Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer's transmuted things much more complicated than K-nite. The guy can create cosmic weapons from nothing, rebuild cities and space armadas, and transmuted multiple forms of energy in the past, so yeah I think he's got the feats to back up his being able to create K-nite given the frequency in which it's successfully been produced by energy/matter manipulators of a lower caliber.
"Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources. If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it."
Read that again. You are passing off opinion as fact. With the laser scans as well as with the whole kryptonite creation thing which you don't have anything to really back it up with...
You believe that he can...that is fine. I haven't attacked you for it..but let's see what you've been up to...
Originally posted by darthgoober
Surfer doesn't need the name of the energy type, but you do if you want to make the claim. After all..."No Bias Claims
"Batman can beat Thor because he's cooler!" That's an example of how not to debate. We would like to see the rationale behind any claims that one character can beat the other rather than a claim based on popularity and subjective bias.
[b]Also, we insist that all claims be backed up by evidence from canon sources.
If you claim that Spiderman is stronger than Superman, then you have to prove it."[/B]
Which we are still waiting for from you. Interesting how now you are trying to go for personal attacks. You post no bias claims yet without any kind of proof that SS can easily create kryptonite (since CA hasn' been shown to be sufficient to give him the formula and considering it's from a different universe, it's not 100% sure if it can be done) as if it is fact.
Second part. No real speed in battle scans. 30+ years of Surfer comics and the best you can post is some stuff with lasers that Captain america has topped. You want to show Surfer has incredibly fast battle reflexes...then show it in battle. Until then read the "evidence by canon sources again" to yourself.
Originally posted by darthgoober
You're making the claim that Thanos's energy type can be replicated because it's just a form of radiation right? Well were's your proof from a canon source that supports that claim? We've seen that K-nite can be replicated by energy manipulators of sufficient caliber from both Marvel and DC which is what the case for Surfer recreating it is based on, so what basis so you have to make the claim that Thanoscide can be recreated?
Feats from other characters aren't interchangeable with Surfer. Otherwise a decent GL could replicate all of Surfers feats.
Which proves my point. SS hasn't created every energy source (he had trouble with bio-energy as a matter of fact) so at best it's guesstimation on your end.
You want to attack because we have opposing viewpoints? Feel free, but then don't try and act like you are innocent of anything yourself.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And no, there's no double standard in place. Gold K-nite is just another form of regular k-nite so we know that it's just another frequency of radiation that needs be created. We have NO idea what kind of energy was used against Thanos.
With 1 appearance, you determined all that? Is magic K just a different frequency as well? Has it been recreated? Which universe from DC is it from? Do you know it's energy signature?
Pot call kettle black...
Originally posted by darthgoober
It's not ABC logic, it's just logic. You're right in saying that not all GL's are created equally but wouldn't you say that the top GL's could do anything that GL's of lesser ability could? Since Doom's tech drained Surfer's power cosmic when he was caught off guard in the past, don't you think that Lex's tech could do the same if given the same chance? Because I'm pretty sure I've heard you make claims to that effect before(but let me know if you've changed your mind and consider Surfer's power to be unstealable by anyone in DC).
ABC logic is when you make post's like these...
Funny, not only are those NOT ABC logic (like what you've tried to pull) BUT it's interesting how you went digging for THOSE posts, and yet COMPLETELY IGNORED all the times that I've said that the fight can go any given way.
Hypocritical to the extreme.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah... your definition of exploiting weaknesses. I'm not referring to things like that when I talk about Surfer exploiting other's weaknesses. Now you're not even making sense anymore.
Actually, you aren't. It's not difficult. It hasn't been shown by Surfer, your panels (which YOU haven't addressed specifically) don't prove your case and now you want personal attacks. Trust me. I can go and dig up old posts from you as well. Best to keep out of that department.
Check at how many times I said it could go either way.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't Bada already address your quanchi style downplaying of Surfer's feats(the exact feats your talking about in fact)...
Bada posted feats. He really hasn't gotten much into the debate itself other than that. While I've been saying anyone on any given day, you're talking about 8/10 wins for Surfer and claim hits from Supes won't do much.
Bias and personal attacks ftw. Great show Darth. 🙂
