Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm going to show you why between the two of us, I'm the only one allowed to say that here.
I highly doubt that looking at the lowballing and twisting of the facts your doing in the other thread concerning the Thor vs Gladiator fight.
Originally posted by Delta1938
To show the record, Sherlock.
It's an irrelevant record.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Off-panel, meaning we don't know what happened, so your "his powers were simply far greater" is just stupid. But that's to be expected.
Oooh... Someone's in a strop. You need to calm down methinks before those wrinkles start pouring on from all the stress of failing to prove Superman's clearly superiority over Thor and Surfer.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Yes he is, much better than some hippie small god from a small world.
Nice Bait attempt.
Seriously I can see those wrinkles taking you over.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Something that actually shows what happened, as anybody competent would figure. Surer beat a rookie Kyle off-panel, Superman beat an amped Kyle on-panel. Of course Superman comes-off looking better.
LOL So Surfer beating Kyle makes him not as good as Superman beating a better Kyle, even though you admit yourself you have no idea how the fight went?
Well lets look at the facts..Surfer won the fight. Surfer didn't look hurt, or even tired in the slightest. And even though Surfer regretted having to fight Kyle he had nothing humble to say like "I just barely beat him.." Because that stuff only comes out when... You know... You actually respect just how much your opponent made you work for the win.
Originally posted by Delta1938
A cheap shot will make his skin more likely to melt? All the other stuff you posted just proves my point about Marvel dickrider damage control. None of your arguments are relevant to comparative durability. And Surfer wasn't even shot in the head, but the back. Oh, and Darkseid had just used a lot of power against Galactus and was blasted by him. Generally Darkseid isn't in a similar condition when blasting Supes. So yeah, Superman sure as Hell comes off looking better than Surfer.
LOL I think we all know whose doing the dickriding here!
Darkseid shot Surfer from behind and it hurt him therefore Superman rules!!!!
Seriously just stop. Your making a complete ass out of yourself on 2 threads now. I've even tried being nice to you, but you just insist on being an ass. It's people like you giving Superman fans a bad name.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I get told that, but the only time someone tried to back it up, it came-up rather lacking.
The proof is that he's a peer to Thor now. When he used to get consistently battered by him. Much like Gladiator.
And to give you an idea of how big an amp it is... In the past he was fighting Thor amped by Loki's power, yet still inferior to Thor. Now from his own power he is a peer to Thor.
You Superman fanboys seem to like maths. So do the math there!
Originally posted by Delta1938
Again, talk of the power-up has come lacking. So do more than just tell me Surfer had a power-up. And Superman "barely beat?" No, he DEFINITIVELY beat Thor. Then proved to be much tougher after the Avengers jumped him(I have a feeling I'll have to explain why). Deal with it.
LOL I think it's you who needs to deal with the fact that Supes stated twice he JUST BARELY Defeated Thor.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So what that he only fought Cy once? This is about comparing. And, again, you need more than saying he's become "much more powerful since."
Doesn't matter since again the facts are:
1. Surfer was analyzing the threat and situation, whilst Cyborg was just outright going for the kill.. - A context you seem to have a lot of trouble grasping looking at your arguments concerning the Thor vs Gladiator fight.
2. Just as Surfer started unleashing more of his power, the fight ended.
3. Cyborg going all out for the kill completely FAILED to even Hurt surfer, let alone defeat him. And Surfer is considerably more powerful now.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't care about lip service that doesn't support a hard example. Superman's been in awe of his inferiors, him giving kind words doesn't prove much.
Both times it proved Surfer has powers which are beyond Supes.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Tell me, what's your argument that Superman "barely" beat Thor based on?
Superman consistently repeating it. The fact that he said it right after a fight that he was generally being an arrogant jerk in... You know the line you love so much "small god from a small world.."
So what happened to suddenly make him humble? Oh the fact that he struggled so hard to defeat Thor, and took a pounding from him in the process maybe??
