Superman vs Silver surfer

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Odin's blasts are magical.

HV though is simply heat. It's extremely hot. Much hotter than the Sun, but still just heat. So it's nothing that Surfer can't handle. In fact it's the exact kind of energy he can manipulate. And so is Freeze breath.

Read the very first issue of Silver Surfer. Neither the Inferno of the Hottest Star or the frigid cold of space can harm him.

His whole power set is based on him being able to go anywhere in the Universe he wants/needs to. No matter how hot or cold.

Odin wasn't the only example I gave. You and carver are suggesting that Surfer is immune to any non magical blast no matter how powerful.

The freeze breath is not meant to harm Surfer but encase him (slow him down) for a free hit. If the breath slows his motion down by 10% or more then that's significant.

Originally posted by carver9
I am using a comparison here. Superman heat vision can probably amp Surfer since he has amped before off of solar energy. Think it has actually happened more than once. That's like asking me if Surfer shot yellow sun light at Superman would it amp him...yes, it would since we've seen it happen before.

Again, anything cold isn't doing a thing to a being that can turn to freaking ice. Use your brain.

Why didn't Firelords energy amp Surfer? It was harming Surfer.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin wasn't the only example I gave. You and carver are suggesting that Surfer is immune to any non magical blast no matter how powerful.

The freeze breath is not meant to harm Surfer but encase him (slow him down) for a free hit. If the breath slows his motion down by 10% or more then that's significant.

I thought that the Surfer as well as most of the herald's were immune to the elements? Didn't Galactus make them to be this way?

Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that the Surfer as well as most of the herald's were immune to the elements? Didn't Galactus make them to be this way?

You missed the key word: Encased. I didn't mean Superman will freeze him (as make his body cold) but rather encased him in ice to slow him down. This is like Thanos encasing PG Thor in a forceblock. Only Surfer would easily get out, but it will slow his motion temporarily.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin wasn't the only example I gave. You and carver are suggesting that Surfer is immune to any non magical blast no matter how powerful.

No I never once suggested that. But HV is the kind of energy he can handle.

Originally posted by h1a8
The freeze breath is not meant to harm Surfer but encase him (slow him down) for a free hit. If the breath slows his motion down by 10% or more then that's significant.

He'll change the ice into something else instantaneously. And it doesn't even stop him acting. His board will still move with him on it. He can still manipulate matter/energy while encased.

Originally posted by Stoic
I thought that the Surfer as well as most of the herald's were immune to the elements? Didn't Galactus make them to be this way?

Yep. That's in their power set at least.

Originally posted by h1a8
You missed the key word: Encased. I didn't mean Superman will freeze him (as make his body cold) but rather encased him in ice to slow him down. This is like Thanos encasing PG Thor in a forceblock. Only Surfer would easily get out, but it will slow his motion temporarily.

How do you encase him in ice if he can become intangible? Are Superman's heat rays cosmic? I know that Firelord's flames are.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I'm afraid the confusion is entirely yours.
Nope.

You can look back and see that I never once used the word 'canon', but referred inadmissable stuff.

You asked me what rule prohibited canon fights, to which I replied 'the rule about crossover fights'.

Cool story bro.

Yes, just like I told you the first time you asked 🙂
Not really.

I might be rule-thumping, but I'm not backseat modding.
Denial.

"What does Backseat Moderating mean?
Let me tell you. When you post "this thread needs to be closed", "close please", "wrong forum", "this person should be banned", "so and so is a sock", etc. This is in fact considered SPAM. Another thing on this same train of thought: It's one thing to say "wrong forum" or "close please" but another to say that after someone else has already said it. That's even worse. Don't post if you think the thread is idiotic, just inform a moderator. We're here to do a job, not you."

Now that we all agree on what is inadmissable for these fights, I won't have to keep nagging you on the rules 🙂

Oh right, you already are.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Using non cannon stuff cool, she hulk rocked the shit out of Superman with a punch yet couldn't even effect Surfer.

Did you somehow forget Hercules, Wonder Man, Vision, Iron Man pounding on him just after he defeated someone who always owns Surfer's ass. But, yeah Iron Man has KTFO Surfer. Cool with me.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The same writer - John Bryne- said Superman should have crushed every bone in his hand trying to catch Mjolnir.

So it's cool let's stick to what he says.

What does Thor has to do here? And Byrne said Darkseid was Galactus' peer. Superman beat him under his own writing. So cool with me.

