Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by One-Punch
That's not exactly true.

LKZ gave Triumph three wishes. The only thing Triumph wished for was to get his old powers back, and a better hair cut. Nothing more, nothing less.

Everything Triumph accomplished during Crisis Times Five was with his old powers. Saying LKZ was actively powering Triumph is misleading when LKZ simply granted his old powers back.

Using Triumph as an example is just sad.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Lol Blue you're too defensive with Pr. He's not pulling a ruse or being misleading. He's a pretty genuine and reasonable poster. Can't say that for some other Superman fans though.

I appreciate that Punch, and no, he's not a tin foil hat wearing Superman cultist.......but he is a big Superman fan nonetheless and it shows at times. He'd probably agree to eat a bowl of lead pellets before he'd admit that Surfer would beat Superman on average.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What you don't know is Imp powered beings are inherently more dangerous to Superman than usual.

Using Triumph as an example is just sad.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What you don't know is Imp powered beings are inherently more dangerous to Superman than usual.

Using Triumph as an example is just sad.

😆

The imp used his power to give Triumph his own powers BACK. Triumph was not a being created by magic like the one in the scan!! Nothing inherently more dangerous to Superman. Did you bother to read the dialogue? He said he's "just as vulnerable to magic as the next guy." For shame. Aren't you embarassed about your compulsion to create excuses for every Superman shirtcoming?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Lol Blue you're too defensive with Pr. He's not pulling a ruse or being misleading. He's a pretty genuine and reasonable poster. Can't say that for some other Superman fans though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's so he can spit on superman when he's done beating the piss out of him.

He became like my little brother when I read this.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Except Triumph wasn't being powered by Lkz. The only thing Lkz did was grant Triumph's old power back, which was the only thing Triumph wished for.

Smh...I guess Loki is powering the Wrecker as we speak.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Pr is definitely reasonable. I mean just read his single greatest post.

He became like my little brother when I read this.

That makes me feel better. I still would love to know why he is defending boy blue tonight. Maybe he's having a moment.

The Beyonder is powering Titania and Volcana wirelessly and it's weakening him.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Except Triumph wasn't being powered by Lkz. The only thing Lkz did was grant Triumph's old power back, which was the only thing Triumph wished for.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
😆

The imp used his power to give Triumph his own powers BACK. Triumph was not a being created by magic like the one in the scan!! Nothing inherently more dangerous to Superman. Did you bother to read the dialogue? He said he's "just as vulnerable to magic as the next guy." For shame. Aren't you embarassed about your compulsion to create excuses for every Superman shirtcoming?

Like always. Good.

I will stick to my statement as entirely true

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You provide [b]an example of a being magically powered by a 5d imp

You know 5d imps >> Galactus right?

Is Silver Sufer powered by magic on that level? [/B]

Originally posted by One-Punch
That's not exactly true.

It is, you will see.

Originally posted by One-Punch
LKZ gave Triumph three wishes. The only thing Triumph wished for was to get his old powers back, and a better hair cut. Nothing more, nothing less.

lets stop here, Billy Mac Did NOT ask for his "OLD" power back, he asked to be "Triumph again" and a better hair cut. I do not know where did you get that he asked for his "old powers" back

Look at your own scans and that is what it is stated on them

Originally posted by One-Punch
[B]Everything Triumph accomplished during Crisis Times Five was with his old powers. Saying LKZ was actively powering Triumph is misleading when LKZ simply granted his old powers back.

I never said Triumph was "amped" by a 5th dimensional imp, I said Triumph was MAGICALLY POWERED BY A 5TH DIMENSIONAL IMP, now as Abhi just showed Magically powered beings are inherently more dangerous to Superman

Originally posted by abhilegend
What you don't know is Imp powered beings are inherently more dangerous to Superman than usual.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Except Triumph wasn't being powered by Lkz. The only thing Lkz did was grant Triumph's old power back, which was the only thing Triumph wished for.

Triumph's power was magically restored by Lkz, it wasn't his "old power" as He just asked to be Triumph again.
Just like the Doomsday being shown by Abhi it was just as strong as Doomsday but powered by magic made it more dangerous to Superman and like this example there are others in which it can be seen how magically powered items are more dangerous to Superman especially if they are 5d powered to which he has amos no defences against.