Originally posted by Delta1938
He moved out of the way. There weren't even speed lines.
LOL So now it's not using superior speed to dodge his strike... It's just that he happened to move out of the way LOL
There were clear speed lines.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Microseconds is nothing to Superman's speed. Superman's got time perception feats of greater than nanoseconds. Even if I were to lowball Superman to a "mere" nanosecond and exaggerate Thor's REACTION TIME feat to a single microsecond, Superman still comes off as over 1,000 times faster. You're going to need more than wishful thinking to argue that. Thor isn't slow in general, but compared to Superman he's extremely slow. You want to compare speed feats between the two in the appropriate thread? I don't think it will turn-out well for you.
Yeah this is something you and most other Superman fans are having a lot of difficulty comprehending. You like doing the math but ignore actual combat showings, and you like to JUST look at the SPEED DIFFERENCE but ignore the Whole Relevant Power Set. Oh apart from when it comes to Superman vs Flash, then it's suddenly: "But Superman has all these other powers!!!"
Firstly Thor doesn't need equal reaction time to Superman. He only needs to react to Superman's speed blitz which given both their consistent combat showings he's more than capable of.
Secondly, Thor didn't just react in microseconds. He reacted, moved and threw a Knock Out punch in Microseconds. All he has to do against Superman's speed blitz is react, think and fire his omni blasts, which he can do a heck of a lot quicker than actually moving and throwing a punch. And guess what? He doesn't even have to do it in a nano second. He's got as much time as it takes for Supes to think, act, move, fly to Thor and land a dozen Planet Busting Punches. Show me Superman doing that to someone who can react, move and punch in microseconds and has the OmniDirectional Exotic Powers to go with it.
That's where Exotic powers come in damn useful against speed. It's why Green Lanterns are always getting hits in on Supes and other Kryptonians. With Thor it's Super Speed/reactions/reflexes + Omni Blasts = Greater Strength + Much greater Speed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Mandrakk explicitly stated that Darkseid had stranded Superman's universe in the endless dark at the end of creation.Renee Montaya confirmed it.
https://imageshack.com/f/p2M6BS3qj
According to Darkseid, "The walls are closing down around you." Meaning that, that reality is still being swallowed and what's left is where Superman and Supermans/GL's/Angels of the multiverse are standing. Mankrakk was even told by his son Nik Uotan to go back to the Darkness which mean light is still present.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/8190/743586-u14.jpg
Heck! Looking at your scan you have Supergirl and Powergirl unconscious. Do you think that in they're condition they would be able to resist the multiversal reality consuming black hole? I think not. And think about the GL's present most them have only 10 to 15% charge are they also = Superman durability?
Again i think your wrong about the feat, there is nothing special about it worth mentioning.
The other scan is irrelevant, the characters involved where not present at the end of the crisis.
Originally posted by AmbientYou know that the scan I posted is after that scene and Mandrakk specifically said that Darkseid brought the universe to eternal darkness, right? You are using scans in reverse order. Honestly, that's a sad attempt.
No! Not yet.https://imageshack.com/f/p2M6BS3qj
According to Darkseid, "The walls are closing down around you." Meaning that, that reality is still being swallowed and what's left is where Superman and Supermans/GL's/Angels of the multiverse are standing.
Mankrakk was even told by his son Nik Uotan to go back to the Darkness which mean light is still present.No, he said to Mandrakk to go hide in the tomb from where he was released in Superman Beyond and that the dawn is on the way due to Superman using the miracle machine. Can you read the scans after all this time Roldz?http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/0/8190/743586-u14.jpg
Heck! Looking at your scan you have Supergirl and Powergirl unconscious.Only supergirl.
Do you think that in they're condition they would be able to resist the multiversal reality consuming black hole?Of course. She is kryptonian after all.
I think not. And think about the GL's present most them have only 10 to 15% charge are they also = Superman durability?People with different durability can take the same punishment. And you're using the most laughable case of circular reasoning now.
