Originally posted by AmbientThat's not what happened. He was stating a fact that was stated several times in the past.
This only proves my point. If he underestimated Superman, then he also underestimated reality plight against the BH.
Again like a pointed out, this puts a ??? to his statement since according to Darkseid the wall of darkness was about to close, meaning that the BH almost swallowed reality - key word [B]Almost and since we see the same setting on the final showdown with Mandrakk to that of the scene prior to Darkseid's demise, therefore likely conclusion is that reality did not fully succumb to the multiversal black hole.Renee Montaya said the earth fell into abyss. It can't get any clear than that.
????? Your giving me more ammo to debate with..You call this a "debate". All I am seeing is a desperate guy in you who is using circular reasoning ad nauseam.
Its plain simple really, Darkseid statement's supersede previous reiteration of events. This evidence clarifies it and remember the statement is coming from one who is in itself the multiversal black hole. So it is not really me who is in denial but rather you.It doesn't. The timeline of the events states that Earth/Universe had felled into the black hole. Heck, to even reach darkseid you had to enter the black hole as per stated by the Flashes.
If you meant the full functioning Watchtower then it is not but it is the remains of what was used to be the Watchtower.No, the watchtower was totally destroyed. Superman was standing on nothing here.
Just ask yourself this question; where did Superman build the miracle machine? Where was Metrons mobious chair located? If he fully destroyed the Watchtower why then this items, the walls and ground its held on is still intact? I can see the Hulk pant's syndrome applies on his uniform but not on everything else..Superman had built the MM on Watchtower before the earth fell into abyss. He had to miniature the whole universe before that. And whatever this was, it wasn't watchtower.
That is great and all but why would that be relevant? It's not what I'm questioning but rather the presence of matter that is not supposed to be there.No need to. You can take it however you want. It doesn't diminishes Superman's feat in slightest.Answer the question. Here ill repeat it again \/\/\/
Again if the multiverse singularity swallowed up all reality after death of Darkseid why did all that place and item still existed?What place? It was the black hole where they were. Green Lanterns stated that they were free-falling into the singularity.
Here my answer to that: I can because that portion of reality - the final stage of Final Crisis remained outside said so singularity.Got a single proof of that? No circumstantial evidence. Direct proof.
OH: Hhahaha or Clueless is not an answer.No, its your condition.
I doubt that considerably. It had no silver surfer in it.
It made sense to me and actually enjoyed the crossover, thought i didn't pick up the mini one's.
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Fact: It was stated via narration that they're power shielded them from this black hole, which is safe to assume that they're power > to this regular black hole and this black hole far differ than final crisis, the magnitude is way beyond - beyond - beyond - beyond ...It stated that their powers shielded THEM. It never said anything about their energy balsts. So answer that.
But it didn't happen it was never shown to fully close as shown when Mandrakk's appeared. See scan below.It was. Mandrakk directly states that.http://s198.photobucket.com/user/RRoldz/media/supes01.jpg.html
Right! And where's the Watchtower located? Above Earth, so obviously Earth was swallowed while the remnant of Watchtower, where the final showdown with Mandrakk was not. And if you really think about it there was still Universes that was not engulf according to Renee by this multiversal BH. So there you go, Mandrakk was wrong again.He said that Superman's universe was swaloowed. Not the whole multiverse though it was still being dragged down there.
Right! Earth didn't say it wasn't.WTH?
A human was durable than a multiversal black hole? the same BH that was dragging the whole DC multiverse towards oblivion.. I think you just didn't fully grasp the whole story, after all you said it didn't make no sense to you.A human with a GL ring. Auto-shields are hella durable.
lol'sNot really. Its full on hatred at this point by you. I'm posting direct proof and you're just ignoring all of it.Its not denial man, there is plenty of proof that it wasn't a feat. Your twisting of it dough is staggering, worthy of the word Fanboyism.
Worthy of a smiley face 😆 [/B]You're flat out wrong. But you revel in it as always.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not what happened. He was stating a fact that was stated several times in the past.Renee Montaya said the earth fell into abyss. It can't get any clear than that.
Right! The Earth fell into the abyss. Is the Watchtower on Earth? Nope.
Did she say the Watchtower was also swallowed by the abyss? Nope.
