^ Well considering he's done crazy things like transmuting black holes, Id say changing the energy sig of a Star should be well within his league to do.
Im not a big Surfer fan myself. I actually prefer Supes, I just think with all of Surfers transmutation abilities he could really exploit Supes weaknesses.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankEnergy draining shouldn't be auto-win, but I'm hard-pressed to recall times where Superman's shown particularly good resistance to energy draining.
Superman's resistant to draining. But Surfer can definitely drain him. How effectively and efficiently is what should be debated, not whether or not he can't.
Transmuting a sun may be "easier" than everyone thinks. Stars turn red because the fuel they burn changes (I believe it's hydrogen to helium). So technically, Surfer doesn't have to change the whole star, just the fuel at its core.
I know, I know: interjecting real-world physics into comics is asking for trouble. But I couldn't resist.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Energy draining shouldn't be auto-win, but I'm hard-pressed to recall times where Superman's shown particularly good resistance to energy draining.
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Originally posted by Mindship
Transmuting a sun may be "easier" than everyone thinks. Stars turn red because the fuel they burn changes (I believe it's hydrogen to helium). So technically, Surfer doesn't have to change the whole star, just the fuel at its core.I know, I know: interjecting real-world physics into comics is asking for trouble. But I couldn't resist.
Considering that comic writers take liberties with the science they know... Exposé your facts to a writer and you'd have an interesting story
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, he cheapshotted him from behind with red sun light which immediately sent him inside the building. Last time I checked indoor means inside of a building or something like that. Its not going to be the match decider as this fight isn't going to be fought inside a building or is it? It was also unclear how much energy faust was using on superman and superman was taken by surprise. He also has some great showings against red sun-light and its not like surfer's going to just start the fight by shooting red sun light at kal, that's not in his character.
I never said it was going to be a match decider and unlike you im taking both the good and bad feats into account and attempting to come to some sort of balance. He has shown resistance to it but the on panel evidence clearly shows that it is not going to be useless .If it was people wouldnt consistently resort to attempting to use it again and again. Indeed it was unclear how much energy faust used on Superman, but featwise surfers got Faust beat in energy projection so thats moot. I never claimed Surfer is just going to start spamming red sun energy from the get go....all i showed was that it was still a potent avenue of attack that he has access to and is thus not useless but rather advantageous. My case against superman is a cumulative one in which the preponderance of surfers advantages give him the solid win....I never claimed that this alone would be the match ender.
You are not understanding my point, at that time superman's body was buried for a long time and his soul was captured by blaze. It was said that he would've died if his body hadn't been taken to the fortress by eradicator. That was the complete scene of him trying to drain superman's body and failing to do that, the next we see him is in the FOS where he states that he couldn't directly siphon his energies and had to absorb it through machines. Oh that wasn't my point at all, my point was that a soulless, dying body can't be fully drained by a top-tier energy manipulator, it's just speculation that surfer could drain him while he is actively resisting. As for triumph, as I said superman has been very weak to IMP created powers and constructs throughout his post-crisis history and in an arc where it was specifically stated that he is weak to magic, its not up to me to prove that IMP magic didn't play a part . I don't have to prove a negative. As for polaris, he didn't drain superman he just bent light away from him making him blind
Ok for your sake it would have been good if you stopped with the debliberate misrepresentation or FLAT OUT LYING right here. The scan that you are trying to use to show supermans energy draining resistance actually shows eradicator trying to drain Supermans body and succeeding. Within the scan all we see is eradicator marvelling at the power (which shows that he was able to access it in the first place) with no indication of any failure on his part. I had a feeling something was up and thats why i said you should post the whole scene and here it is:
As clearly seen, Eradicator, did not fail to absorb supermans energy, He succeeded in doing so and was able to take human form. Even in the very scan you selectively posted we see him beginning to take human form in the last panel with the energy surrounding him and then on the very next page, we see him celebrating how he is alive again and no longer an immaterial wraith, which he would have remained if he had had not reclaimed the energy. He is however blinded by light and realizes that something is wrong with his body and so decides to go to the fortress:
What we see in the fortress, isnt eradicator claiming that he couldnt directly take supermans energy, he has already done that hence the reason he is no longer immaterial. What he actually, claims is that he can no longer absorb energy from the Sun and Stars because his new body is limited. Hence the machines in the Fortress are keeping him alive by feeding him that solar energy which he can no longer absorb naturally in his new body. To recap therefore, not only did eradicator succeed in draining superman but additionally, his new body (gotten after he had taken supermans energy) and consequently his own limitations were the cause of him being unable to absorb sunlight from the stars. Attempting to present this as an energy draining resistance feat on the grounds of which superman will resist a manipulator of Surfers calibre is entirely disengenuous and is one of the most deliberately dishonest things I have seen on this forum
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As for the triumph thing, the issue isnt you proving a negative,(lol you have your reasoning ass backwards), its to prove the claim the that IMP magic was the sole reason Triumphs powers worked against Superman who u claim is normally resistant to it. That is a positive claim i.e an assertion made by you which requires proof. Post scans supporting this assertion (and please post all the relevant ones this time) cause quite frankly anything you say about any arc invovling superman is hardly credible as we have seen and either victim of deliberate twisting or a genuinely criminal lack of comprehension.
