h1a8 please don't descend to Abby's level of denial. Thirty and Superman ae'er peers to Superman, but they are not similar, therefore there is no double standard. Not only has it been shown, it's been stated that Surfer has struggled with Thor due to his skills and mentally as a warrior also with his in ability to effectively process and guard against Thor's Asgardian magical energy. Now, would you like me to turn the argument around and say you are creating a double standard because Superman cannot counter Thor's Asgardian magic yet you believe he'd beat Thor?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So, I give open challenge to ALL surfer fans and nobody has balls to accept my challenge? Where is Bran? Vince? Ambient? Naija?Remember this the next time anybody says Surfer wins against Superman.
Tell you what, how's about I see your challenge and raise you one of my own...
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519660
Surfer vs Supes BZ w/no k-nite, red sun, or solar energy draining for Surfer. I know it's not the feat restrictions you wanted placed on Surfer, but the tactical restrictions placed on my guy should more than make up for the difference 🙂
Originally posted by darthgoober
Tell you what, how's about I see your challenge and raise you one of my own...http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519660
Surfer vs Supes BZ w/no k-nite, red sun, or solar energy draining for Surfer. I know it's not the feat restrictions you wanted placed on Surfer, but the tactical restrictions placed on my guy should more than make up for the difference 🙂
Not the make believe "I control the character". That's not Silver Surfer vs Superman debate, it's debating of the power sets.
If you're so sure of Surfer winning, you should be comfortable in taking the challenge for pure comic feats in combat. I can take you in a BZ any day of the week, it's just too damn easy "Superman erasing Silver Surfer from existence within a nanosecond with a counter vibration" easy.
Why don't you take my challenge and we'll see who is actually superior in the only thing that matters aka comics?
Originally posted by h1a8
it was shown that only kryptonite from Superman's universe works on him. And a mod ruling that Surfer can't miraculously make kryptonite from other universes. He can't make kryptonite anyway since he wouldn't know it's chemical makeup by just knowing it's name.
But nobody is saying by merely knowing its name he can make it. He said he could sense the specific type of radiation needed to kill Gladiator, why not Superman?
Also, the "kryptonite from other universes doesn't work" was, I thought, only something from Pre NuDC?
Black holes have infinite ripping power at the singularity. Thanos or any physical being will be utterly destroyed touching one. Now some Heralds can survive inside the event horizon of one, but that's not the same thing. Plus Thanos has been injured from being inside an artificial one. Surfer puts one in each of Thanos eyes.
Thanos has also walked away from singularities and such things, why would a black hole kill him? An artificial one hurting him seems incredibly suspect.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it's not in his nature.
This response suggests that you recognize someone with Surfers power set could defeat Superman and that the only thing preventing a win is Surfers own "nature" as opposed to a lack of power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Sorry, I only deal with what happens in the actual comic.Not the make believe "I control the character". That's not Silver Surfer vs Superman debate, it's debating of the power sets.
If you're so sure of Surfer winning, you should be comfortable in taking the challenge for pure comic feats in combat. I can take you in a BZ any day of the week, it's just too damn easy "Superman erasing Silver Surfer from existence within a nanosecond with a counter vibration" easy.
Why don't you take my challenge and we'll see who is actually superior in the only thing that matters aka comics?
I'm not talking about debating powersets, I'm talking about a strait up debate between the characters according to forum rules. Hell the stipulations of my proposal eliminate the most frequently used tactics that you types argue are out of character so I fail to see what you're even basing the claim of a powerset battle on.
Originally posted by SurturThis response suggests that you recognize someone with Surfers power set could defeat Superman and that the only thing preventing a win is Surfers own "nature" as opposed to a lack of power.
Can surfer defeat Superman? Sure. But it's like Superman erasing Surfer from existence with a counter vibration attack.
Except Superman has actually done it. If we want make believe scenarios, I can actually back up my case via scans.
Can you do it and produce scans of Surfer doing the things you say?