Again i think your wrong about the feat, there is nothing special about it worth mentioning.Hahaha, only a silver surfer fanboy can think that resisting a multiversal black hole isn't worth mentioning.
The other scan is irrelevant, the characters involved where not present at the end of the crisis.WTF are you talking about? Did you not see the army of Supermen at the end of Final Crisis? This is purely hilarious now.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I will never accept challenges I am not interested in. You backed down from my challenges and barely even face me.Surfer wins though.
You have backed down of every challenge against me, not even mentioning the countless times I have own you.
Yet still you try to beat me.
Let me give a word of advice
Quitters never win
Winners never quit
But those who never win and never quit are idiots
You my friend have never defeated me, you can keep trying though 😂
I just remember the day you came to old wizard to defend red gamma.
You only posted TWICE and left with you tail between your legs 😆
I had a different user name back then, but ever since I own you and you are still afraid of me, to the point that when you faced for the first time here you were trying to find out with a lot of interest from which site I came from, I guess you saw similitudes in the way of writing, you just wanted to make sure and that is how much I am inside you head 🙂
You don't even say anymore that I make 2 dollars and hr, because you know that even at that I am better than you. 🙂
Poor quani.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You have backed down of every challenge against me, not even mentioning the countless times I have own you.Yet still you try to beat me.
Let me give a word of advice
Quitters never win
Winners never quit
But those who never win and never quit are idiotsYou my friend have never defeated me, you can keep trying though 😂
I just remember the day you came to old wizard to defend red gamma.
You only posted TWICE and left with you tail between your legs 😆Ever since I own you and you are still afraid of me.
You don't even say anymore that I make 2 dollars and hr, because you know that even at that I am better than you. 🙂
Poor quani.
I thought it was QuanSHE!
Originally posted by abhilegend
You know that the scan I posted is after that scene and Mandrakk specifically said that Darkseid brought the universe to eternal darkness, right? You are using scans in reverse order. Honestly, that's a sad attempt.
Uncropped version of your scan.
I figured at this time/space, reality was still not fully engulf by the BH which still coincide with Darkseid statement prior to his death.
Another evidence. the GL's. They where running very low charge and was fully drained when they brought down Ultraman, right at that moment they should have instantly cease to exist yet there they are without protection still intact (scan below).. How do you figure that? Heck forget that - here's a bigger question for you. If they were fighting inside the multiversal singularity, why are they still able to project energy beams? You'd have to say 15% charge GL ring >>>> Final Crisis Black Hole.
Really only one likely conclusion and that they where fighting in what only remained of reality before fully being engulf...
Only supergirl.Of course. She is kryptonian after all.
People with different durability can take the same punishment. And you're using the most laughable case of circular reasoning now.
So unconscious Kryptonian body >>>>> DC multiverse??? 😱
You know how laughable that is. We are talking about extreme opposite side of durability; Ie. Kryptonian and human for instance. You might wanna take a look at how you've presented your evidence - Familiar???
Hahaha, only a silver surfer fanboy can think that resisting a multiversal black hole isn't worth mentioning.
WTF are you talking about? Did you not see the army of Supermen at the end of Final Crisis? This is purely hilarious now.What about the army?? Was it hinted or shown on panel that they try to resist the pull of the multiversal BH, infact none of they're movement look even hindered by the suppose force that drag the whole frickin multiverse, not to mention that a few are unconscious and some are human.. The reason why no gravametric resistance was shown by the army was because there was none present, that they where not inside the multiversal singularity.
My 2cents.
Originally posted by AmbientHaha, seriously? Now Mandrakk was lying just because you can't accept the feat?
It's obvious he was lying or wrong.
The same way he was wrong about no light or energy..Superman's energy wasn't included in the equation.
As you can pretty much see in the scan i provided below that the miracle machine, mobious chair and the whole dwelling is still in tact.That was just comics physics at work. Superman's normal cape has survived supernovas and black holes. Just like Hulk's pants.