On to Polaris, you are wrong there again. Its obvious that when you post scans, u secretly hope that no one willl open up the links. After having the read the comics in question(AC 827 and 828) its plain as day that Solar draining certainly did take place. First relevant scan occurs on page 19/20 of AC 827. It immediately becomes clear here that when he uses the word BEND he is metaphorically talking about his ability to deftly manipulate the electromagenetic spectrum. Hence Polaris/repulse uses his control over the EM spectrum to blind superman withinfrared rays as clearly referenced in the dialogue.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics827page19.jpg
Superman is already blind by infrared (as seen in the previous scan where supes crawls on the ground) when Polaris begins to drain the Solar energy out of him saying "no more solar vitamin shakes for you"
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics827page21.jpg
Its clear as day therefore that these are two different processes and your juxtaposition of them is patently (and once again) false. Still so that this can be shown beyond reasonable doubt ill show more. All
this is towards the very end of AC 827. In AC 828 on about the 4th or 5th page, Superman then confirms that he is still fighting blind and once again references Polaris control of infrared light as the direct cause coroborating what Polaris/repulse himself claimed
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics828page04.jpg
Fast forward to about page 10 however, and we see Polaris/repulse once again directly referencing sapping supermans strength by taking away his solar radiation
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics828page10.jpg
He is doing it slowly but it is clear from the dialogue that the draining is taking place...Smh at the extent to which this needs to be explained. Comics are not esoteric texts that require advanced hermeneutics. Its disheartening that I have to keep holding your hand and walking you through the comprehension of pretty pictures and text bubbles but Im not done yet so lets keep going facepalm facepalm
With major force
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With blackstarr
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...VSBLACKSTAR.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...SBLACKSTAR2.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...SBLACKSTAR3.jpg
Notice how she had to attack his brain neurons after trying to siphon his solar energy
As for the Blackstarr incident, Once again we saw how effective a direct energy drain is on Superman (and supergirl) as well as energy manipulation in general. Black Star ensares them in her absorption field thing and is absorbing their energy and then begins wrapping their brainwaves in a gravity web. Nowhere is it even alluded to the the energy absorpiton is not working. Thats your overactive imagination at work again. Her attacking their neurons was not at all a result of her failure to absorb their energy but rather her emphasizng her energy control by incapacitating them even further. The dialogue clearly shows this with her laughing and saying how every spark within them is hers to play with as she chooses. She had them dead to rights. In that comic however, Supergirl is actually viewing this from the 31st century and as she sees the way the battle is going asks Braniac 5 to send her mental waves back in time. Ill post the scans in order so the context is obvious to everyone:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackstarr6.jpg
(Above scan is where Supergirl gets her mind sent back and is what you left out.lol). In the very next scan below superman is still struggling until supergirl enters his head and Blackstarr wonders how he got the mental strength to break free since he was almost laid out previously
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR3.jpg
Next scan we see clearly that supergirls brainwaves are in control of him as he writes something on the wall with HV
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr2.jpg
Two pages onward Supergirl returns to the 31st century and indicates she did not travel to her body (i.e she went to supermans)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackStarr9.jpg
Then on the next and last page what Supergirl wrote is revealed and Superman's ignorance of the whole incident confirms it being supergirls doing
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr3.jpg
So Yet again and in the same post no less we have an instance of you leaving out mountains of context and prudent information in order to tailor on panel occurences to fit your superman sycophant agenda.
