Originally posted by horrorwolf
lol Surfer 10/10.Unless Norrin somehow becomes a total fool during this fight, and doesn't utilize his self-sustenance/regenration, ability-amping(powerset, reflexes, bodyarmor etc), speed, cosmic-awareness, matter and molecular maninipulation, or cosmic energy control/reproduction abilities.
Surfer is so stacked with resourcefullness....that it is highly unlikely that Superman could ever pull off a single win in an allout skirmish.
Exactly how many of these things have ever been proven effective in a actual battle. Were all still waiting for a h2h battle scan of SS that can compete agaisnt supes, were still waiting to see if k-nite or red sun radiation will be as taxing as some have claim. The only thing I see going for SS is narative hyperbole with almost no on panel evidence to back it up. Find me a scan of norin blitzing anyone without his board...shoe mw a scan of him accomposhing a strength feat comparable to supes?
Originally posted by fangirl101
And Yet Superman manages to get some wins against people who are far more versatile than surfer.
Supes beating people more versatile than SS doesnt count for sh*t. Were those people employing any of the tactics SS is and can use in this thread? Obviously not cuz supes wud never have even come close to beating them if they had.
Originally posted by ultimatethorAnd to be honest, Surfer has never shown me that he can beat one being as strong, durable, and fast in combat as Superman. EVER. Surfer can't beat Superman for the over whelming majority like some suggest he can.
Supes beating people more versatile than SS doesnt count for sh*t. Were those people employing any of the tactics SS is and can use in this thread? Obviously not cuz supes wud never have even come close to beating them if they had.
Originally posted by The Great Galen
Exactly how many of these things have ever been proven effective in a actual battle. Were all still waiting for a h2h battle scan of SS that can compete agaisnt supes, were still waiting to see if k-nite or red sun radiation will be as taxing as some have claim. The only thing I see going for SS is narative hyperbole with almost no on panel evidence to back it up. Find me a scan of norin blitzing anyone without his board...shoe mw a scan of him accomposhing a strength feat comparable to supes?
Why wold SS fight supes hand to hand? why would SS need to blitz supes without his board? Why would SS need to accomplish a strength feat comparable to supes with evrything else he can do? 🙄
Originally posted by ultimatethorI need to see surfer scan someone as fast as superman and then find thier specific weakness in mid battle. also while we are at it, is there anyone on superman's level that surfer has just pummeled with cosmic blast?
Why wold SS fight supes hand to hand? why would SS need to blitz supes without his board? Why would SS need to accomplish a strength feat comparable to supes with evrything else he can do? 🙄
Originally posted by fangirl101
And to be honest, Surfer has never shown me that he can beat one being as strong, durable, and fast in combat as Superman. EVER. Surfer can't beat Superman for the over whelming majority like some suggest he can.
Then u probably have not read any surfer comics. Superman may be stronger and faster in combat but he is not more durable. Also these advantages are easily negated by surfers truckload of other powers. Supermans marginal speed advantage is negated by surfers good reactions and near instant forcefields. His durability and forcfields also make him very hard to KO. Supes on the other hand can lose to SS through anything from BFR to enrgy absorption.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Then u probably have not read any surfer comics. Superman may be stronger and faster in combat but he is not more durable. Also these advantages are easily negated by surfers truckload of other powers. Supermans marginal speed advantage is negated by surfers good reactions and near instant forcefields. His durability and forcfields also make him very hard to KO. Supes on the other hand can lose to SS through anything from BFR to enrgy absorption.
Marginal speed? Superman is leagues faster than surfer in actual one on one confrontations. And Surfer isn't more durable than superman. instant force field? I've seen superman smash thru some insanely tuff fields. Surfer has a truck load of powers sure. But he's not out right out powering superman. which is why he can't win all of the matches out of 10.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I need to see surfer scan someone as fast as superman and then find thier specific weakness in mid battle. also while we are at it, is there anyone on superman's level that surfer has just pummeled with cosmic blast?
Surfer does not need to scan superman to find his weakness. Using KMC rules, SS already knows about kryptonite. Nextly im not sure what u mean when u say " supermans level" but SS cosmic blasts have taken down numerous herald level characters with his cosmic blasts, not to mention destroyed planets and created blackholes as side effects.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer does not need to scan superman to find his weakness. Using KMC rules, SS already knows about kryptonite. Nextly im not sure what u mean when u say " supermans level" but SS cosmic blasts have taken down numerous herald level characters with his cosmic blasts, not to mention destroyed planets and created blackholes as side effects.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Marginal speed? Superman is leagues faster than surfer in actual one on one confrontations. And Surfer isn't more durable than superman. instant force field? I've seen superman smash thru some insanely tuff fields. Surfer has a truck load of powers sure. But he's not out right out powering superman. which is why he can't win all of the matches out of 10.