If this was all swallowed there would be nothing but darkness except Superman trying to resist the pull of the multiversal black hole which would be very opposite to the scan i provided.You seriously wanted nothing but Darkness on panel? Did you somehow forget that everytime someone goes inside a black hole, we can see them despite it being illogical. When surfer went inside a black hole with red shift, was it total darkness where they fought?
Uncropped version of your scan.
Haha, seriously? Even in the start of the comic, it was stated plainly that outside Watchtower there wasn't anything left that wasn't Darkseid.
And we saw the watchtower being destroyed when Superman destroyed the essence of Darkseid.
So, the only place which was outside Darkseid's singularity was the watchtower and it was destroyed. So how was Superman outside the black hole?
Flashes says the same thing.
"Darkseid is sitting in the center of a personal singularity. Beyond the reach of light."
Just to reach Darkseid you had to enter the singularity. That's why GLs were unable to reach the singularity no matter how far they traveled. Only Superman and Flashes were fast enough to reach the singularity on their own.
Guardians say the same thing.
But everyone is wrong, only Roldz is right in his denial. Right Roldz? Your denial is lulzworthy.
I figured at this time/space, reality was still not fully engulf by the BH which still coincide with Darkseid statement prior to his death.Its simply hilarious at this point. Have you even read the Final Crisis?
Another evidence. the GL's. They where running very low charge and was fully drained when they brought down Ultraman, right at that moment they should have instantly cease to exist yet there they are without protection still intact (scan below).. How do you figure that? Heck forget that - here's a bigger question for you. If they were fighting inside the multiversal singularity, why are they still able to project energy beams? You'd have to say 15% charge GL ring >>>> Final Crisis Black Hole.The same as every herald level character firing an energy beam inside a black hole. And GLs always have emergency auto-shields which function to support life even if the ring is fully drained.
GL's fully drained.They must've recharged off panel as we soon see them tugging out the earths.
Really only one likely conclusion and that they where fighting in what only remained of reality before fully being engulf...Not really. The reality was already damaged beyond repair. The black hole destroyed two universes in the same comic.
The black hole was immensely powerful.
I meant spectre and Radiant.They were defeated off panel.
So unconscious Kryptonian body >>>>> DC multiverse??? 😱What can I say, kryptonians are awesome.
You know how laughable that is. We are talking about extreme opposite side of durability; Ie. Kryptonian and human for instance. You might wanna take a look at how you've presented your evidence - Familiar???This circular reasoning to lowball feats is just stupidity. Just accept that it was a high end feat and move on.
I give credit where it's due and that is no feat.. None but the most extreme of fan would think it so. There is no hint or shown in effect that all the characters involved/ present made significant effort to resist the pull of that multiversal force, I farther explained in detailed above.And to think I thought carver was bad. Did it somehow made sense in your head? Because its ****ing stupid.
What about the army?? Was it hinted or shown on panel that they try to resist the pull of the multiversal BH, infact none of they're movement look even hindered by the suppose force that drag the whole frickin multiverse, not to mention that a few are unconscious and some are human..Because Superman's wish and Nix Uotan's summons protected them. That's why GLs couldn't enter the singularity before but when Superman made the wish, they were able to enter the singularity.
The reason why no gravametric resistance was shown by the army was because there was none present, that they where not inside the multiversal singularity.Hahahaha. The whole of multiverse was inside the singularity. Earth itself was at the center of the singularity, but my brilliant friend just discarded all the facts and declared himself the winner.
My 2cents.Horrible, simply horrible.
5+ more pages and yet to counter to a Kryptonite dildo up the bum.
Oh well, Surfer violates the somewhat super man.
Surfer could also make Superman inhale kryptonite, by making it into a gas, he could take superman completely out of the battle with an illusion or three. Give him brain cancer or just mess with his DNA...
