regularly gets clocked or nicked by his rogues gallery. And even if you wish to selectively ignore that comparison, by saying that Flash writers are stupid and McDuffie wasn't being stupid in that issue of Fantastic Four, Superman himself has far worse low feats than that.
As for Surfers BATTLE SPEED, here we have Black Panther hop a ride on Surfers returning board, catch Surfer as he is watching while riding the board UPSIDE DOWN, and then putting SS in an armbar before he can react.A good burst of speed and blows like that, and SS is going down. Since we already know that SS doesn't have Amazo's Superman/FLASH speed and reflexes in battle, nor will CA grant him awareness of Superman's weaknesses plus they aren't in a void devoid of solar or cosmic energy the battle is far tougher for SS.
Originally posted by AvlonUh, Lunatik is pretty much a Marvel pastiche of Lobo. Lunatik was pretty much Surfer's equal, by his own admission. Even Thanos, when Lunatik passed by a planet he was on, actually cloaked the entire planet in order to avoid a confrontation with him. You present the above scan like it was a low feat on Surfer's part. No thanks.
Here is Lunatik KO'ing SS with his own board.Surfer is out for quite a while.