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Not really, its common physics that to cancel out a energy wave you have to create an exact equal of that wave at the opposite frequency of it otherwise the stronger wave would just override the weaker wave. In this case superman produced a harmonic wave so powerful that he canceled out a physical being so big that it was dragging entire multiverse with it. The last time miracle machine was used, it had to be powered by entire suns against time-trapper IIRC. You weren't implying about his skills at energy manipulation, otherwise you wouldn't emphasis upon old-power enough to satiate galactus for 1000 years. Hulk has been drained by other characters like titannus and his gamma energies are not comparable to superman's stored bio-energy
Your romanticization of supermans counter vibrations feat is hilarious especially with your projection of supposedly "common physics" onto a comic feat which clearly was not intended to support the inferences you are trying to derive from it. I wont even get into that anyways since its irrelevant to the discussion at hand unless ur argument is that Superman sings Surfer out of existence lmao. With your horrendous memory and penchant for misrepresentation of on panel fact, "IIRC" aint gonna cut it homie. Prove that the miracle machine necessarilly required entire sun levels of output to power it, with scans or issue numbers please or just drop what is already a tangential point anyways. No use making the valley ur in any larger. Oh and my referencing of the old power satiating Galactus for a hundred thousand years is directly relevant to Sufers skill at manipulating large amounts of energy. (he got tired after but that was partly cuz he also reconstructed planet Sakaar which was falling apart) That should go without saying but things have to be spelled out for u it seems. Hulk has been drained by other characters and ironically from many of the scans you posted yourself, so has superman (characters who happen to be inferior to Surfer no less). Talk about being counter productive
Personally I don't see surfer's shields taking more than one or two all out superman punches
Surfers feats and I say more than that for sure but no matter, the shields are only to bolster durability anyways and can be erected on more than one occasion as well as be used to counter attack etc. So again very useful and another advantage Surfer has.
As for the rest of your post...Even Carver would be ashamed of typing that.The amount of misrepresentation and on panel twisting in it goes from alarming to downright infuriating in no time. I was planning on just writing an evenly toned reply but Christ I dont think ive seen such an overt campaign to mislead in my whole time on KMC and it needed to be addressed..lol. I would like to believe that these were just honest mistakes cuz the scenes being discussed arent even debatable and can only be viewed differently, if you hve got on a pair of superman goggles coupled with Lois lane panties.....
You should probably change where u shop.
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Originally posted by Naija boyOwnage of the highest caliber.
Heh, lets start with the first one, Major force blasts superman with a blast of Dark Quantum energy which sucks the solar energy out of him and temporarily gives major force the advantage as he then picks up and tosses superman away. Superman however is able to quickly recover and overwhelm him using good speed to dodge the subsequent Quantum blast and then proceeds to melt him with HV. Good feat, but nowhere is Superman shown directly resisting an energy drain. He doesnt even receive a sustained direct energy drain attack in that instance but instead takes a single blast the drives the solar energy outside of his cells. Thats more similar to what happens in the case of a blast single blast of red sun radiation as opposed to prolonged draining. Additionally Superman uses his speed to dodge the second attack which lends credence to the efficacy of the attack in the first place. It is a good feat for his recovery time and HV but certainly doesnt show him willfully resisting a direct energy drain.As for the Blackstarr incident, Once again we saw how effective a direct energy drain is on Superman (and supergirl) as well as energy manipulation in general. Black Star ensares them in her absorption field thing and is absorbing their energy and then begins wrapping their brainwaves in a gravity web. Nowhere is it even alluded to the the energy absorpiton is not working. Thats your overactive imagination at work again. Her attacking their neurons was not at all a result of her failure to absorb their energy but rather her emphasizng her energy control by incapacitating them even further. The dialogue clearly shows this with her laughing and saying how every spark within them is hers to play with as she chooses. She had them dead to rights. In that comic however, Supergirl is actually viewing this from the 31st century and as she sees the way the battle is going asks Braniac 5 to send her mental waves back in time. Ill post the scans in order so the context is obvious to everyone:
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackstarr6.jpg
(Above scan is where Supergirl gets her mind sent back and is what you left out.lol). In the very next scan below superman is still struggling until supergirl enters his head and Blackstarr wonders how he got the mental strength to break free since he was almost laid out previously
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR3.jpg
Next scan we see clearly that supergirls brainwaves are in control of him as he writes something on the wall with HV
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr2.jpg
Two pages onward Supergirl returns to the 31st century and indicates she did not travel to her body (i.e she went to supermans)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackStarr9.jpg
Then on the next and last page what Supergirl wrote is revealed and Superman's ignorance of the whole incident confirms it being supergirls doing
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr3.jpg[B]So Yet again
and in the same post no less we have an instance of you leaving out mountains of context and prudent information in order to tailor on panel occurences to fit your superman sycophant agenda.