Surfer would stomp Superman.
In your dreams perhaps. But I'm amused at your tantrums and the crutch that all surfer fanboys rely on being present in your posts: kryptonite. Surfer isn't powerful enough to beat Superman on his own that he needs Superman's weakness to get a win?
I can see surfer eking out 1/10 based on that. I would give you that. Rest of the time, Superman punches him into silver paste. No fancy shit needed.
And 😂 @ illusions or DNA changing taking out Superman. People much more powerful than surfer have tried that and got their face punched in for the effort.
Originally posted by krisblaze
^Kryptonian DNA is hella complex.It's not something you can immediately manipulate... and given that Kryptonians's consciousness is housed throughout their entire body and their numerous incidents of resisting stuff like that...
So yeah, I don't see Surfer being able to transmute Superman when skyfathers have failed to do so.
@Abhi I actually responded to Janus, but you beat me to the punch.
So I guess I just ended up elaborating on your point.
Anyways, I always assume that herald+ characters will have a certain resistance to transmutation nonsense, and in Superman's case he has a ton of feats. No idea where this "Surfer transmutes for instawin" stuff comes from.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, seriously? Now Mandrakk was lying just because you can't accept the feat? Superman's energy wasn't included in the equation.Superman's normal cape has survived supernovas and black holes. Just like Hulk's pants.
You seriously wanted nothing but Darkness on panel? Did you somehow forget that everytime someone goes inside a black hole, we can see them despite it being illogical. When surfer went inside a black hole with red shift, was it total darkness where they fought?
I am not referencing to Supe's uniform but the area around them where the fight took place; Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, the wall and ground remains of watchtower. All this should not exist if they where inside the multiversal singularity, it should be nothing but Darkness - It isn't therefore all this pertains to outside singularity.
Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, and the wall remains of watchtower prior to Darkseid's death..
After Darkseid's death when Mandrakk showed up.
Again if the multiverse singularity swallowed up all reality after death of Darkseid why did all that place and item still existed? You couldn't answer that can you? I can because that portion of reality - the final stage of Final Crisis remained outside said so singularity.
Yes! Nothing but Darkness. You have to remember this is no ordinary black hole, its magnitude is so beyond intense it's pulling all reality - the multiverse and dragging it towards oblivion yet in the feat discussed posted you have herald class heroes, some unconscious, no charge left (human) with no visible resistance to the effect of the magnitudeness of this multiversal blackhole. There need to be an explanation as to why. Overpowering its magnitudeness by sheer durability makes no sense.
Surfer vs Redshift in regular Blackhole, not multiversal blackhole - nothings exist, complete darkness cept the powers they wield.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/817527-galactusthedevourer2_17.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, seriously? Even in the start of the comic, it was stated plainly that outside Watchtower there wasn't anything left that wasn't Darkseid.And we saw the watchtower being destroyed when Superman destroyed the essence of Darkseid.
So, the only place which was outside Darkseid's singularity was the watchtower and it was destroyed. So how was Superman outside the black hole?
The Watchtower was not fully destroyed as is obvious in the final stage, where the heroes assembled to beat Mandrakk.
The black hole was immensely powerful.
This circular reasoning to lowball feats is just stupidity. Just accept that it was a high end feat and move on.
And to think I thought carver was bad. Did it somehow made sense in your head? Because its ****ing stupid.
Because Superman's wish and Nix Uotan's summons protected them. That's why GLs couldn't enter the singularity before but when Superman made the wish, they were able to enter the singularity.
Hahahaha. The whole of multiverse was inside the singularity. Earth itself was at the center of the singularity, but my brilliant friend just discarded all the facts and declared himself the winner.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElYou really are obsessed. Your rant is proof enough that I indeed matter. That awful site was awful so as a favor I showed up with a post or so and left. It was very forgettable as was the posters there.
You have backed down of every challenge against me, not even mentioning the countless times I have own you.Yet still you try to beat me.
