Originally posted by Galan007Surfer is following a light speed signal. At light speed, a signal travels one foot per nanosecond. How far did the signal travel before it ended up at it's source? A couple of hundred feet? Sound reasonable? That means the entire scene occurred in a couple of hundred nanoseconds. And within those couple of hundred nanoseconds, Silver Surfer was dodging an all points laser beam attack, swerving through corridors and blasting through walls with cosmic blasts. Then again, I suppose that you could describe all that happening within a microsecond also, a thousand nanoseconds = one microsecond. Yeah...
those scans are hard to make out, but i don't see the word "nano-second(s)" mentioned anywhere in them. did i miss something?
Ok. So switch that to: Within a microsecond.
Originally posted by Galan007And Surfer is prone to hyperbole? Superman can talk about shattering small planets and Surfer can't talk about nanoseconds? I thought Darthgoober already posted this... but when you have to calculate the trajectory information of billions of billions of stars within a few seconds... I'd daresay that is pretty indicative of him being able to think iin nanoseconds. After all, one second = one billion nanoseconds. A few seconds = a few billion nanoseconds. Here, he's got billions and billions of stars to look at and process within a few seconds:
i'm sure they can 'speed-talk'. however, is there any evidence surfer was doing such in that particular instance? unless there is, i'd just assume the use of the word "nano-second" was a tad hyperbolish. just my opinion.
And... err. Surfer's speech bubble from the first panel is clearly different when compared to his thought bubbles. I believe it's very clear he is speaking at the outset when he says he's free, and all times thereafter he's thinking. IMHO. A person can have his mouth open while thinking. 😛
Originally posted by OneDumbG0cool.
Surfer is following a light speed signal. At light speed, a signal travels one foot per nanosecond. How far did the signal travel before it ended up at it's source? A couple of hundred feet? Sound reasonable? That means the entire scene occurred in a couple of hundred nanoseconds. And within those couple of hundred nanoseconds, Silver Surfer was dodging an all points laser beam attack, swerving through corridors and blasting through walls with cosmic blasts. Then again, I suppose that you could describe all that happening within a microsecond also, a thousand nanoseconds = one microsecond. Yeah...Ok. So switch that to: Within a microsecond.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0i wasn't comparing surfer/supes. i was just commenting on inconsistencies i personally feel there are in that scan.
And Surfer is prone to hyperbole? Superman can talk about shattering small planets and Surfer can't talk about nanoseconds? I thought Darthgoober already posted this... but when you have to calculate the trajectory information of billions of billions of stars within a few seconds... I'd daresay that is pretty indicative of him being able to think iin nanoseconds. After all, one second = one billion nanoseconds. A few seconds = a few billion nanoseconds. Here, he's got billions and billions of stars to look at and process within a few seconds:
Originally posted by Galan007He thinks to himself, I'm gonna get trapped within a nanosecond... and he thinks as he physically flexes, "But that nanosecond shall not pass!" His physical flex occurred before a nanosecond passed. Where's the inconsistency?
i wasn't comparing surfer/supes. i was just commenting on inconsistencies i personally feel there are in that scan.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He thinks to himself, I'm gonna get trapped within a nanosecond... and he thinks as he physically flexes, "But that nanosecond shall not pass!" His physical flex occurred before a nanosecond passed. Where's the inconsistency?
No doubt, Surfer is just as much of a fast thinker as he is powerful with extreme versatility. Which is why he beats Superman in any standard confrontation 10/10.
Originally posted by horrorwolfAgreed. I wasnt aware of most of these scans put up by onedumbgo. I dont even think this will even be a match, I think the Surfer defeats him quite easily 10 of 10.
No doubt, Surfer is just as much of a fast thinker as he is powerful with extreme versatility. Which is why he beats Superman in any standard confrontation 10/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0see, i don't think it's quite that cut and dry. surfer says, "a nano-second more" [time starts] - he then goes on to finish the sentence with, "and i shall be thus encumbered for all eternity" [only then does he break free of the device].
He thinks to himself, I'm gonna get trapped within a nanosecond... and he thinks as he physically flexes, "But that nanosecond shall not pass!" His physical flex occurred before a nanosecond passed. Where's the inconsistency?
not saying it absolutely did not happen in a nano-second - but imo there are better and less arguable scans, showcasing surfer's speed.
Originally posted by Galan007The only inconsistency there would be, is if you presumed that the part where he thinks to himself, "and I shall be thus encumbered for all eternity" took more than a nanosecond. And by then, you've already assumed your conclusion. Surfer can obviously process information within a nanosecond. He's got the physical feats to support his ability to act within a nanosecond. His mere character status as the top of the line herald also supports a general presumption that he could do so. And his character is not prone to hyperbole. He usually gives very matter-of-fact statements. I don't even think I've ever actually seen him make a joke before. The only way to make a funny with Surfer is by focusing on his honest deadpan speech. Even Captain America and Superman can make a funny.
see, i don't think it's quite that cut and dry. surfer says, "a nano-second more" [time starts] - he then goes on to finish the sentence with, "and i shall be thus encumbered for all eternity" [only then does he break free of the device].not saying it absolutely did not happen in a nano-second - but imo there are better and less arguable scans, showcasing surfer's speed.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0i'm not calling your opinion on the matter wrong by any means. i simply believe that the statement in question was on the hyperbolic side of the tracks, and took more than a nano-second. did it still happen at ridiculous speeds? absolutely. but a nano-second? i'm hard pressed to believe that, myself.
