Dude if you feel so strongly about this topic why you don't step into the plate and take Abhi's challenge instead of trolling him with your constant whining?
You are on 3 threads talking about the same things. You have plenty of time and you feel like you have a case. So man up and step up to the plate.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Dude if you feel so strongly about this topic why you don't step into the plate and take Abhi's challenge instead of trolling him with your constant whining?You are on 3 threads talking about the same things. You have plenty of time and you feel like you have a case. So man up and step up to the plate.
I agree, these two should get a room.
The main problem that both the Superman and Silver Surfer camps are having is that they seem unwilling to acknowledge what both of these characters are bringing to the table. If this fight were allowed to get up close and personal, Superman has a greater chance of beating the lights out of the Surfer, while on the Surfer's side, if he manages to operate and use his powers, he could literally cut Superman off from his power source. He could also trap him in his board, manipulate his genetics. Both characters can become intangible. One due to speed, and the other due to manipulating his cosmic form. IMO this is really the Surfer's fight to lose and this is not because of favoring one above the other, but simply because the Surfer would know that Superman was a battery, like he knew that the Hulk was a gamma mutate without having to consult background check or file system on the character. This would allow him to end the fight as soon as it began.
The question here is whether or not these types of actions would be within his character on average? I would say yes. After all the Surfer has manipulated the Hulk's powers in the past, and if they were to come face to face again, there would be nothing stopping him from doing so again.
Superman wins a slug fest.
Surfer wins the versatility race.
This fight hinges on will, and which character presses their advantages sooner.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The whole "cutting him off" thing isn't a sure-fire win. It's an option, sure, but it's also been tried before. Superman as a character has several villains that are energy manipulators.
Understood, but the Surfer has a 40 year (or longer) resume, where those others do not. We have actually seen the Surfer pull power from stars and become a power house. We have also seen the Surfer manipulate more than energy, but use his cosmic power to manipulate a creatures genetics, even healing a deer that was seconds away from death. When i think about it, I can't see any reason why the Surfer could not simply slightly change Superman genetics to the point that he no longer synthesizes solar power the same way for a variety of effect. One would be out of character for him like making Superman allergic to the sun. The other would be to simply turn him into a human, or the way that the sun works on humans to be more precise. Again, I don't believe that the Surfer would win a slug fest against Superman. But I don't see Superman beating the Surfer in the versatlity dept.
Originally posted by Stoic
Understood, but the Surfer has a 40 year (or longer) resume, where those others do not. We have actually seen the Surfer pull power from stars and become a power house. We have also seen the Surfer manipulate more than energy, but use his cosmic power to manipulate a creatures genetics, even healing a deer that was seconds away from death. When i think about it, I can't see any reason why the Surfer could not simply slightly change Superman genetics to the point that he no longer synthesizes solar power the same way for a variety of effect. One would be out of character for him like making Superman allergic to the sun. The other would be to simply turn him into a human, or the way that the sun works on humans to be more precise. Again, I don't believe that the Surfer would win a slug fest against Superman. But I don't see Superman beating the Surfer in the versatlity dept.
Oh, I don't believe for a second Superman is even remotely as versatile as Surfer.
I just think people are mistaking what Surfer COULD do, for what he WOULD do.
They don't need a 40 year resume when they understand how Superman's powers work better than Surfer. I'm not saying it's not an avenue of attack; it is. But it isn't some magic button that will win the match like that.
Most characters that face Superman have prep time and years of study and knowledge on Superman that is hard to achieve. Luthor who is the expert on superman sometimes even uses TWO weakness exploitations at a timetime ( red solar radiation and kryptonite) on a modified apokaliptian armor with years or experience and the same results over and over again
Also what will make you think that the DNA of a deer is the same as the DNA of a kryptonian. You do know that Superman has resisted molecular manipulation even on a magical level. To think that just because ss affected a deer is the same as affecting superman isuperm is inacurate imo.
To put it simply Superman has a longer track record of resisting, countering, or outright nullifying energy manipulation used against him. This includes both Red sun radiation which during most of Superman's incarnations he has become "immune to it", Kyprtonite which like red sun radiation he often becomes immune to it, and finally someone trying to matter manipulate him which he has shown to be able to outright deny.
Superman's ability to counter, resist, and outright deny weakness exploitation including matter manipulation against him is superior to Surfer's displays of said matter manipulation. This is based purely upon in comic feats and not theoretical comic fans theorizing what someone could do but never has done.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman is not immune to Kryptonite or Red Sun Radiation.
No not yet in this current reboot, but in multiple of his past iterations it has been stated on panel that he became immune to the effects of kryptonite as well as red sun radiation due to his aging and maturation of his physiology.
In fact I stated in my prior post that in many/most of his prior incarnations this ends up happening. Since we are using both characters entire resume t his is imperative to mention, this is because his current incarnation is only a tiny fraction of his entire resume.
Originally posted by Board Walker
No not yet in this current reboot, but in multiple of his past iterations it has been stated on panel that he became immune to the effects of kryptonite as well as red sun radiation due to his aging and maturation of his physiology.
The only one I know of post crisis was Kingdom Come Superman. Preboot certainly wasn't immune.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElLast person that stepped up to the plate got banned along with abhi. and multiple judges had to tell abhi to actually debate in which he didn't. Surfer wins based off abilities, superior durability, and combat effectiveness.
Dude if you feel so strongly about this topic why you don't step into the plate and take Abhi's challenge instead of trolling him with your constant whining?You are on 3 threads talking about the same things. You have plenty of time and you feel like you have a case. So man up and step up to the plate.
I don't know if you lie on purpose or if you twist things by mistake but darthgoober was not banned from abhi's issue.
Lets see Quan was Darthgoober banned?
No he wasn't the ones banned from that time was abhi, lob and bw.
goober nor blue were banned so stop lying and trying to justify blue area vet.
As for the rest wrong as usual.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Dude if you feel so strongly about this topic why you don't step into the plate and take Abhi's challenge instead of trolling him with your constant whining?You are on 3 threads talking about the same things. You have plenty of time and you feel like you have a case. So man up and step up to the plate.
**** Abby's stupid challenges. Why are you weighing in? I'm sorry if Abby has zero respect for the OP, but I do. If he wants to issue a challenge, tell him to start his own thread instead of hijacking threads.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, I don't believe for a second Superman is even remotely as versatile as Surfer.I just think people are mistaking what Surfer COULD do, for what he WOULD do.
They don't need a 40 year resume when they understand how Superman's powers work better than Surfer. I'm not saying it's not an avenue of attack; it is. But it isn't some magic button that will win the match like that.
I don't see anyone treating his abilities like a magic button. The point is a) he has those exotic abilities and B) he has the physical ability to match him that will buy him time in the battle.