Let me give a word of advice
Quitters never win
Winners never quit
But those who never win and never quit are idiotsYou my friend have never defeated me, you can keep trying though 😂
I just remember the day you came to old wizard to defend red gamma.
You only posted TWICE and left with you tail between your legs 😆I had a different user name back then, but ever since I own you and you are still afraid of me, to the point that when you faced for the first time here you were trying to find out with a lot of interest from which site I came from, I guess you saw similitudes in the way of writing, you just wanted to make sure and that is how much I am inside you head 🙂
You don't even say anymore that I make 2 dollars and hr, because you know that even at that I am better than you. 🙂
Poor quani.
Then meet me in combat battlezone style.
Sentry vs. Superman in character.
🙂
Originally posted by AmbientBecause Mandrakk underestimated Superman.
Yes! And why shouldn't Superman's energy not included in the equation?
He was talking about reality as a whole, so when he spoke of total darkness, it meant the multiverse yet he wasn't aware of Superman's energy which puts a ??? to his statement.Not really. Green Lanterns were excluded too. You're arguing in circles here.
It's plain obvious they where not fully engulf in the multiversal singularity, evident in that the presence of matter around them and the statement from Darkseid himself correlates this.Haha, now plain denying multiple statements from Guardians and Flashes.
I am not referencing to Supe's uniform but the area around them where the fight took place; Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, the wall and ground remains of watchtower.that's not watchtower. It was destroyed when Superman destroyed Darkseid's essence. Everything else? Hulk's pants syndrome.
All this should not exist if they where inside the multiversal singularity, it should be nothing but Darkness - It isn't therefore all this pertains to outside singularity.That's not how comics work. Should I show you multiple characters talking inside a black hole when it should be impossible for sound to travel there?
Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, and the wall remains of watchtower prior to Darkseid's death..Only the mobius chair and miracle machine is there. Watchtower was destroyed by Superman. Can you read the scans?
Again if the multiverse singularity swallowed up all reality after death of Darkseid why did all that place and item still existed? You couldn't answer that can you? I can because that portion of reality - the final stage of Final Crisis remained outside said so singularity.Hahaha, final stage of desperation. But yeah, you're clueless as ever.
Yes! Nothing but Darkness. You have to remember this is no ordinary black hole, its magnitude is so beyond intense it's pulling all reality - the multiverse and dragging it towards oblivion yet in the feat discussed posted you have herald class heroes, some unconscious, no charge left (human) with no visible resistance to the effect of the magnitudeness of this multiversal blackhole. There need to be an explanation as to why. Overpowering its magnitudeness by sheer durability makes no sense.Final Crisis in itself made no sense multiple times. That doesn't means the feats are invalid. In fact reed richards and sue storm were able to stand near a universe destroying black hole once. It happens all the time. But actually being inside the black hole is different.
Surfer vs Redshift in regular Blackhole, not multiversal blackhole - nothings exist, complete darkness cept the powers they wield.Which shouldn't be possible. But yeah, its surfer so its excusable for you. Tell me how surfer is firing energy blasts inside the blackhole. That should be entertaining.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/11352/817527-galactusthedevourer2_17.jpg
Not according to Darkseid, "He states that the walls are closing down." which likely suggest that reality was still not fully swallowed. this happened after all your posted scan prior to Mandrakk arrival which supersede most of your scan cept the Mandrakk which i explained above as to why.And then walls closed down and the universe was stranded in the endless dark. As Renee Montaya states that the moment Earth fell into abyss, they jumped into another universe.
Darkseid statement.
Renee Montaya confirmed that Earth had felled into abyss.
Direct statement. No denying the facts now.
