Originally posted by JBL
Surfer has so many ways to stomp superman. Superman's strength and speed is nothing to Surfer because he has worked with, seen and beaten better.
Surfer is nothing to Superman. He's worked with, seen, and beaten better. But there's an extra large pineapple to make you feel better on the way.
Originally posted by Delta1938Can you send some ice cream in a superman bowl with that large pineapple? A couple of superman napkins would be nice also. Surfer stomps by the way.
Surfer is nothing to Superman. He's worked with, seen, and beaten better. But there's an extra large pineapple to make you feel better on the way.
Originally posted by JBL
Can you send some ice cream in a superman bowl with that large pineapple? A couple of superman napkins would be nice also. Surfer stomps off after getting beat down by the way.
You actually made me think pineapple chunks on top of cookie dough could be pretty good, I think I'll try that. Not what you want your pineapples for though.
Originally posted by carver9
He's talking about action Comics 642 created in 1989where Superman talked to a GL and a ghost that was moving within the nanoseconds. I just downloaded the comic yesterday and I am going to post it in its entirety once my comic viewer is back up.
That and other feats, come on Carver, is not like the only nanosecond feat he has
Originally posted by JBL
LOL, he brings up people in the middle ages as if they were dumb and then try to compare them to 317 modern day voters then refer to a comic made in the year 1989 in the year 2014 to support his claim??? ( hope not )
Lol is pertaining to POST CRISIS Superman
This thread was made to pit ss vs post crisis superman, so everything under post crisis superman is usable.
I thought you will be competent enough to figure this out on your own
Originally posted by JBL
Surfer has made Orion his @#&%# and Orion has made superman his. Orion stood no chance in hell against surfer if you want to go that route.
Silver Surfer lost to Kyle in their crossover(yeah, he was weakened) and beat Kyle off-panel in DC VS MARVEL. Superman has toyed with Kyle despite Kyle having back-up from some of the JLA, and took-on an all-out Kyle(his id construct) during the time I believe he was amped on his way to becoming Ion, and won. Superman comes-out looking better than Surfer here.
Surfer was one-shot owned by Darkseid, Superman's poor showings against the Omega Beams still come off looking better. And I don't see the point in trying to defend Surfer that he was sneak attacked, considering it basically melted his skin. Superman comes-out looking better.
We saw how the Superman/Thor ended. Surfer has a terrible record against Thor. Superman comes out looking better.
Surfer only stalemated Cyborg-Superman. Superman has a number of wins over him, including owning Cy worse than Surfer beat Orion. Superman comes out looking better here.
Surfer was overwhelmed by Parademons. Superman isn't bothered by them, and in fact a powerless amnesic Superman came-out looking better against Parademons than Surfer. Superman looks better here.
Even without going into the context of the Superman/Orion fights you refer to, you don't really want to go this route as Superman has the better record over common opponents as far as I'm aware.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
4. If you want to go by crossovers then by Superman's own words he "Just Barely" beat Thor. And that was without Thor even resorting to any of his most Potent/Lethal Energy Blasts. And going by that fight he certainly can't speed blitz Thor like most of you try to argue. Superman was certainly shown as being faster but he got like what.. 3 hits for every 2 Thor landed??
So if you're going to argue that, I assume you'll accept Thor basically saying Superman is stronger than Kurse, Odin, Mangog, Surtur, ect? Also, Superman definitely didn't speed-blitz in their fight. But if you agree Superman was shown faster while NOT speed-blitzing, I wonder how you'd handle Superman actually speed-blitzing Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
Best crossover ever and he was compared to Doomsday. I think it was said he was more powerful than Doomsday.http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs1.jpg
http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs2.jpg
http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs4.jpg
http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs3.jpg
http://www.4thletter.net/gavok/venom/vvs5.jpg
I find it funny how people always jump to this to dismiss all crossovers(in general on the Internet) as if this is proof of some wild inconsistency, but Superman's record in crossovers is actually damned impressive. They act as if Spider-Man has never beaten Firelord. Or Batman beaten Wonder Woman by kicking her in the stomach. Or Spider-Man hasn't one-shot Hulk(IIRC). Or Captain America wasn't beating-up Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer has temporarily absorbed a sun and has turned to snow and he thinks heat vision and ice breath is going to harm him. Aint that a b*****. Surfer would fly through those attacks. H1 is a hypocrite. I want to see a scan of Superman tanking planetary attacks.
Abhi pointed-out Surfer is powered by stars. So I find him enduring the heat of stars to be questionable at best as a durability feat. I've seen him hurt by Firelord's fire, cut-up by LASERs(which cut via heat) and hurt by a random dragon-like extraterrestrial's fire breath. Excuse Firelord as also having the Power Cosmic and accuse me of lowballing, but the fact is the primary(often only) argument I see people use to say Surfer is immune to heat attacks is faulty and he HAS been hurt by heat.
Originally posted by janus77
Surfer rams a kryptonite dildo up Superman's butt, so fast and hard that a boy in India wakes up in the middle of the night, screaming, tears streaming down his cheeks... all four of them.
