Originally posted by Starscream M
ok. superman will use his superior combat speed to outmaneuver surfer. now, I don't think his speed will overwhelm surfer, but combined with his strength and durability advantage, he will win in the end. superman is also the far better fighter imo.
Correction: far better MELEE fighter.
Surfer has him beat in range combat, IMO.
Originally posted by DesaadNo.
Hmm, are we talking ab out the Infinity Crusade thing? It's been a while since I read it (from Silver Surfer, right?) but I recall him just blasting Simon.
Whatever. Surfer effortlessly seeing radiation, manipulating it, finding specific frequencies to throw a radiation-powered foe out of phase, seeing how their powers work, seeing their histories... all effortlessly... doesn't cut it for you. Not surprised. I'm guessing Surfer scanning for and seeing the specific weakness in Unilord's makeup and exploiting it while getting overrun with his hordes wouldn't count either, because somehow... that's different.
Obviously, you want a scan of Surfer doing exactly the same thing he did with Gladiator (because somehow he wouldn't have simply used his Cosmic Awareness in that scene) to some other character who has a specific weakness to a specific radiation. I can't even think of another Marvel character outside of Hyperion or Gladiator who actually has that kind of a weakness. And Surfer's never fought Hyperion.
This is obviously about Superman. It has nothing to do with Surfer's capabilities or their scope. I get it.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No.Whatever. Surfer seeing radiation, manipulating it, finding specific frequencies to throw a radiation-powered foe out of phase doesn't cut it for you. Not surprised. I'm guessing Surfer seeing the specific weakness/flaw in Unilord and exploiting it while getting overrun with his hordes wouldn't count either, because somehow... that's different.
Obviously, you want a scan of Surfer doing exactly the same thing he did with Gladiator (because somehow he wouldn't have simply used his Cosmic Awareness in that scene) to some other character who has a specific weakness to a specific radiation. I can't even think of another Marvel character outside of Hyperion or Gladiator who actually has that kind of a weakness. And Surfer's never fought Hyperion.
This is obviously about Superman. It has nothing to do with Surfer's capabilities or their scope. I get it.
Yea I mean just because he did it to all those guys doesn't mean he could do it to Superman thats just speculating. 😬
Originally posted by Starscream M_
ok. superman will use his superior combat speed to outmaneuver surfer. now, I don't think his speed will overwhelm surfer, but combined with his strength and durability advantage, he will win in the end. superman is also the far better fighter imo.
Originally posted by Decimus
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True. So the the final tactic I heard was run and gun. So at what point would Norrin have to travel away from superman in order for him not to be considered as bfr-ing himself? Furthermore, if that is possible and possibly would be advantageous towards Norrin why can't Clark move away from Surfer say toward the sun or any other star other than a red one to keep things _from being so "obviously uneven".
It's not exactly a "Final tactic". There's like a dozen or so more tactics viable for the Surfer to do here. And you don't need to BFR yourself to outmaneuver an opponent. You know, cuz ppl can make TURNS and stuff to stay within the battlefield. :-/
Solar drain, intangibility, self-shrinking then entering Superman's brain, boardblitz to the head, Astral plane rapeage, red sun radiation blast, trapping Supes in his board (something he did to Genis) as well as several ways to BFR Supes such as time-BFR, tossing him in a black hole, shrinking him or simply teleporting Supes away.
Granted some are arguable if they would work, but they are all viable options Surfer could pull off to keep Supes off balance.
Sundipping is as much self-BFR as Surfer time traveling (something Norrin can do) to kill Kal as an infant.