The Watchtower was not fully destroyed as is obvious in the final stage, where the heroes assembled to beat Mandrakk.That's not watchtower
Supposedly! But going by you interpretation, it wouldn't be. Any herald level class let alone unconscious or depowered should have no business, even remotely close to withstanding that magnitude of power - a power that the multiverse couldn't deny. You don't really believed that a defenseless kryptonian body or human could withstand a force that even the multiverse couldn't? Logic and basic common sense should take precedence over fanboyism.So, you go again in circles here. Seems like a pattern.
I didn't lowball the feat but rather question it.. You couldn't really post a feat of that magnitude without someone questioning it, and i conclude that it isn't really a feat at all, you twisted it to make it look like it was.Hahahaha, you do this all the time and its hilarious everytime.
Did it make sense in yours??? How an unconscious defenseless body of Supergirl supposed withstood the multiversal black hole as well? How the mobious chair, the miracle machine, the ground and walls of what was left of watchtower supposed withstood the multiversal black hole as well? How the Gl's without charge left in they're ring after defeating Ultraman supposed withstood the multiversal black hole? How the supermen of the multiverse/ other heroes who fought Mandrakk had no gravametric repercussions to this multiversal black hole that apparent dragging the whole DC multiverse to its core? If all of them was supposed inside event horrison of this multiversal black hole, how this characters (by the way its just not Superman who's supposed shared this feat) survived with diverse physique ( remember Krytonian to Human)?Simple, the characters were just that durable. It may hurt your feelings, but the writer thought they were durable enough to withstand that black hole and that's the end. And apply "Hulk's pants" rule to other things.
Nope! Try again.So hilarious. You're like carver and JBL rolled into one. Your sheer denial of any of Superman's feats is staggering. But don't worry, Superman still punches Surfer into silver paste.At least I've got one that i totally agree with you, "BRILLIANT = ME>." Thank you ..... and yes win - me. JK
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Mandrakk underestimated Superman.
Not really. Green Lanterns were excluded too. You're arguing in circles here.
Haha, now plain denying multiple statements from Guardians and Flashes.
that's not watchtower. It was destroyed when Superman destroyed Darkseid's essence. Everything else? Hulk's pants syndrome.Only the mobius chair and miracle machine is there. Watchtower was destroyed by Superman. Can you read the scans?
That's not how comics work. Should I show you multiple characters talking inside a black hole when it should be impossible for sound to travel there?
Hahaha, final stage of desperation. But yeah, you're clueless as ever.
Again if the multiverse singularity swallowed up all reality after death of Darkseid why did all that place and item still existed?
Here my answer to that: I can because that portion of reality - the final stage of Final Crisis remained outside said so singularity.
OH: Hhahaha or Clueless is not an answer.
Final Crisis in itself made no sense multiple times. That doesn't means the feats are invalid. In fact reed richards and sue storm were able to stand near a universe destroying black hole once. It happens all the time. But actually being inside the black hole is different.
Which shouldn't be possible. But yeah, its surfer so its excusable for you. Tell me how surfer is firing energy blasts inside the blackhole. That should be entertaining.
And then walls closed down and the universe was stranded in the endless dark. As Renee Montaya states that the moment Earth fell into abyss, they jumped into another universe.
http://s198.photobucket.com/user/RRoldz/media/supes01.jpg.html
Right! And where's the Watchtower located? Above Earth, so obviously Earth was swallowed while the remnant of Watchtower, where the final showdown with Mandrakk was not. And if you really think about it there was still Universes that was not engulf according to Renee by this multiversal BH. So there you go, Mandrakk was wrong again.
Renee Montaya confirmed that Earth had felled into abyss.
Simple, the characters were just that durable. It may hurt your feelings, but the writer thought they were durable enough to withstand that black hole and that's the end. And apply "Hulk's pants" rule to other things.
So hilarious. You're like carver and JBL rolled into one. Your sheer denial of any of Superman's feats is staggering. But don't worry, Superman still punches Surfer into silver paste.
Its not denial man, there is plenty of proof that it wasn't a feat. Your twisting of it dough is staggering, worthy of the word Fanboyism.
Worthy of a smiley face 😆