And Triumph oneshotted Hourman one million with Worloggog in the previous comic.

http://imgur.com/MA3kgMe
http://imgur.com/9UVTVBf

What a weakling!!!

mmm

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I will stick to my statement as entirely true

It is, you will see.

lets stop here, Billy Mac [B] Did NOT ask for his "OLD" power back, he asked to be "Triumph again" and a better hair cut. I do not know where did you get that he asked for his "old powers" back

Look at your own scans and that is what it is stated on them

I never said Triumph was "amped" by a 5th dimensional imp, I said Triumph was MAGICALLY POWERED BY A 5TH DIMENSIONAL IMP, now as Abhi just showed Magically powered beings are inherently more dangerous to Superman

Triumph's power was magically restored by Lkz, it wasn't his "old power" as He just asked to be Triumph again.
Just like the Doomsday being shown by Abhi it was just as strong as Doomsday but powered by magic made it more dangerous to Superman and like this example there are others in which it can be seen how magically powered items are more dangerous to Superman especially if they are 5d powered to which he has amos no defences against.

Pathetic. The scans show nothing of the sort. You must be imagining dialogue the isn't there. Being restored, getting his old powers back and being Triumph again is a game of semantics on your part. He was not made to be a magical being as a result. If he's a magical being, then provide proof. The Doomsday is actually a magical construct and is a different animal. In the Triumph story, there is no indication whatsoever that Triumph is effecting Superman due to magic. If he was, then where is the similar dialogue from Superman? There is none.

You two are two of three completely blind, fanatical Superman fans on the board who see want you want in threads. Don't expect others to experience the same hallucinations.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's not that I don't want him to be, it's that he's irrelevant to the question of whether or not Surfer could drain Superman because he doesn't drain in the same manner and I'm saying this for the third time. I don't even know why you think this is helping your argument when Parasite has had great success draining Superman. Triumph drained using the electromagnetic spectrum and Superman was helpless to stop him. Since Surfer has a history of draining opponents and he has the same control over the electromagnetic spectrum, logically, he could successfully drain Superman in a similar fashion. What's so hard to understand about this simple concept? I'm sorry you don't like the logical conclusion.

As far as your desire to cite an average, there is no average without more than a single exampk, but it doesn't negated the fact that the best information we have based on the example I provided is 100% in my favor. Surfer has too many ways to beat Superman and I give him 8/10 wins.

Again, you're ignoring what I said. Again. How can you claim to win a debate when you're the only one debating that point?

That kind of strawman is getting tiresome, tbh.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I appreciate that Punch, and no, he's not a tin foil hat wearing Superman cultist.......but he is a big Superman fan nonetheless and it shows at times. He'd probably agree to eat a bowl of lead pellets before he'd admit that Surfer would beat Superman on average.

Actually no, I wouldn't. And I'm pretty sure your desire to see Superman lose is far stronger than my desire to see him win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Again, you're ignoring what I said. Again. How can you claim to win a debate when you're the only one debating that point?

That kind of strawman is getting tiresome, tbh.

Actually no, I wouldn't. And I'm pretty sure your desire to see Superman lose is far stronger than my desire to see him win.

I'm not the one making, or in your case, defending ridiculous arguments based on illogical inferences that aren't supported in the story. I believe the fact that you allow Rao and Abby to use such flawed debating practices speaks to your fandom. I don't "want to see Superman lose", I want people to argue on the level and have enough respect to admit when a point is lost. After taking the long way around, you recognize that restoring one's ability through magical means does not make that character a magical construct. These two are holding on for dear life because they refuse to concede ANY point.

There is not ONE indication in the Triumph fight that Superman was being drained by any power other than Triumphs own ability. There is also no indication that Triumph was a magical construct. To claim otherwise is simply lying. If the writer intended for either to be the case and thus result in weakening Superman, he would have written some dialogue similar to what appeared in the Doomsday construct scan (by the way, Superman did not say the Doomsday construct weakened him, he simple said he is as vulnerable to magic "as the next man"😉. Now, regardless of your personal opinion on the OP topic, your fandom or how you view me as a poster, the right thing to do would be to address these sort of unsupported claims in debating because that's what really sinks threads.