So just to be clear, let us say I zapped both Superman and Silver Surfer with a mental bolt that made them both willing to kill and go all out against each other, both using their powers all out. Who would win?
How many times has Superman vibrated someone out of existence? Versus how many times Surfer has shown manipulation of a variety of energy types?
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not talking about debating powersets, I'm talking about a strait up debate between the characters according to forum rules. Hell the stipulations of my proposal eliminate the most frequently used tactics that you types argue are out of character so I fail to see what you're even basing the claim of a powerset battle on.
By forum rules you mean "I can use whatever I want and mash several different showings together".
Sorry pal, CBR is on a different way.
And I don't know why you're afraid of using pure combat feats from surfer instead of some "forum rules".
If Surfer is that formidable, you should be able to use his in comic performance to win an argument.
Not some imaginary version of the character which is controlled by you.
Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear, let us say I zapped both Superman and Silver Surfer with a mental bolt that made them both willing to kill and go all out against each other, both using their powers all out. Who would win?How many times has Superman vibrated someone out of existence? Versus how many times Surfer has shown manipulation of a variety of energy types?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Does it matters in this type of debate? I can show you characters more powerful than Surfer failing to manipulate Superman's energies. Can you show me Surfer being able to resist getting erased from existence?
Who is more powerful then Surfer who failed to manipulate his energies?
Also for all the talk about what is or is not in a characters nature..how often does Superman actually erase people from existence?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course you are trying to use power sets in a debate. I've fought in many BZs. You don't have to tell me how it works.By forum rules you mean "I can use whatever I want and mash several different showings together".
Sorry pal, CBR is on a different way.
And I don't know why you're afraid of using pure combat feats from surfer instead of some "forum rules".
If Surfer is that formidable, you should be able to use his in comic performance to win an argument.
Not some imaginary version of the character which is controlled by you.
Abhi I'm not talking about debating by CBR rules, I'm talking about debating by KMC rules cause you know... that'd be the site we're debating on and such. I mean are you now conceding that according to KMC forum rules(IE the rules that are in effect in this thread) that Surfer beats Supes hands down or something to that effect?
I'm not afraid of it, I just don't see the point. See I have no problem conceding the fact that a flagship character with more combat showings of any other character with the possible exception of Spiderman could match any combat showing of a character like Surfer who's far less popular and frequently portrayed as an outright pacifist. I do find it interesting that you feel the need to restrict the feats Surfer's allowed to use in order to give Supes the win over Norrin though...
Originally posted by Surtur
Who is more powerful then Surfer who failed to manipulate his energies?Also for all the talk about what is or is not in a characters nature..how often does Superman actually erase people from existence?
Again, why does it matter? How many times Surfer has created kryptonite or red sun radiation?
Superman has erased people from existence more time than that.
Originally posted by darthgooberWhich would be what, "maximum capacity rule"? I'm curious, what is maximum capacity for surfer and how is it different than CBR?
Abhi I'm not talking about debating by CBR rules, I'm talking about debating by KMC rules cause you know... that'd be the site we're debating on and such.
I mean are you now conceding that according to KMC forum rules(IE the rules that are in effect in this thread) that Surfer beats Supes hands down or something to that effect?Far from that. Under those rules, Superman would beat the shit out of surfer in picoseconds or something like that. But where is the fun in that? I want to break Surfer fanboys' ego by simple comics portrayals.
I'm not afraid of it, I just don't see the point.
😂
You don't see the point of actual comics portrayals factoring but some arbitrary rules on a forum are of the point? Flash Fact: what we do or say have no meaning unless backed by comics.
See I have no problem conceeding the fact that a flagship character with more combat showings of any other character with the possible exception of Spiderman could match any combat showing of a character like Surfer who's far less popular and frequently portrayed as an outright pacifist.
But if you think surfer beats Superman, you must be able to make such claims by actual comic showings, right? Or are you conceding that going by comics, Superman would beat Surfer? Because here you are contradicting yourself.
And Lulz at "flagship" excuse. Superman has combat showings at that level because he is that damn powerful.