Superman is faster yes but im yet to see a scan showing superman blitzing another being in a one on one confrontation at a determinable speed. Let alone the speeds that some people are claiming. Also surfer is actually more durable than supes. He has the feats to prove it. Superman might be able to break SS forcefield but he certainly is not doing it with his initial attack. Hence SS has time to attack himself. supermans only way of beating SS is physically knocking him out. This in itself is extremely hard to do. SS howver has numerous far easier ways of taking out supes.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Superman is faster yes but im yet to see a scan showing superman blitzing another being in a one on one confrontation at a determinable speed. Let alone the speeds that some people are claiming. Also surfer is actually more durable than supes. He has the feats to prove it. Superman might be able to break SS forcefield but he certainly is not doing it with his initial attack. Hence SS has time to attack himself. supermans only way of beating SS is physically knocking him out. This in itself is extremely hard to do. SS howver has numerous far easier ways of taking out supes.
Originally posted by fangirl101
superman has survived a double black hole and flown out of it. Could Surfer do it? Thanos had a hard time with one black hole. And If surfer knows that superman has a weakness, that doesn't mean he knows how to create a substance he's never ever experienced. And it doesn't mean he's going to have the time since Superman would know what surfer can do and instantly go into T-VO, or some uber vibrating fist to skull trick.
Surfer has fought inside a blackhole while not even at full power. Really im not going to comment on T-VO because i dont think its nature has bin explicitly defined. Further since kryptonite radiation frequencies have bin produced by lesser enrgy manipulators than SS( at least according to darthgoober) it would not be a problem. Also i posted a scan earlier of superman telling triumph that draining the solar enrgy from his cells could kill him. Surfer can easily do this. Red sun radiation would alsobe easy for SS to create. Lastly uber vibrating fist to skull is just ridiculous considering that SS can also become intangible.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer has fought inside a blackhole while not even at full power. Really im not going to comment on T-VO because i dont think its nature has bin explicitly defined. Further since kryptonite radiation frequencies have bin produced by lesser enrgy manipulators than SS( at least according to darthgoober) it would not be a problem. Also i posted a scan earlier of superman telling triumph that draining the solar enrgy from his cells could kill him. Surfer can easily do this. Red sun radiation would alsobe easy for SS to create. Lastly uber vibrating fist to skull is just ridiculous considering that SS can also become intangible.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Nah. Surfer only has two ways to take supers out. K-nite and red sun light. And that depends on superman on any given day. sometimes he over comes knite and red sun and sometimes for the sake of the story, he doesn't. And I think that if superman can build a city, and i'm talking all those small little details, in like a minute flat, he can certainly bitz at the speeds that people say he can. And I doubt surfer is more durable than superman. where did you get that from? Surfer has been dissected a couple of times.
What of teleportation into the future after encasing him in an enrgy sphere? or simply draining his solar enrgy? Further you are the one that claimed that talked about supermans speed in one on one confrontations. And yet you provide no examples of the this speed. And yes surfer is more durable than supes. Being dissected by the unilord and reconsitituting urself is hardly a bad feat. Taking numerous out to kill shots from two near galactus level beings in Tenebrous and Aegis widout being koed shows surfers durability.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Firest and foremost, Triumph at that point was beyond the surfer. He had been amped by a magical 5 d imp. He was like an uber magnetic, energy manip, with magic backed powers and senses plus all of superman's powers. He only got the chance to even get that close to supers becuz he was so far ahead of supers. Now, the only other being i've seen recreate kryptonite is firestorm. and all firestorms can manipulate matter better than Silver surfer. it's thier thing. They can even do shit he can. like energy constructs and stuff.
Really im sure it debatable as to whether triumph at that point was beyond SS in enrgy manip. What feats did he have to prove it? Also SS does not even need to absorb all supes enrgy, he just needs to absorb enough of it to considerably weaken supes. Then finsih him off with his other powers. And saying that matter manip is firestorms " thing" hardly proves that he is superior to SS in that regard. They rcertainly comparable.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
What of teleportation into the future after encasing him in an enrgy sphere? or simply draining his solar enrgy? Further you are the one that claimed that talked about supermans speed in one on one confrontations. And yet you provide no examples of the this speed. And yes surfer is more durable than supes. Being dissected by the unilord and reconsitituting urself is hardly a bad feat. Taking numerous out to kill shots from two near galactus level beings in Tenebrous and Aegis widout being koed shows surfers durability.
So you have no valid reason for why SS cant absorb supes solar enrgy? Supes is more powerful than SS? in what way? SS has way more powers than him and is among the top dogs in almost evry single one of those powers. What then do u define as being more poweful? SS has absorbed enrgy from heralds like, Firelord and terrax. Can u also explain or show an example of supes reverse absorbing? When did he become an enrgy manipulator? Draining supes cells to weaken him would be easy. Also why would SS need to touch supes to drain him? He is a high end enrgy manipulator not another version of rogue. Also why would surfer need to teleport himself to the future? The only person going anywhere would be superman. also that supes feat hardly justifies ur claim regarding his level speed in one on one confrontations .
Originally posted by janus77
SS absorbed UniLord's powers. UniLord >>>> Superman.these superman can win arguments are just very silly.
people throw Superman a victory or two out of charity and the desire for a quiet, civil, consensus but they'll never get it. superman fans are just not gonna try and reason this out 😐.
I can see you using unilord is going to be something to grasp onto. So Superman pulls surfer into the tvo land and pwns him a trillion ways.
