Originally posted by Insane Titan
Heroes Wtf pwning Superman is canon, hell they nearly killed him.
See, Squall. This is what I'm talking about when I say Thanos fanboys are the worst. Bringing up shit like this which is out of context to try and discredit a character.
Superman had just finished defeating Thor in a tough battle and was weakened from it when they all jumped on him. Hardly proof that Superman is weaker than Silver Surfer. I'm pretty sure if SS was in Superman's place in that scenario and they all jumped him then the exact same thing that happened to Clark would happen to Surfer.
Anyway, I thought everyone agreed to stop using that crossover as proof of anything. If people wanna use it they have to use the whole thing not just the parts they like and the most important thing was that Superman whipped Thor's ass.
Originally posted by Star428
See, Squall. This is what I'm talking about when I say Thanos fanboys are the worst. Bringing up shit like this which is out of context to try and discredit a character.Superman had just finished defeating Thor in a tough battle and was weakened from it when they all jumped on him. Hardly proof that Superman is weaker than Silver Surfer. I'm pretty sure if SS was in Superman's place in that scenario and they all jumped him then the exact same thing that happened to Clark would happen to Surfer.
Anyway, I thought everyone agreed to stop using that crossover as proof of anything. If people wanna use it they have to use the whole thing not just the parts they like and the most important thing was that Superman whipped Thor's ass.
Agree
And yup, why are crossovers being aruged? There bs really..
Originally posted by Star428bwhahaha you don't see the irony of anything said do you?
See, Squall. This is what I'm talking about when I say Thanos fanboys are the worst. Bringing up shit like this which is out of context to try and discredit a character.Superman had just finished defeating Thor in a tough battle and was weakened from it when they all jumped on him. Hardly proof that Superman is weaker than Silver Surfer. I'm pretty sure if SS was in Superman's place in that scenario and they all jumped him then the exact same thing that happened to Clark would happen to Surfer.
Anyway, I thought everyone agreed to stop using that crossover as proof of anything. If people wanna use it they have to use the whole thing not just the parts they like and the most important thing was that Superman whipped Thor's ass.
It's all you superfags do is lowball and twist context if character comes close to challenging Supes.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Oh jeez...
I'm going to show you why between the two of us, I'm the only one allowed to say that here.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Extremely weakened. Why even bring that up?
To show the record, Sherlock.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah beat him soundly. No hint or sign of a significant struggle for Surfer. His powers were simply far greater.
Off-panel, meaning we don't know what happened, so your "his powers were simply far greater" is just stupid. But that's to be expected.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's cool. Supes is awesome 👆
Yes he is, much better than some hippie small god from a small world.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL Surfer solidily beat him. What more do you want? You want Surfer to dance around Kyle, laughing at him, taunting him, then stomping him?Not really in Surfer's character to do that. A simple win is good enough for him.
Something that actually shows what happened, as anybody competent would figure. Surer beat a rookie Kyle off-panel, Superman beat an amped Kyle on-panel. Of course Superman comes-off looking better.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
LOL It WAS a Cheap Shot! Shot him from behind, he wasn't expecting it or anything like it.If Surfer knew who he was and that he was fighting him, he could use his forcefields, attempt to outfly the OE, Attempt to absorb them, Fire back with his own Power Cosmic. Not all of those things would have worked, but he didn't get a chance to defend himself at all in that scene.
So why bring it up?
A cheap shot will make his skin more likely to melt? All the other stuff you posted just proves my point about Marvel dickrider damage control. None of your arguments are relevant to comparative durability. And Surfer wasn't even shot in the head, but the back. Oh, and Darkseid had just used a lot of power against Galactus and was blasted by him. Generally Darkseid isn't in a similar condition when blasting Supes. So yeah, Superman sure as Hell comes off looking better than Surfer.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And despite all these facts about these fights, Surfer is much more powerful now than he was then.
I get told that, but the only time someone tried to back it up, it came-up rather lacking.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Their last fight (first one since Surfer's amp) they came across as peers. So doesn't really matter Superman "just barely" beat Thor out.
Again, talk of the power-up has come lacking. So do more than just tell me Surfer had a power-up. And Superman "barely beat?" No, he DEFINITIVELY beat Thor. Then proved to be much tougher after the Avengers jumped him(I have a feeling I'll have to explain why). Deal with it.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Cool, but Surfer only fought Cyborg once, in an unfinished fight, and again is much more powerful since then.
So what that he only fought Cy once? This is about comparing. And, again, you need more than saying he's become "much more powerful since."
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ok. And Surfer grew Metropolis back to size which just shocked Superman into Awe of his power. Superman was also in Awe of the Power Cosmic when he was given it by Galactus.
I don't care about lip service that doesn't support a hard example. Superman's been in awe of his inferiors, him giving kind words doesn't prove much.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I personally wouldn't go down that route. Especially since using the Marvel/DC Crossovers are against the rules here (and rightly so IMO).I blame Abhi though, he always brings them up.
People need to realize there's too much politics involved in cross company crossovers.
I was replying to JBL specifically, not the topic in general, so that's all irrelevant to me. You didn't notice I was quoting him initially?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well some of those people can also stop Mjolnir, as has Count Nefaria so that doesn't really say much. All it really showed was that Superman was Stronger than Thor, which shocked the heck out of Thor.
Tell me, what's your argument that Superman "barely" beat Thor based on?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Superman did use his speed to dodge one of Thor's strikes, and landed more close combat hits than Thor as well. So perhaps the reason he didn't give Thor the traditional speed blitz was because he couldn't? Can be difficult with Lightning Blasts coming all over the place, and fighting someone who himself is hardly slow himself (able to throw punches in mere microseconds and consistently react to Lightspeed attacks.).