My claim still stands the remains of what was left of the Watchtower where the final fight took place was outside the singularity.
It doesn't. The timeline of the events states that Earth/Universe had felled into the black hole. Heck, to even reach darkseid you had to enter the black hole as per stated by the Flashes.
No, the watchtower was totally destroyed. Superman was standing on nothing here.
Does that look like nothing? Is the mobious chair, miracle machine, wall and floor nothing? This is the only place that still remain of the
Watchtower, obvious is it not?
Superman had built the MM on Watchtower before the earth fell into abyss. He had to miniature the whole universe before that. And whatever this was, it wasn't watchtower.
No need to. You can take it however you want. It doesn't diminishes Superman's feat in slightest.
What place? It was the black hole where they were. Green Lanterns stated that they were free-falling into the singularity.
Got a single proof of that? No circumstantial evidence. Direct proof.
The area around them where the fight took place; Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, the wall and ground remains of watchtower. All this should not exist if they where inside the multiversal singularity, it should be nothing but Darkness - It isn't therefore all this pertains to outside singularity.
Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, and the wall remains of watchtower prior to Darkseid's death..
After Darkseid's death when Mandrakk showed up.
Again if the multiverse singularity swallowed up all reality after death of Darkseid why did all that place and item still existed? You couldn't answer that can you? I can because that portion of reality - the final stage of Final Crisis remained outside said so singularity.
It stated that their powers shielded THEM. It never said anything about their energy balsts. So answer that.
It was. Mandrakk directly states that.
I take that as false reminder of no hope for Superman to accept his offer, "To die in agonizing death in his arm."
To die in agonizing death in his arm.
http://s198.photobucket.com/user/RRoldz/media/supes01.jpg.html
A human with a GL ring. Auto-shields are hella durable.
Not really. Its full on hatred at this point by you. I'm posting direct proof and you're just ignoring all of it.
You're flat out wrong. But you revel in it as always.
Originally posted by AmbientEverything.
Stating what facts ??? What relevancy does it have to the discussion?
Right! The Earth fell into the abyss. Is the Watchtower on Earth? Nope.Superman was on earth. Watchtower wasn't. Superman was right in the black hole where Darkseid was.
Did she say the Watchtower was also swallowed by the abyss? Nope.
My claim still stands the remains of what was left of the Watchtower where the final fight took place was outside the singularity.With no proof to back it up. Continue rambling though.
Again! And I've stated this several time. According to Darkseid in his final hour that the wall (Black hole) was closing in around Superman (Reality) - meaning reality was about to but not fully swallowed by darkness (also depicted in the art) - and this statement supersede everything before it because this scene happened after your scene evidence and it also was stated from the main antagonist who happens to be the multiversal black hole, to put it bluntly not coming from a third party.That wasn't simply a statement. The motherboxxx created the boom tube the instant Earth fell into abyss which was before that scene.
So she was describing an event. Not just an empty statement. The black hole destroyed two universes too.
I beg to differ, take a look at the scan below.You can beg all you want. It matters little.
Does that look like nothing? Is the mobious chair, miracle machine, wall and floor nothing? This is the only place that still remain of theNo, that's not watchtower. It was destroyed by Superman just before that scan. Try again.
Watchtower, obvious is it not?
It was Watchtower, you could see it break apart when he unleash that vibration frequency blast - I call it sonic blast.Which destroyed the multiversal Darkseid BTW. imagine what it would do to Surfer.
You cant answer?? I find it hilarious when you claim a feat that you couldn't even explain its circumstances.I find it hilarious that you're so desperately trying to use watchtower as an excuse to negate this showing.
Yes! They where free falling into the singularity, I didn't say they weren't. Did they get there? Obviously not.They said right there that this was there chance to enter the singularity.
As you can see the whole earth is inside that black hole. So another time you're flat out wrong. Seems like a pattern.
Why? Because they where fighting in the remnants of the Watchtower where Superman, Angels and Supermen of the multiverse where fighting, the place that was about to be swallowed by BH. How do I know this? Because it was stated by Darkseid and correlated by the existence of matter without power, that would other wise protect it from the force of the multiversal black hole.And on panel Earth was shown to be inside the singularity while GLs were about to enter the singularity. So many mental gymnastics.