Run and gun is simply something Surfer is KNOWN to do a a lot and Supes has very little he can do (due to his one dimensional advantage) to actually win a fight when Surfer uses this tactic as Surfer has superior travel speed as well as far superior range attacks.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's not exactly a "Final tactic". There's like a dozen or so more tactics viable for the Surfer to do here. And you don't need to BFR yourself to outmaneuver an opponent. You know, cuz ppl can make TURNS and stuff to stay within the battlefield. :-/Solar drain, intangibility, self-shrinking then entering Superman's brain, boardblitz to the head, Astral plane rapeage, red sun radiation blast, trapping Supes in his board (something he did to Genis) as well as several ways to BFR Supes such as time-BFR, tossing him in a black hole, shrinking him or simply teleporting Supes away.
Granted some are arguable if they would work, but they are all viable options Surfer could pull off to keep Supes off balance.
Sundipping is as much self-BFR as Surfer time traveling (something Norrin can do) to kill Kal as an infant.
Run and gun is simply something Surfer is KNOWN to do a a lot and Supes has very little he can do (due to his one dimensional advantage) to actually win a fight when Surfer uses this tactic as Surfer has superior travel speed as well as far superior range attacks.
What superior range attacks ?
Originally posted by paisapower
why is that superior to hv blasts ?
Because of what Surfer has done with them. Not to mention they have far more of a radius, can do more than just "standard damage", etc.
Clark does not want to get into a blasting contest with Surfer. If anything, he wants to keep this in his element of melee.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because of what Surfer has done with them. Not to mention they have far more of a radius, can do more than just "standard damage", etc.Clark does not want to get into a blasting contest with Surfer. If anything, he wants to keep this in his element of melee.
Any examples of those blasts
Surfer's ranged abilities are superior to Superman's. That's not to say Superman's ranged attacks are crap or anything, because they're not, and are well capable of hurting Norrin. Norrin just has more in the tank energy wise.
It's like people said; it's in Clark's best interests to get up close and personal, where his (imo) superior skill, strength and durability can get the job done.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer's ranged abilities are superior to Superman's. That's not to say Superman's ranged attacks are crap or anything, because they're not, and are well capable of hurting Norrin. Norrin just has more in the tank energy wise.It's like people said; it's in Clark's best interests to get up close and personal, where his (imo) superior skill, strength and durability can get the job done.
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Heat vision certainly doesn't suck. Superman's HV has damaged a lot of beings on panels. It's just common sense that Clark wouldn't want to trade blast for blast with Silver Surfer, who's probably the king of blasters in comics.
And if Clark manages to keep this fight a close and mostly melee one, then the odds shift in his favor.
Originally posted by JakeTheBanktechnically, clark's hv can be much wider blast than surfer's
Because of what Surfer has done with them. Not to mention they have far more of a radius, can do more than just "standard damage", etc.Clark does not want to get into a blasting contest with Surfer. If anything, he wants to keep this in his element of melee.
Originally posted by Decimusthing is surfer can't outrun clark within the battlefield...clark is far more maneuverable
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True. So the the final tactic I heard was run and gun. So at what point would Norrin have to travel away from superman in order for him not to be considered as bfr-ing himself? Furthermore, if that is possible and possibly would be advantageous towards Norrin why can't Clark move away from Surfer say toward the sun or any other star other than a red one to keep things _from being so "obviously uneven".
Originally posted by paisapower
Any examples of those blasts
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9429/annihilationsilversurfeiv2.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5159/annihilationsilversurfeay7.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5960/annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpg
That's not like Surfer going all out, either.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Surfer's ranged abilities are superior to Superman's. That's not to say Superman's ranged attacks are crap or anything, because they're not, and are well capable of hurting Norrin. Norrin just has more in the tank energy wise.It's like people said; it's in Clark's best interests to get up close and personal, where his (imo) superior skill, strength and durability can get the job done.
I agree that hes better off punching him out but Id like to see what surfer has done with blasts that kal couldnt replicate.
Originally posted by Deadline
Yea I mean just because he did it to all those guys doesn't mean he could do it to Superman thats just speculating. 😬
what?...obviously...they have never fought before so what else can u do besides speculate....its like saying supes speed will work on SS...all speculation