facepalm facepalm facepalmYour romanticization of supermans counter vibrations feat is hilarious especially with your projection of supposedly "common physics" onto a comic feat which clearly was not intended to support the inferences you are trying to derive from it. I wont even get into that anyways since its irrelevant to the discussion at hand unless ur argument is that Superman sings Surfer out of existence lmao. With your horrendous memory and penchant for misrepresentation of on panel fact, "IIRC" aint gonna cut it homie. Prove that the miracle machine necessarilly required entire sun levels of output to power it, with scans or issue numbers please or just drop what is already a tangential point anyways. No use making the valley ur in any larger. Oh and my referencing of the old power satiating Galactus for a hundred thousand years is directly relevant to Sufers skill at manipulating large amounts of energy. (he got tired after but that was partly cuz he also reconstructed planet Sakaar which was falling apart) That should go without saying but things have to be spelled out for u it seems. Hulk has been drained by other characters and ironically from many of the scans you posted yourself, so has superman (characters who happen to be inferior to Surfer no less). Talk about being counter productive
Surfers feats and I say more than that for sure but no matter, the shields are only to bolster durability anyways and can be erected on more than one occasion as well as be used to counter attack etc. So again very useful and another advantage Surfer has.
As for the rest of your post...Even Carver would be ashamed of typing that.The amount of misrepresentation and on panel twisting in it goes from alarming to downright infuriating in no time. I was planning on just writing an evenly toned reply but Christ I dont think ive seen such an overt campaign to mislead in my whole time on KMC and it needed to be addressed..lol. I would like to believe that these were just honest mistakes cuz the scenes being discussed arent even debatable and can only be viewed differently, if you hve got on a pair of superman goggles coupled with Lois lane panties.....
You should probably change where u shop.facepalmfacepalmfacepalmfacepalm [/B]
Originally posted by Naija boy
I never said it was going to be a match decider and unlike you im taking both the good and bad feats into account and attempting to come to some sort of balance. He has shown resistance to it but the on panel evidence clearly shows that it is not going to be useless .If it was people wouldnt consistently resort to attempting to use it again and again. Indeed it was unclear how much energy faust used on Superman, but featwise surfers got Faust beat in energy projection so thats moot. I never claimed Surfer is just going to start spamming red sun energy from the get go....all i showed was that it was still a potent avenue of attack that he has access to and is thus not useless but rather advantageous. My case against superman is a cumulative one in which the preponderance of surfers advantages give him the solid win....I never claimed that this alone would be the match ender.
Really, because all I see is you clinging to a low feat which is not applicable to this fight. Its not useless in the absence of sunlight but its next to useless in sunlight or you can ignore his very fast recovery time like you already do. Featwise superman beats every other top tier bar maybe thor and some other heralds in strength but it doesn't make him far stronger than everyone. I wasn't aware that surfer could summon rays of a sun from galaxies away. All I showed that superman recovers very fast in the presence of sunlight and any advantage it give surfer is very minute.
Ok for your sake it would have been good if you stopped with the debliberate misrepresentation or FLAT OUT LYING right here. The scan that you are trying to use to show supermans energy draining resistance actually shows eradicator trying to drain Supermans body and succeeding. Within the scan all we see is eradicator marvelling at the power (which shows that he was able to access it in the first place) with no indication of any failure on his part. I had a feeling something was up and thats why i said you should post the whole scene and here it is:
As clearly he can drain superman's soulless, dying body so completely that it completely that it makes an imperfect body and renders him unable to absorb energy either from sun or directly from superman. Congratulations naija, you showed what I already showed as Eradicator partially accessing superman's energies and making an incomplete body.