Ah Jurgens... Yes the guy who wrote one of my favorite Thor runs. Same writer also gives Thor the win over Superman due to the magic factor.
And Superman is more powerful than Thor too.

Cool Abhi, thanks for proving Thor is the top dog.

👆

Not really. Superman was more powerful than Thor but he loses due to magic weakness according to Jurgens. That's like saying Kryptonite Man is top dog due to Superman's weakness.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
lol at DC fans saying how SBP can smash dimensions, outrace FTL, and withstand universe busting attacks.

But surfer shows out running time, or transmutation then those same fans would scream "oh no, thats hyperbole, or out of context."

Surfer wins. Too versatile for Supes.


Surfer doesn't uses his versatility in most of his fights. Its not in his character to use transmutation on living beings.

Originally posted by carver9
Partially Absorbs a sun.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24487/586364-power_feat.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24487/586365-feats.jpg

Surfer blasting power creating a humongous Black hole that was light yrs long iirc.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/24487/586367-annihilationsilversurfekp8.jpg

Tanks a planet busting blast (this is what I am asking H1 for).

http://s360.photobucket.com/user/aarons24/media/Silver%20Surfer/avengersannual1619je3.jpg.html


That's nothing compared to what Superman has done though.

Totally drains an anti-sun capable of destroying half the galaxy.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083892/jla041a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083893/jla041b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083894/jla041c.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083895/jla041d.jpg.html

Mageddon was powerful enough to destroy the whole universe though.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083962/JLA_41_pg01.jpg.html

And light years across black hole? Superman was chilling inside a black hole which was dragging the ****ing multiverse with it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also Superman is totally unaffected by Darkseid's black hole at the end of creation which was dragging ENTIRE MULTIVERSE down with him.

And yes, we saw the multiverse being dragged down to that Black Hole.

http://i.imgur.com/s9ZHvpd.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QTisosk.jpg

So no selling a multiversal black hole? Not bad.

Superman's fight with Kal-L destroyed Earth two and the ****ing time space barriers.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength6.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength7.jpg

Superman's feats are ****ing ridiculous. Surfer is versatile enough to make a case for him, but in CQC Superman would beat the shit out of him like Thor. But worse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's nothing compared to what Superman has done though.

Totally drains an anti-sun capable of destroying half the galaxy.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083892/jla041a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083893/jla041b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083894/jla041c.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083895/jla041d.jpg.html

Mageddon was powerful enough to destroy the whole universe though.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16083962/JLA_41_pg01.jpg.html

And light years across black hole? Superman was chilling inside a black hole which was dragging the ****ing multiverse with it.

Superman's fight with Kal-L destroyed Earth two and the ****ing time space barriers.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength6.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supesvse2strength7.jpg

Superman's feats are ****ing ridiculous. Surfer is versatile enough to make a case for him, but in CQC Superman would beat the shit out of him like Thor. But worse.

Didn't Superman save the OMNIVERSE in the Next?

This versatility angle reminds me of a country that has army, tanks, subs, planes, navy vs a country that only has nukes.

I mean yes, one is more versatile but in the end the nukes are the ones that count, imo

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Superman save the OMNIVERSE in the Next?

No, a portion of Superman's essence combined with a time anamoly was destroying the metaverse which was bigger than Omniverse though.

He saved the omniverse in AOS 617.

Still surfer. 313 votes to supermans 149 should end this by now.

314

Back in the middle ages a lot of people were ignorant and they thought earth was flat and the center of the universe, that didn't make the right though

Originally posted by JBL
Still surfer. 313 votes to supermans 149 should end this by now.
Originally posted by tkitna
314

Oh really? Is that how we are playing this game?

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Back in the middle ages a lot of people were ignorant and they thought earth was flat and the center of the universe, that didn't make the right though
Good thing the 314 people that voted for surfer are from this age then.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh really? Is that how we are playing this game?
I bet if superman had 314 votes to surfers 149, you would love to honor how voting works then.

Originally posted by JBL
Good thing the 314 people that voted for surfer are from this age then.

Was that your rebuttal?

Still that does not make them right either.

Originally posted by JBL
I bet if superman had 314 votes to surfers 149, you would love to honor how voting works then.

Not really. More than that number of people voted for Superman against Thanos, so is Thanos less powerful than Surfer?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. More than that number of people voted for Superman against Thanos, so is Thanos less powerful than Surfer?
Those were the people from the middle ages who knew nothing about thanos and were members of .... Ye grand ole House of EL. 😄