You seem pretty enthusiastic about Surfer handling a dildo. And Surfer standing up kinda looks like a dildo. Hmmmmmm.
Originally posted by JBL
Dont know, superman asked me to order him some, what he do with them is on him.
I know he likes pineapple because it's a tasty fruit and his super sense of taste makes it such bliss. You though have pineapples for another type of pleasure.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what we call "Hulk's pants syndrome". Superman's cape has survived Supernovas and Blackholes on multiple occasions.😬
What a weak way to lowball a feat though.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Abhi pointed-out Surfer is powered by stars. So I find him enduring the heat of stars to be questionable at best as a durability feat. I've seen him hurt by Firelord's fire, cut-up by LASERs(which cut via heat) and hurt by a random dragon-like extraterrestrial's fire breath. Excuse Firelord as also having the Power Cosmic and accuse me of lowballing, but the fact is the primary(often only) argument I see people use to say Surfer is immune to heat attacks is faulty and he HAS been hurt by heat.
Originally posted by Ambient
The feat where ref. to is multiversal in nature and for someone high herald in level and to casually walk right through the event horizon without no significant effect to the persons or surrounding environment, we'll should be question. You'd have to be the biggest fanboy to actually believe that a multiversal destructive force made no effect in Supe's person. Not even a struggle against the gravimetric effect, facial expression, nothing. Walks in normally and part of his custom is on fire which should not be happening inside a BH.
And stop whining about it.
Originally posted by Ambient
Surfer is not powered by stars, his powered by PC. This is why he can be hurt by energy blast however he can absorb those energies as long as it does not overwhelm him otherwise he'd still be able to absorb but with pain. This is why he stayed away from Firelord's energy balls but was able to absorb directly's Firelord's PC.
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You know what's even more impressive? Supermen of the multiverse and Green Lanterns moving the ****ing multiverse out of the said black hole. Nix Uotan confirms that "germ creatures" themselves repaired the multiverse which was down in the black hole and we even see the Supermen and GLs bring out it in the next panel.
And then it was again stated that there was a black hole at the end of creation.
You going to whine about this too?
Oh I'm quite familiar with it, i just wanted to know how you've come about the conclusion of your feat. I find it funny how you twisted the Multiversal blackhole to favor Superman, as if he withstood or fight the pull of that force. I mean really Herald level - not even amp (sundipped/sunamp) against multiversal power ????? Did it ever occur to you that the time and place where he built the miracle machine was the last ebb of the remaining reality that was about to be suck or drag by the BH. This is why you see only darkness ebbing around the corners, taking over the light. Why you see the mobius chair, ground and superman still intact.
Where did it said they moved the multiverse out of the blackhole???
Oh jeez...
Originally posted by Delta1938
Silver Surfer lost to Kyle in their crossover(yeah, he was weakened)
Extremely weakened. Why even bring that up?
Originally posted by Delta1938
and beat Kyle off-panel in DC VS MARVEL.
Yeah beat him soundly. No hint or sign of a significant struggle for Surfer. His powers were simply far greater.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman has toyed with Kyle despite Kyle having back-up from some of the JLA, and took-on an all-out Kyle(his id construct) during the time I believe he was amped on his way to becoming Ion, and won.
That's cool. Supes is awesome 👆
Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman comes-out looking better than Surfer here.
LOL Surfer solidily beat him. What more do you want? You want Surfer to dance around Kyle, laughing at him, taunting him, then stomping him?
Not really in Surfer's character to do that. A simple win is good enough for him.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Surfer was one-shot owned by Darkseid, Superman's poor showings against the Omega Beams still come off looking better. And I don't see the point in trying to defend Surfer that he was sneak attacked, considering it basically melted his skin. Superman comes-out looking better.
LOL It WAS a Cheap Shot! Shot him from behind, he wasn't expecting it or anything like it.
If Surfer knew who he was and that he was fighting him, he could use his forcefields, attempt to outfly the OE, Attempt to absorb them, Fire back with his own Power Cosmic. Not all of those things would have worked, but he didn't get a chance to defend himself at all in that scene.
So why bring it up?
And despite all these facts about these fights, Surfer is much more powerful now than he was then.
Originally posted by Delta1938
We saw how the Superman/Thor ended. Surfer has a terrible record against Thor. Superman comes out looking better.
Their last fight (first one since Surfer's amp) they came across as peers. So doesn't really matter Superman "just barely" beat Thor out.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Surfer only stalemated Cyborg-Superman. Superman has a number of wins over him, including owning Cy worse than Surfer beat Orion. Superman comes out looking better here.
Cool, but Surfer only fought Cyborg once, in an unfinished fight, and again is much more powerful since then.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Surfer was overwhelmed by Parademons. Superman isn't bothered by them, and in fact a powerless amnesic Superman came-out looking better against Parademons than Surfer. Superman looks better here.