As clearly seen, Eradicator, did not fail to absorb supermans energy, He succeeded in doing so and was able to take human form. Even in the very scan you selectively posted we see him beginning to take human form in the last panel with the energy surrounding him and then on the very next page, we see him celebrating how he is alive again and no longer an immaterial wraith, which he would have remained if he had had not reclaimed the energy. He is however blinded by light and realizes that something is wrong with his body and so decides to go to the fortress:
An incomplete, partially blind, unable to directly harness solar energies from either sun or superman again body you mean. How efficient of an energy drain by a top-tier energy and matter manipulator from a dying body?
What we see in the fortress, isnt eradicator claiming that he couldnt directly take supermans energy, he has already done that hence the reason he is no longer immaterial. What he actually, claims is that he can no longer absorb energy from the Sun and Stars because his new body is limited. Hence the machines in the Fortress are keeping him alive by feeding him that solar energy which he can no longer absorb naturally in his new body. To recap therefore, not only did eradicator [B]succeed in draining superman but additionally, his new body (gotten after he had taken supermans energy) and consequently his own limitations were the cause of him being unable to absorb sunlight from the stars. Attempting to present this as an energy draining resistance feat on the grounds of which superman will resist a manipulator of Surfers calibre is entirely disengenuous and is one of the most deliberately dishonest things I have seen on this forum[/quote]
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Yeah, he did on a dying body of superman that was so efficient that it made him unable to use any of his energy absorption abilities and he could only harness superman's energies through machines despite having partially accessed them.? I don't know maybe we are talking about a dying body of superman resisting enough to a top-tier energy-manipulator to force him to make an incomplete body despite absorbing enough energy? If you're too slow to comprehend that we aren't talking about a conscious, actively resisting superman here, its not my fault. This "dishonest" thing coming from someone like you really makes me laugh.
As for the triumph thing, the issue isnt you proving a negative,(lol you have your reasoning ass backwards), its to prove the claim the that IMP magic was the sole reason Triumphs powers worked against Superman who u claim is normally resistant to it. That is a positive claim i.e an assertion made by you which requires proof. Post scans supporting this assertion (and please post all the relevant ones this time) cause quite frankly anything you say about any arc invovling superman is hardly credible as we have seen and either victim of deliberate twisting or a genuinely criminal lack of comprehension.
He isn't resistant to IMP magic, his powers are like putty for IMPs. From krisis of krimson kryptonite to almost every appearance of mxy, he's shown to be absolutely vulnerable against IMP magic. Here electric superman directly says that because doomsday clone was made by IMP magic he was even more dangerous.
On to Polaris, you are wrong there again. Its obvious that when you post scans, u secretly hope that no one willl open up the links. After having the read the comics in question(AC 827 and 828) its plain as day that Solar draining certainly did take place. First relevant scan occurs on page 19/20 of AC 827. It immediately becomes clear here that when he uses the word BEND he is metaphorically talking about his ability to deftly manipulate the electromagenetic spectrum. Hence Polaris/repulse uses his control over the EM spectrum to blind superman withinfrared rays as clearly referenced in the dialogue.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics827page19.jpg
How does someone blind anyone with energy drainage? Is this a new con of being drained? Great, now you're just repeating what I said that he blinded superman.
Superman is already blind by infrared (as seen in the previous scan where supes crawls on the ground) when Polaris begins to drain the Solar energy out of him saying "no more solar vitamin shakes for you"
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics827page21.jpg
LOL, so now being blind and saying "no more solar vitamin shakes for you " means he was draining superman. How much you can twist something so dimple? He was bending light away from superman making him blind as repulse said directly "I can bend solar radiation away from you and make you one of the little people". Do you even read the scans you post?
Its clear as day therefore that these are two different processes and your juxtaposition of them is patently (and once again) false. Still so that this can be shown beyond reasonable doubt ill show more.
this is towards the very end of AC 827. In AC 828 on about the 4th or 5th page, Superman then confirms that he is still fighting blind and once again references Polaris control of infrared light as the direct cause coroborating what Polaris/repulse himself claimed
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics828page04.jpg
This proves what exactly? That repulse was still bending light away from him or is that the proof that energy drain using infrared light makes you blind somehow? Reaching much.