Yes! and DIRECT it is.Repeating yourself? Another pattern of a desperate man.The area around them where the fight took place; Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, the wall and ground remains of watchtower. All this should not exist if they where inside the multiversal singularity, it should be nothing but Darkness - It isn't therefore all this pertains to outside singularity.
Metrons mobious chair, the miracle machine, and the wall remains of watchtower prior to Darkseid's death..Again repeating yourself. Explain how the GLs said they were about to enter the singularity when they approached the earth?
[B]Again if the multiverse singularity swallowed up all reality after death of Darkseid why did all that place and item still existed? You couldn't answer that can you? I can because that portion of reality - the final stage of Final Crisis remained outside said so singularity.Because that was the Black Hole where Darkseid intended to take everyone.
And energy blast is not one of they're powers?You're saying the powers shielded the energy blasts? LOL. This is just getting more amusing by the minute.
And Mandrakk was wrong. He was wrong when he said they're would be no light or energy at the scene; proven wrong against Superman solar base power and the present of Element X. He was also wrong about reality being in full darkness (inside singularity) as the present of matter still existed (remnants of Watchtower, mobious chair, miracle machine).Grasping at straws now?
I take that as false reminder of no hope for Superman to accept his offer, "To die in agonizing death in his arm."Hahahaha.
To die in agonizing death in his arm.Yeah, that was a badass scene for Superman. Surfer might've just surrendered himself.
http://s198.photobucket.com/user/RRoldz/media/supes01.jpg.html
Fully drained according to Guy.Well Guy doesn't know the emergency auto-shields of GLs.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/8fbdbe11.jpg
It can't be used by a ring user in normal circumstances.
Relax bud! I'm not ignoring it, I'm countering it with proof to back up my claim.Nope, you're just repeating yourself.
I'm one to admit defeat if I'm found wrong, however this one far from it.. [/B]Name one instance where you admitted defeat.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
😂It's always gotta be something out of nothing. Watchtower wall > DC.
Originally posted by Ambient
Preposterous isn't it? If we abide by Abbi's feat. lol's
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm still confused as to why feats need to be made up on Superman's behalf. You'd think a guy who survived a double black hole wouldn't need non feats to back him up but what do I know?Good stuff.
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The circumstantial evidences to negate it are hilarious though. Don't stop on my count though. Get more desperate.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey, look. Two surfer fanboys trying to negate a superman feat. Who'd have thought it?🙄
The circumstantial evidences to negate it are hilarious though. Don't stop on my count though. Get more desperate.
Kind of like how you consistently try to negate Thor feats to prove he can't be a threat to Thor.
Originally posted by abhilegendYour while agenda is to put down other characters feats and to downplay them and you have the audacity to call anyone else a fanboy.
Hey, look. Two surfer fanboys trying to negate a superman feat. Who'd have thought it?🙄
The circumstantial evidences to negate it are hilarious though. Don't stop on my count though. Get more desperate.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Everything.Superman was on earth. Watchtower wasn't. Superman was right in the black hole where Darkseid was.
I think your quite confuse, Superman was in watchtower when he destroyed Darkseid soul with vibration frequency.
Take a look at the bottom of the scan after Superman unleashed vibration frequency.
Then this scan. This is the same structure as the one above and Lois stated it as The Watchtower, which prove that the final fight against Darkseid and Mandrakk happened in Watchtower.
That wasn't simply a statement. The motherboxxx created the boom tube the instant Earth fell into abyss which was before that scene.So she was describing an event. Not just an empty statement. The black hole destroyed two universes too.
This particular scene your referring really does not refute my claim and totally hold no relevance to this debate. I sure didn't point out that Earth was not swallowed by the BH, what i said is that the finally of final crisis happened outside multiversal singularity, which was the remnant of the Watchtower.
You can beg all you want. It matters little.No, that's not watchtower. It was destroyed by Superman just before that scan. Try again.
Did that look like Superman vibration frequencied it out of existence? Because it seemed like you made it sound like he vaporized the Watchtower and just in case your going to refuse to look at the evidence again, he didn't destroy the Watchtower.
I find it hilarious that you're so desperately trying to use watchtower as an excuse to negate this showing.
They said right there that this was there chance to enter the singularity.As you can see the whole earth is inside that black hole.