Ok. And Surfer grew Metropolis back to size which just shocked Superman into Awe of his power. Superman was also in Awe of the Power Cosmic when he was given it by Galactus.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Even without going into the context of the Superman/Orion fights you refer to, you don't really want to go this route as Superman has the better record over common opponents as far as I'm aware.
I personally wouldn't go down that route. Especially since using the Marvel/DC Crossovers are against the rules here (and rightly so IMO).
I blame Abhi though, he always brings them up.
People need to realize there's too much politics involved in cross company crossovers.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So if you're going to argue that, I assume you'll accept Thor basically saying Superman is stronger than Kurse, Odin, Mangog, Surtur, ect? Also, Superman definitely didn't speed-blitz in their fight. But if you agree Superman was shown faster while NOT speed-blitzing, I wonder how you'd handle Superman actually speed-blitzing Thor.
Well some of those people can also stop Mjolnir, as has Count Nefaria so that doesn't really say much. All it really showed was that Superman was Stronger than Thor, which shocked the heck out of Thor.
Superman did use his speed to dodge one of Thor's strikes, and landed more close combat hits than Thor as well. So perhaps the reason he didn't give Thor the traditional speed blitz was because he couldn't? Can be difficult with Lightning Blasts coming all over the place, and fighting someone who himself is hardly slow himself (able to throw punches in mere microseconds and consistently react to Lightspeed attacks.).
But seriously forget these Crossovers. It could actually be in reality that Superman is 5 times stronger than Thor, but they have to be shown more equal than that in a crossover. Or it could be that they are more or less peers but Thor should beat Superman due to the Magic factor (like both Simonson and Jurgens claim), but with the crossover DC want their poster boy Heavyweight to beat Marvel Earth's heavyweight no questions asked. Too much politics there so should rightfully be ignored IMHO.
Originally posted by Ambient
Oh I'm quite familiar with it, i just wanted to know how you've come about the conclusion of your feat. I find it funny how you twisted the Multiversal blackhole to favor Superman, as if he withstood or fight the pull of that force. I mean really Herald level - not even amp (sundipped/sunamp) against multiversal power ????? Did it ever occur to you that the time and place where he built the miracle machine was the last ebb of the remaining reality that was about to be suck or drag by the BH. This is why you see only darkness ebbing around the corners, taking over the light. Why you see the mobius chair, ground and superman still intact.Where did it said they moved the multiverse out of the blackhole???
Renee Montaya confirmed it.
Green Lanterns confirm it.
No reason to think Superman wasn't in the black hole himself.
And did you not see the comment made by Nix Uotan and Supermen pulling out the earths from the black hole? How do you think Multiverse was repaired?
And for someone who is still doubting, here is Grant Morrison confirming it again.
NRAMA: The Batman/Darkseid scene – what does the death of Darkseid do to the world?GM: See Final Crisis #7. Darkseid is falling down through the Multiversal structure into a black hole at the centre of Creation, breaking things and disrupting continuities as he goes.
http://www.newsarama.com/2053-grant-morrison-final-crisis-exit-interview-part-1.html
And again, here Mr. Miracle states what everyone knows.
"Darkseid is dragging us down a hole in time with no light, no hope and no escape."
Now consider what Mandrakk says here.
"There is no light here, no spark to power your empty weapon."
Sounded similar?
So, crying that "Superman enduring the said black hole can't be possible" is just being in pure denial right now.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
I think Surfer could beat Venom and the marvel heroes , who easily owned Superman.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They say surfer has super-speed..............
The difference is that Venom/Superman is non canon, Spidey/Surfer is canon.
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Let's start all over with this shit lol
OK this is comic book Superman were using here and not BS KMC Superman, just to make it clear to everyone. Im going to explain this as if were all 3 years old.
Silver Surfer would beat Superman, for reasons that can't be argued.I'm sorry Super-fans but I didn't make Silver Surfer's power-set, Marvel did and so if you have a issue with why they made a silver guy with a Superman off switch then its a matter to take up with them. Silver Surfer's powers consist absorbing and manipulating the universe's ambient cosmic energies, and he can analyze and manipulate matter and energy. so here's some ways Surfer can beat Superman.
#1. Since Superman gets his powers from our sun's radiation (a yellow star) Silver Surfer can literally drain Superman of the radiation neutralizing his powers (he once did this to Hulk, turning him back to Bruce Banner). and then Surfer can just go over there and knock him out, because Supes would be as weak as us.
#2. Surfer can just use his matter manipulating powers to create the type of Kryptonite, that will make Superman weak and even kill him.
#3.if they're near a yellow star much like our sun, Surfer can just turn the yellow star radiation into red star radiation which will again neutralize Supes of his powers.
#4. honestly Silver Surfer himself could just emit red star radiation.
if you question whether Silver Surfer would be smart enough to do all this well, maybe not the kryptonite thing (#2) but certainly the rest. Silver Surfer has cosmic awareness which would indicate to him that Superman gets his powers from yellow star radiation (or our sun)
Peace out!
