Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Won't get into the argument but I have to point something out.You mean like the statements made by Pak about Wold War Hulk where he basically did nothing the other hulk incarnations have done. But YOU consider him stronger than most hulks?
Just saying 😕
Pak had nothing to do with my thoughts on WWH. Shield read WWH power level and said he was at a power level never seen before. Strange did the same. Reed couldn't even read WWH power level because it was so high. This goes on and on and on. Lol...and Hulk didn't fail at any fts Savage Hulk achieved. Put them in the same situation and WWH would've performed better. Let's also not forget WWH held back throughout his entire run.
Anyways, blue Superman doesn't equal Superman. Their entire powerset is completely different. It's like me using War Hulk fts for Savage and yes, after War Hulk Savage Hulk was said to he more stronger than ever or angrier than ever. Nothing but statements without actual proof.
Originally posted by carver9
God!!!
You dodging my response to you is a concession. And you trying to lowball that feat is pathetic.
Originally posted by carver9
It's like me using War Hulk fts for Savage and yes, after War Hulk Savage Hulk was said to he more stronger than ever or angrier than ever.
Which you have done.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Nebula Man? Looks like a jobber to me. Glad to see space cheese feats turn you on. Even happier to see you approved of intagibility as a means of Superman hiding from Surfer.
Also Lulz at the bait.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
"Said to have been?" So when it's convenient you buy into text and offer it as evidence. When it's not, you reject it.
Originally posted by carver9
Find some Superman speed fts instead of using Blue Superman fts. They are different in every category and a statement saying Superman is faster than ever is just that, a statement with no proof. Blue Superman was faster imo, much faster to the point of embarrassing Flash in speed. Doesn't matter since Superman and Blue Superman are different characters.
And nobody gives a shit about what you think anyway.
Originally posted by carver9
Pak had nothing to do with my thoughts on WWH. Shield read WWH power level and said he was at a power level never seen before. Strange did the same. Reed couldn't even read WWH power level because it was so high. This goes on and on and on. Lol...and Hulk didn't fail at any fts Savage Hulk achieved. Put them in the same situation and WWH would've performed better. Let's also not forget WWH held back throughout his entire run.Anyways, blue Superman doesn't equal Superman. Their entire powerset is completely different. It's like me using War Hulk fts for Savage and yes, after War Hulk Savage Hulk was said to he more stronger than ever or angrier than ever. Nothing but statements without actual proof.
Shut up with all this hulk nonsense.
Originally posted by Genii96I didn't say Superman would blitz Surfer. I just gave an example of what Superman can do in the time frame of a blink (1 second). So Surfer must do things that are faster than a blink. My argument is that Surfer can't do anything exotic (like soul crunching) because those things take more time to activate (unless you can prove otherwise). Surfer would be reduced to blasting, maneuvering and creating hand shields. Surfer can use red solar radiation to gain an advantage however.
Ok u need to stop this ridiculous superman d-riding,at first it was funny,now its juts irritating. Superman blitzing surfer,is a joke,superman hitting millions of times before surfer can blink is a freaking joke...superman's intangibility,won't help...surfer has sso many ways to win its not even funny.
Originally posted by carver9I agree. So we are at an impasse. If Surfer goes intangible and stays that way then it's a stalemate.
Superman can't attack while he's intagible. Prove that he can.
Originally posted by carver9
The same Jay that admitted Green Lantern and Red Tornado was faster than him?
Anyway Superman said he was faster than ever after OWAW. That's more concrete than your whining.
Why don't you post Surfer speed Feats instead of lowballing Superman?
Oh right, that's all you do.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say Superman would blitz Surfer. I just gave an example of what Superman can do in the time frame of a blink (1 second). So Surfer must do things that are faster than a blink. My argument is that Surfer can't do anything exotic (like soul crunching) because those things take more time to activate (unless you can prove otherwise). Surfer would be reduced to blasting, maneuvering and creating hand shields. Surfer can use red solar radiation to gain an advantage however.
Outside that
Superman's hv is more accurate and more powerful on average than Surfer's normal blasts. Superman's physical strength is enough to 2-3 shot Surfer (assuming Superman let's loose). This is a very close fight. Superman uses his speed to prevent Surfer from doing anything exotic and reducing him to just a maneuvering blaster.I agree. So we are at an impasse. If Surfer goes intangible and stays that way then it's a stalemate.
Prove that it takes time for Surfer to use his versatility. Prove that it takes more time for him to use his versatility than him just shooting a simple blast. Stop making up things H1. It's getting irritating.
Why can't Surfer attack while intangible?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He flies and scans. Actually his board is doing the work for him. ^^
Uh he uses the board to fly, but it is still his own power. Maybe you'd have a point if this was just Surfer using his board to go fly in a straight line(like flying at FTL speeds in space), but that isn't what happened.
Originally posted by carver9Versatility encompasses both slow powers and fast ones. I'm referring to the exotic slow ones. So why mention the term versatility? Only discuss specific abilities. For example, In the soul crunching scene it appeared that he achieved that in 3-5 seconds. Also there is no evidence to show that Surfer did that in less than 3 seconds. Thus we can't assume that he can.
Prove that it takes time for Surfer to use his versatility. Prove that it takes more time for him to use his versatility than him just shooting a simple blast. Stop making up things H1. It's getting irritating.Why can't Surfer attack while intangible?
Remember I said he can't unless you can prove that he can.
Originally posted by Surtur
Uh he uses the board to fly, but it is still his own power. Maybe you'd have a point if this was just Surfer using his board to go fly in a straight line(like flying at FTL speeds in space), but that isn't what happened.
Which is not very fast.