Fast forward to about page 10 however, and we see Polaris/repulse once again directly referencing sapping supermans strength by taking away his solar radiation
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/actioncomics828page10.jpg
Holy terror batman, its not like superman is a solar battery who if not being recharged starts to fade. If polaris bent light away from superman and he keeps exerting himself, he would start to feel his strength fading too, that's what exactly happened in Final night. Shocking, isn't it. No there was no proof that polaris did anything but bend light around superman.
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Lulz at this sad attempt of patronizing. Yeah lets keep.
Originally posted by abhilegend
When has surfer "transmuted" a yellow sun into a red sun?
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3851/silversurferv3103p20jo2.jpg
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8063/silversurferv3103p21jo7.jpg
That Karidian Sun turned red, unstable and he put it back to plain old functional yellow.. lol
Also i believed the one he amped during Infinity Crusade was also a red sol, then there's another feat with Moondragon where he absorb and redirected a giant red sol energy to the mind gem. So thats 3 separate account of red sol energy manipulation, really this should'nt be a discussion, it is within his powerset to transform/conversion forms of energy his encountered to his choosing..
With that said a simultaneous red rad projection and energy draining wins every match. AND yes SS has done this simultaneous attack before in battle, however take out the weakness exploitation and it'll be a diff. story, which would still put Surfer for maj. for but a lot closer fight
Originally posted by Naija boy
Heh, lets start with the first one, Major force blasts superman with a blast of Dark Quantum energy which sucks the solar energy out of him and temporarily gives major force the advantage as he then picks up and tosses superman away. Superman however is able to quickly recover and overwhelm him using good speed to dodge the subsequent Quantum blast and then proceeds to melt him with HV. Good feat, but nowhere is Superman shown directly resisting an energy drain. He doesnt even receive a sustained direct energy drain attack in that instance but instead takes a single blast the drives the solar energy outside of his cells. Thats more similar to what happens in the case of a blast single blast of red sun radiation as opposed to prolonged draining.
Maybe you're too slow to grasp something like counting numbers, here we clearly see major force attacking superman with the same attack twice
He still lost despite his claims that dark quantum energy sucks the solar energy right from his cells, Do you think quasar won against surfer when he was draining him? Surfer won there and superman won against major force despite both using energy drainage against both of them. He just recovered from getting his energy drained and melted an energy manipulator by an energy attack.
Additionally Superman uses his speed to dodge thesecondthird attack which lends credence to the efficacy of the attack in the first place. It is a good feat for his recovery time and HV but certainly doesnt show him willfully resisting a direct energy drain.
Or maybe it shows he wasn't in the mood of playing any longer. Its a good feat for him showing his fast recovery time and able to regain his lost energy very fast.
As for the Blackstarr incident, Once again we saw how effective a direct energy drain is on Superman (and supergirl) as well as energy manipulation in general. Black Star ensares them in her absorption field thing and is absorbing their energy and then begins wrapping their brainwaves in a gravity web. Nowhere is it even alluded to the the energy absorpiton is not working. Thats your overactive imagination at work again. Her attacking their neurons was not at all a result of her failure to absorb their energy but rather her emphasizng her energy control by incapacitating them even further. The dialogue clearly shows this with her laughing and saying how every spark within them is hers to play with as she chooses. She had them dead to rights. In that comic however, Supergirl is actually viewing this from the 31st century and as she sees the way the battle is going asks Braniac 5 to send her mental waves back in time. Ill post the scans in order so the context is obvious to everyone:http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackstarr6.jpg
(Above scan is where Supergirl gets her mind sent back and is what you left out.lol). In the very next scan below superman is still struggling until supergirl enters his head and Blackstarr wonders how he got the mental strength to break free since he was almost laid out previously
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/AC850VSBLACKSTAR3.jpg
Next scan we see clearly that supergirls brainwaves are in control of him as he writes something on the wall with HV
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr2.jpg
Two pages onward Supergirl returns to the 31st century and indicates she did not travel to her body (i.e she went to supermans)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/SupermanBlackStarr9.jpg
Then on the next and last page what Supergirl wrote is revealed and Superman's ignorance of the whole incident confirms it being supergirls doing
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Supermanblackstarr3.jpg
What does all this gibberish proves? I never claimed that superman reversed his brain neurons being affected by blackstarr. Supergirl just lent superman her brain-waves, if blackstarr's energy drain and absorption fields were as good as you and she claims like every spark within them is hers to play with as she chooses, supergirl wouldn't have just freed superman's body and blackstarr wouldn't have claimed in astonishment that "he should've been exhausted and dead by now". We clearly see superman resisting his energy being drained and blackstarr using another form of attack other than her continued energy drainage in the form of attacking his brain neurons and being baffled at how when superman(supergirl) disappears right in from her eyes he was still alive. What a pathetic attempt of lowballing using non-sensical and distracting scans which have no meaning what is being discussed here i.e. energy drainage. If you think presenting scans that supergirl sent her brain-waves to superman's mind means it can somehow invalidates superman resisting energy drainage directly from an above top tier energy manipulator, you are even more dumber than I thought.