The only inconsistency there would be, is if you presumed that the part where he thinks to himself, "and I shall be thus encumbered for all eternity" took more than a nanosecond. And by then, you've already assumed your conclusion. Surfer can obviously process information within a nanosecond. He's got the physical feats to support his ability to act within a nanosecond. His mere character status as the top of the line herald also supports a general presumption that he could do so. And his character is not prone to hyperbole. He usually gives very matter-of-fact statements. I don't even think I've ever actually seen him make a joke before. The only way to make a funny with Surfer is by focusing on his honest deadpan speech. Even Captain America and Superman can make a funny.
as i've maintained, only my personal opinion is being expressed regarding that scan.
Ruin was having the same effect with his anti kryptonian weaponry. It was pretty worthless once Superman got outside.Major Force tried something similar outside and paid dearly for it.
Didn't I move a planet UNDER A RED SUN?
While fighting an army under a red sun he can still pack a wallop.Here is Supes fighting Zod under a red sun *with Zod being POWERED by the RED SUN* and Supes doing ok. As soon as the sun turned yellow again SUPERMAN INSTANTLY had his powers.
The presence of radiation within Supes body must not have been that much as it was slowly draining his powers slowly.. The proximity between that planet and sun must have been similar to Supes adopted home therefore his exposure to the radiation is far lesser but if he had had stayed longer he would have definitely lost all his powers as the rad would be building higher and higher to the point of losing all of it, also take note of the natives on that planet, they are far too healthy.. Unlike say a blast from Amazo (1) , the full concentration of the radiation is unto Supes, again a much higher doze than that Zod feat.. Then again this is just my take on that showing (educated speculation ).. (Not taking anything of that feat, its still prettty good)...
(1) http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/.../scan0004-1.jpg
To touch upon that, Amazo had the combination of Supermans own speed and reactions, amped with Flash, AND Firestorm. Surfer on his own wouldn't be able to match the type of battle speed that Amazo had along with the knowledge to make a red sunlight "coctail" indoors in that specific situation.
(2) http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/.../scan0005-1.jpg
I mean if his accessing Supes/FS/Flash powers at same time, a single blast from Hal wouldn't severely damage him like that... The way i see it his accessing those powers one at a time on succesion..
It was a megadoze of red sol not a mixture of it. Flash was the one who said a "cocktail", Supes confirmed it by saying a megadozed or red sol..
Even if it was a cocktail Surfer shouldn't have a problem mixing em spectrum energies with red sol his mix diff. energies before at one go..
Originally posted by Avlon
That was an extreme case since he flew right through kryptons remains and then through it's red giant to then land in a planet (Mogo) full of kryptonite meteors.
Even then it was a mental issue as shown in Up, Up, and Away. Supes subconsciously didn't want powers. Even a GL ring did him no good at that time. When he needed them (he was about to get hit by a train) he instantly had them back.
I thought Supes powers comes from his unique krytonian make-up powered by a select star.. Not Gladiator like.. lol
The GL ring i can see with the mental issue but his krytonian powers was more like a choice between wanting to use them or not course thats after his soak up enough juice to be a Superman..
CA tends to be very general in nature and has never given Norrin information about weaknesses in any battle that I have seen. Superman can see enemies weak points and has done so to win battles utilizing his powers in various ways.
I know Superman can see his opponents weakness via the combination between his exp. and X-ray vision but by far differ than CA which not only it allow's perception outside EM spectrum but also a limited universal awareness and time..
Tenebrous hits SS with a blow that makes a crater on a small satellite after Aegis blasts him.Here Superman is hitting Konvict with enough force in each punch to shatter small planets. This is not the only time Supes has done this. Surfer is going to be in serious pain from Superman's blows.
As for Surfers BATTLE SPEED, here we have Black Panther hop a ride on Surfers returning board, catch Surfer as he is watching while riding the board UPSIDE DOWN, and then putting SS in an armbar before he can react.A good burst of speed and blows like that, and SS is going down. Since we already know that SS doesn't have Amazo's Superman/FLASH speed and reflexes in battle, nor will CA grant him awareness of Superman's weaknesses plus they aren't in a void devoid of solar or cosmic energy the battle is far tougher for SS.
His reflex(1) more than able to counter a good burst of speed and ive already explained how he perceived Supes weakness. Agree to disagree 😛 (i quess we just leave it at whoever is reading this..lol)..
(1) http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silversurfer198902312rpxg0.jpg
Lunatik did knock him out, I just didn't remember that or maybe choose to forget it..lol But he is by far more durable and powerfull current showing..
True, but SS had enough time to say a pretty long sentence (say it aloud with grammatical pauses) and then went to ambush Thanos, only to be knocked off his board and with a few casual punches. Thanos is far slower than Supes.
My take he used diff. powers on succession.. Take a look at the scan i posted when Hal with a blast severely injured him.. It wouldn't have happened if he had Supes durability.. More like he used Flash then FS powers. Surfers reflex is quite good there are scan of him countering a instantaneous teleportation assault..
Originally posted by Ambient My take he used diff. powers on succession.. Take a look at the scan i posted when Hal with a blast severely injured him.. ItÂ_ wouldn't have happened if he had Supes durability.. More like he used Flash then FS powers. Surfers reflex is quite good there are scan of him countering a instantaneous teleportation assault..nah. He wasn't using superman's durability at the time because he didn't need it. He was scanning the threats and using powers accordingly. he was using flashes powers and firestorm's simultaneously. just like he did withbatman and gl and flashes with the baterangs and the gl construct on flash.
Originally posted by Ambient
Then whats with Supes emblem on his chest? prior to the blast.. wouldnt it makes sense for him to leave durability specially against the powerhouse his up..
The emblem can be part of the theme that he keeps a part of who he's copied in his costume. Kinda like the post zero hour composite man did. Amazo uses any combination of powers at once. or didn't you notice that vixen was draining all of the leagues powers out of him simultaneously. why? becuz he'd assessed that she was the biggest threat to him. so he'd started to use all of thier powers at one time.