And on panel Earth was shown to be inside the singularity while GLs were about to enter the singularity. So many mental gymnastics.Again repeating yourself. Explain how the GLs said they were about to enter the singularity when they approached the earth?
Originally posted by abhilegend[/B]
[B]Because Superman's wish and Nix Uotan's summons protected them. That's why GLs couldn't enter the singularity before but when Superman made the wish, they were able to enter the singularity.
Because that was the Black Hole where Darkseid intended to take everyone.
You're saying the powers shielded the energy blasts? LOL. This is just getting more amusing by the minute.
Its narrated that they're powers is what shielded them from the black hole, that means they're powers work inside the blackhole, which again means they can use it inside blackhole, which means they can fire energy blast inside black hole, which was shown on panel.
Grasping at straws now?
Well Guy doesn't know the emergency auto-shields of GLs.http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/8fbdbe11.jpg
It can't be used by a ring user in normal circumstances.
And beside Hal, Kyle and the rest of GL confirmed this. Are you saying they also don't know E auto shields?
Name one instance where you admitted defeat.
Oh wait here's one amongs a few..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551315.html
You ask for it, the same thing. 😱
Originally posted by AmbientRepeating again? No need to reply to this. And Lois was miniaturized at that moment when Mandrakk showed up. So her narration holds no weight to the situation at that point.
Everything what ????? What exactly are you pointing out, run it by me again because your not making any sense.I think your quite confuse, Superman was in watchtower when he destroyed Darkseid soul with vibration frequency.
Take a look at the bottom of the scan after Superman unleashed vibration frequency.
Then this scan. This is the same structure as the one above and Lois stated it as The Watchtower, which prove that the final fight against Darkseid and Mandrakk happened in Watchtower.
I didn't say it didn't happen, what I said is that it supersede yours - Meaning my evidence totally destroyed yours. hhehehe!In your dreams perhaps.
This particular scene your referring really does not refute my claim and totally hold no relevance to this debate. I sure didn't point out that Earth was not swallowed by the BH, what i said is that the finally of final crisis happened outside multiversal singularity, which was the remnant of the Watchtower.The GLs specifically stated to enter the singularity. And then showed up where Superman was. What does that tells you about where Superman was? i hope you are not that slow to figure that out. They were inside the singularity already where GLs went.
Except that the evidence given against you matters a lot and unfortunately, failing to counter it is making quite fool out of you.I have already countered them. Not my fault you keep repeating it.
You meant this.Just give it a rest already.Did that look like Superman vibration frequencied it out of existence? Because it seemed like you made it sound like he vaporized the Watchtower and just in case your going to refuse to look at the evidence again, he didn't destroy the Watchtower.
Bwahahaha! Whats even more hilarious is that you don't have an answer to the question, so I guess your next and only viable option is to dodge it..Not really.
Didn't look like it is fully swallowed at that scan but like i said its irrelevant as I didn't claim that Earth didn't fell into the abyss making that evidence mute.It is very relevant. Read the sequence again.
Wasn't it you who said that it was Nix Uotan's who summoned them.Yes. And Superman summoned Nix with his wish.
Here's that quote from you. Your confuse again..😂
This is just ironic on so many levels.
HUH! ???? Darkseid wanted to take the whole DC multiverse to where the Watchtower was ????? hahahaha! Funny as it is, it still doesn't answer the question.You are just stalling the inevitable now.
You confuse again Abhi? It's becoming a pattern for you.Ha, more mental gymnastics. No energy blasts in a black hole, just like you said. Shall I show you Terrax/Dazzler fight now?Its narrated that they're powers is what shielded them from the black hole, that means they're powers work inside the blackhole, which again means they can use it inside blackhole, which means they can fire energy blast inside black hole, which was shown on panel.
Nope! but can't say the same for you.Even an exhausted ring protects its users due to reserve power. Quite simple.How's that going to work if there no power to the ring to activate it.
And beside Hal, Kyle and the rest of GL confirmed this. Are you saying they also don't know E auto shields?
AaaHHHHmmmmmm! Can't say I've been defeated. 😆 JKYou are just a glutton for punishment, aren't you? This is sad even for your standard "negate superman feats" procedure.Oh wait here's one amongs a few..
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t551315.htmlYou ask for it, the same thing. 😱