He moved out of the way. There weren't even speed lines. Microseconds is nothing to Superman's speed. Superman's got time perception feats of greater than nanoseconds. Even if I were to lowball Superman to a "mere" nanosecond and exaggerate Thor's REACTION TIME feat to a single microsecond, Superman still comes off as over 1,000 times faster. You're going to need more than wishful thinking to argue that. Thor isn't slow in general, but compared to Superman he's extremely slow. You want to compare speed feats between the two in the appropriate thread? I don't think it will turn-out well for you.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But seriously forget these Crossovers. It could actually be in reality that Superman is 5 times stronger than Thor, but they have to be shown more equal than that in a crossover. Or it could be that they are more or less peers but Thor should beat Superman due to the Magic factor (like both Simonson and Jurgens claim), but with the crossover DC want their poster boy Heavyweight to beat Marvel Earth's heavyweight no questions asked. Too much politics there so should rightfully be ignored IMHO.
Again, I was replying to JBL specifically, not the topic in general. So all these arguments of forum rules and company politics are irrelevant since I was "beating JBL at his own game." If you want to go this path that's fine with me, but don't attack me like I'm basing my vote on it.
Originally posted by Supermex
Let's start all over with this shit lol
OK this is comic book Superman were using here and not BS KMC Superman, just to make it clear to everyone. Im going to explain this as if were all 3 years old.Silver Surfer would beat Superman, for reasons that can't be argued.I'm sorry Super-fans but I didn't make Silver Surfer's power-set, Marvel did and so if you have a issue with why they made a silver guy with a Superman off switch then its a matter to take up with them. Silver Surfer's powers consist absorbing and manipulating the universe's ambient cosmic energies, and he can analyze and manipulate matter and energy. so here's some ways Surfer can beat Superman.
You say this is "comic book Superman we're using here, not BS KMC Superman," but you're pretty much using BS CBR Surfer, not comic book Surfer. 🙁 I don't like pointing that out to you buddy.
Originally posted by Supermex
#1. Since Superman gets his powers from our sun's radiation (a yellow star) Silver Surfer can literally drain Superman of the radiation neutralizing his powers (he once did this to Hulk, turning him back to Bruce Banner). and then Surfer can just go over there and knock him out, because Supes would be as weak as us.
Surfer doesn't typically drain opponents, and Superman has resistance feats to energy drain, including insane ones. If you go out of 10 fights, I would see Surfer successfully using this once, but based on Superman's feats and the rarity I've seen Surfer use this tactic, I would not say he'd typically do it successfully.
Originally posted by Supermex
#2. Surfer can just use his matter manipulating powers to create the type of Kryptonite, that will make Superman weak and even kill him.
One: Surfer knows nothing about it. Two: Superman has plenty of resistance feats against Kryptonite. Three: It wouldn't even work. Ask Firestorm when he tried it on Superboy Prime.
Originally posted by Supermex
#3.if they're near a yellow star much like our sun, Surfer can just turn the yellow star radiation into red star radiation which will again neutralize Supes of his powers.
Where has Surfer shown power on that scale? And Eradicator during his Krypton Man days tried that, but Superman was able to put up a respectable fight. And that was Pre-DOS. I don't think Surfer showed the scale Krypton Man did there even if this were the Byrne era of power.
Originally posted by Supermex
#4. honestly Silver Surfer himself could just emit red star radiation.
He could if he thought of it. And I think it could work in some fights if we did a X/10, but I don't see it being a deciding factor as a whole.
Originally posted by Supermex
if you question whether Silver Surfer would be smart enough to do all this well, maybe not the kryptonite thing (#2) but certainly the rest. Silver Surfer has cosmic awareness which would indicate to him that Superman gets his powers from yellow star radiation (or our sun)Peace out!
For all the "Cosmic Awareness" arguments, I really don't see him living up to it. The one example I see people use in Surfer vs Superman threads is highly questionable a best.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ca. Quit ignoring that crucial fact and covering your eyes to it. Surfer clearly wins here as he has the means and the power to handily best Superman.
Agree not even Delta is buying it..
Everything I said is in SS power set.
Not some made up SS here, Delta.
Oh and on another subject, Delta why haven't you called me lately papa?
Originally posted by Supermex
Agree not even Delta is buying it..
Everything I said is in SS power set.
Not some made up SS here, Delta.Oh and on another subject, Delta why haven't you called me lately papa?
er Huh? What do you mean I'm not "buying it?"
Yes, I know it's in his power-set. But Surfer doesn't always fight like you argued. Superman's stronger than people who have one-shot Surfer, his combat speed is better, ect. That's in his power set.
And I hadn't had a response or PM from you until like 7 seconds ago so that's why!! 😛
Originally posted by Delta1938Who is he stronger than who has oneshotted the Surfer ?
er Huh? What do you mean I'm not "buying it?"Yes, I know it's in his power-set. But Surfer doesn't always fight like you argued. Superman's stronger than people who have one-shot Surfer, his combat speed is better, ect. That's in his power set.
And I hadn't had a response or PM from you until like 7 seconds ago so that's why!! 😛
Originally posted by Delta1938
er Huh? What do you mean I'm not "buying it?"Yes, I know it's in his power-set. But Surfer doesn't always fight like you argued. Superman's stronger than people who have one-shot Surfer, his combat speed is better, ect. That's in his power set.
And I hadn't had a response or PM from you until like 7 seconds ago so that's why!! 😛
Lmao!!
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElI will never accept challenges I am not interested in. You backed down from my challenges and barely even face me.
😂 Stop lying, with that record of backing down from challenges, your best bet is to keep quiet.I am thinking of reporting you with Bada 😈
Surfer wins though.