[B]So Yet again and in the same post no less we have an instance of you leaving out mountains of context and prudent information in order to tailor on panel occurences to fit your superman sycophant agenda.
facepalm facepalm facepalm
Once again says the surfer fanboy. Lulz at hypocrisy.
Your romanticization of supermans counter vibrations feat is hilarious especially with your projection of supposedly "common physics" onto a comic feat which clearly was not intended to support the inferences you are trying to derive from it. I wont even get into that anyways since its irrelevant to the discussion at hand unless ur argument is that Superman sings Surfer out of existence lmao.
What a pathetic attempt of lowballing a feat when it was clearly intended to be like that "they make this sound like an orchestra. Everything is made of vibrations and counter-vibrations that cancels them out".
Why not, its not like surfer fan(boys) try to use "cosmic awareness" in every fight against superman
With your horrendous memory and penchant for misrepresentation of on panel fact, "IIRC" aint gonna cut it homie. Prove that the miracle machine necessarilly required entire sun levels of output to power it, with scans or issue numbers please or just drop what is already a tangential point anyways. No use making the valley ur in any larger.
LOL at this coming from someone like you. I'm trying but you know being on the hospital bed with 50 stitches in your right thigh makes it a little difficult to go find something in your comics collection.
Oh and my referencing of the old power satiating Galactus for a hundred thousand years is directly relevant to Sufers skill at manipulating large amounts of energy. (he got tired after but that was partly cuz he also reconstructed planet Sakaar which was falling apart) That should go without saying but things have to be spelled out for u it seems. Hulk has been drained by other characters and ironically from many of the scans you posted yourself, so has superman (characters who happen to be inferior to Surfer no less). Talk about being counter productive
As I predicted. The difference as previously I've to spell out for you is that hulk has been defeated by using this tactic several times and his energies have no resemblance to superman's energies other than being in EM spectrum.
Surfers feats and I say more than that for sure but no matter, the shields are only to bolster durability anyways and can be erected on more than one occasion as well as be used to counter attack etc. So again very useful and another advantage Surfer has.
So, now you're just ignoring proofs superman shattering more powerful shields than surfer's in a single punch. Again typical surfer fan mindset. Another advantage kal would smash and typically if a character's shields are broken he suffers a backlash, so no he wouldn't just erect another shield IF he uses shields in fights at all.
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I don't think that even janus would go to such length to lowballing someone's feats and on-panel proofs. See, how easy was that, but you would know how carver thinks, wouldn't you "ultimatethor".
I was planning on just writing an evenly toned reply but Christ I dont think ive seen such an overt campaign to mislead in my whole time on KMC and it needed to be addressed..lol. I would like to believe that these were just honest mistakes cuz the scenes being discussed arent even debatable and can only be viewed differently.
Lulz, either you're blind or can only see what you want to see if you think I have led an overt campaign to mislead anything, Considering gladiator, thanos and surfer fanboys, I've done nothing to consider myself in the same department.
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I don't think you're the suitable guy to give me an advice on this topic "ultimatethor", but alas what can you expect from "penisless'" fanboys?
Originally posted by paisapowerFound the issues. The sheer amount of context you left out is disturbing. Seriously.
Check this outLook by contrast how The Ray an energy manipulator/being ended up
Long story short: 1) Superman was nearly drained in a different instance you never showed and had to be saved; and 2) those life drainers were fictional creations of an unwitting author who brought them to life and as Superman is struggling with their life draining for several pages (also not shown), the author basically pens their defeat in real-time.