PR, I just reviewed the rules and something caught my eye that's relevant to this fight. You, unlike the other two, are saying Surfer wouldn't drain Superman in similar fashion to Triumph while the other two came up with some cockameme theory that Triumph was amped, oh wait, emmiting magical power that resulted in the ability to drain Superman, even though he needs any help doing so and therefore Triumph draining Superman by way of his control over the electromagnetic Spectrum is a feat that could not be duplicated by Surfer. Here's what you all had to say about Silver Surfer.

Silver Surfer: Surfer is a character, not a powerset. Like Flash in DC, far too many people try to argue the potential of his abilities and how THEY would use them, rather than how Surfer would use them. That kind of attitude isn't going to cut it anymore. Use scans to back up arguments, or at the very least issue numbers.

Now, scans of Surfer draining a herald strength character in Hulk were provided, so I am trying to understand why you would think he simply wouldn't attempt to drain Superman. Thanks.

The only thing you have going for you is that great ass.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm not the one making, or in your case, defending ridiculous arguments based on illogical inferences that aren't supported in the story. I believe the fact that you allow Rao and Abby to use such flawed debating practices speaks to your fandom. I don't "want to see Superman lose", I want people to argue on the level and have enough respect to admit when a point is lost. After taking the long way around, you recognize that restoring one's ability through magical means does not make that character a magical construct. These two are holding on for dear life because they refuse to concede ANY point.

There is not ONE indication in the Triumph fight that Superman was being drained by any power other than Triumphs own ability. There is also no indication that Triumph was a magical construct. To claim otherwise is simply lying. If the writer intended for either to be the case and thus result in weakening Superman, he would have written some dialogue similar to what appeared in the Doomsday construct scan (by the way, Superman did not say the Doomsday construct weakened him, he simple said he is as vulnerable to magic "as the next man"😉. Now, regardless of your personal opinion on the OP topic, your fandom or how you view me as a poster, the right thing to do would be to address these sort of unsupported claims in debating because that's what really sinks threads.

That's a load of bollocks, tbh.

You're talking about things I never disputed, and attributing arguments to me that I never made.

You keep talking about my "fandom" when it's been made abundantly clear that I have less bias in this match than you do.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
PR, I just reviewed the rules and something caught my eye that's relevant to this fight. You, unlike the other two, are saying Surfer wouldn't drain Superman in similar fashion to Triumph while the other two came up with some cockameme theory that Triumph was amped, oh wait, emmiting magical power that resulted in the ability to drain Superman, even though he needs any help doing so and therefore Triumph draining Superman by way of his control over the electromagnetic Spectrum is a feat that could not be duplicated by Surfer. Here's what you all had to say about Silver Surfer.

Silver Surfer: Surfer is a character, not a powerset. Like Flash in DC, far too many people try to argue the potential of his abilities and how THEY would use them, rather than how Surfer would use them. That kind of attitude isn't going to cut it anymore. [B]Use scans to back up arguments, or at the very least issue numbers.

Now, scans of Surfer draining a herald strength character in Hulk were provided, so I am trying to understand why you would think he simply wouldn't attempt to drain Superman. Thanks. [/B]

Again, you're saying I said things I didn't. Are you even reading what I've been writing in this thread?

Pr, report him. Maybe a mod will be able to sort this mess out.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's a load of bollocks, tbh.

You're talking about things I never disputed, and attributing arguments to me that I never made.

You keep talking about my "fandom" when it's been made abundantly clear that I have less bias in this match than you do.

Again, you're saying I said things I didn't. Are you even reading what I've been writing in this thread?

As far as the last part of my post, I did go back and reread the thread and I did mischaracterize your position and I have no problem admitting that. My apologies for that. You don't question whether he would per say, you question IF he could. Having said that, I don't know why you would question why Surfer could when the one character that presents a similar means of draining Superman had little problem doing so. Surfer can't drain Superman by biological means in the manner Parasite can, so his success rate is totally irrelevant. Surfer can drain him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pr, report him. Maybe a mod will be able to sort this mess out.

Stop backseat modding before I report you.