Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Don't ever talk to me again.

What are you going to do about it if I do?

Wow, more flat out LYING from Abby. You are passing this off as him draining Superman? First off, the scans show the heroes are willingly expending their energies which is the opposite of what occurred with Triumph who took Superman's STORED energy against his will. Second, it's not a one on one situation, genius- that's a pretty important detail! Third, Superman is just a ****ed as everyone else, yet you claim he turned out better? Why the hell is his voice caption in the same swiggley font? The events in this showing aren't remotely comparable to what happened with Triumph, yet you want to draw a false comparison. Stop your ****ing lies and log off.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, more flat out LYING from Abby. You are passing this off as him draining Superman? First off, they heroes are willingly giving expending their energies. Second, it's not a one on one situation, genius. Third, Superman is just a ****ed as everyone else. Stop your ****ing lies and log off.

You sound really mad. Are you ok?

Originally posted by One-Punch
Actually, it was YZ who restored Wild Cat and Plastic Man.

See the scan below:

Yz says... "Hell of a day huh? Thought I would stick around...[b]Maybe do something for all the people QSWP and LKZ messed up"

Right after that, Wild Cat (and Plastic Man later) spontaneously come back to life. The Flashes did help Plastic Man, but based on the scan above, I think YZ helped.

See the scan above. YZ said he would "do something" about all the people LKZ and QWSP messed up.

It seems more like reality warping or high-level matter manipulation. The process and power comes from magic, but the end-product isn't necessarily magical.

The rock didn't act anything other than a fluorescent rock. It still depowered Superman.

But I've already listed why Triumph wasn't powered by magic:
- Steel says Triumph's powers are electromagnetic based, not magic

- Superman didn't show vulnerability or reference magic when he fought Triumph

- Triumph never mentions his powers being magic
- No other character or narration says his powers are powered by magic.

- Triumph could've wish for anything, but he ONLY wished for his powers back and nothing else (besides better hair).

If you find one statement that says Triumph is powered by magic, I'll immediately reverse my position. But there isn't any though. [/B]

The same as the building Lkz animated.

Just like the scene where Triumph was draining Superman.

And Imp powered Triumph was as strong as Superman, as fast as superman and had powers that they didn't even have names for.

And it was flat out stated that the building was drawing power from the fifth dimension. Just like Lkz. Just like Triumph.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, more flat out LYING from Abby. You are passing this off as him draining Superman? First off, the scans show the heroes are willingly expending their energies which is the opposite of what occurred with Triumph who took Superman's STORED energy against his will. Second, it's not a one on one situation, genius- that's a pretty important detail! Third, Superman is just a ****ed as everyone else, yet you claim he turned out better? Why the hell is his voice caption in the same swiggley font? The events in this showing aren't remotely comparable to what happened with Triumph, yet you want to draw a false comparison. Stop your ****ing lies and log off.

Unlike every other hero. But I like how creating another sun with other heroes and resisting draining by a sun eater who gobbled up that sun in minutes is somehow a lie.

Who the **** cares if it was a team situation? Everyone was drained. Except Superman.

Don't start quanning now.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I don't give a shit about Suneater and this thread isn't about him. This about what Triumph accomplished on panel and Superman admitting he could have been killed by draining. Stop trying to side track.

Despite what Superman said and Triumph draining him, he was still not beaten.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Those that are insulted by the fact that Surfer could easily win via weakness exploit or draining Supes are the same disrespecting Surfer by saying Supes will KO/Kill surfer in a few punches if they get into a brawl or a close quarter fight.

baka

Surfer? Eh, not so much.

Ugh... You ****s have ruined yet another thread.

Is it too much to ask that you actually debate shit, rather than shit debate?

This is a prime example of why you can't read comics. Your first sentence in your reply doesn't even represent a coherent thought. Everyone can see that they willing expended energy as part of a plan to lure Suneater. That's not remotely close to what Triumph did. And yes, it makes a difference that Suneater was taking energy dispelled by many characters. Triumph concentrated his efforts toward ONE character. Would you count a 10 heroes jumping one villain as a victory for one of the heroes? The sad thing is that if that one hero was Superman, you probably would. By the way, I think Surfer could drain more than Superman's "Body heat." 😆

Your act is completely boring at this time. No one buys into your nonsense save for one equally jaded poster. If you want to waste your time with these lies and fantasies, go ahead. You are little more than entertainment here. When you gets a chance, check the SCOREBOARD. Contrary to your believe, Superman doesn't alway win.

So this is about draining eh? Well there is an easy argument that will destroy that. Superman can HV, vibrate, evade the blast, or do a blitz punch. Either would stop Surfer from trying to drain instantly. Also, no one can prove the speed in which Surfer can drain Superman (assuming he could and would). Reasonably, if Surfer can pull it off, it would take at least a few minutes to do. That's far too long to achieve. Surfer would open himself up for attack just by attempting it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh for ****'s sake, Wildcat flat out tells how he is alive again.

QWSP burst Wild Cat's heart. You think it's a coincidence that literally right after YZ said he would help the people QWSP messed up, Wild Cat would come back to life a panel later?

Of course it is. Imp magic is just that way. It doesn't affects Superman directly but if any imp powered being is fighting Superman, he would be more dangerous than normal.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23595398/Action_Comics_659_-_05.jpg.html

The rock didn't act anything other than a fluorescent rock. It still depowered Superman.

Again, here are the facts:
- Steel analyzed Triumph and said his powers were electromagnetic based, NOT magic
- When Superman fought Triumph he didn't show magic vulnerability, and didn't reference magic, like when he fought Captain Marvel (who he got KTFO by)
- Steel specifically created a microwave gun to counter Triumph's electromagnetic powers, NOT magic
- Neither Triumph or any other character has said his powers were magic

That's steel talking. He can't detect magic, not imp magic anyway just like Emil Hamilton can't.

Steel said Triumph's powers were electromagnetic based, and created a microwave gun to counter Triumph, and it worked. You going to ignore that too?

In fact as soon as Lkz was merged with Yz, Triumph's powers went away.

Triumph didn't lose his powers when Lkz and Yz merged.

Here Lkz and Yz merge and Qwsp is taken back:

Next page shows Triumph with all his powers intact fighting Superman and the other heroes in the watchtower:

^ Clearly Triumph still has his powers after the two Djinns merged. If Triumph's powers were gone, he would have reverted to human. Unless you think a regular human can contend with Superman the way Triumph did?

Heh, that's just plain wrong.
Except y'know his powers returned by a 5-D imp.
And he got his powers back and more. He was never as strong or as fast as Superman with telekinesis and "powers you don't even have names for".

You'll notice that Triumph is emitting the same blue energy everytime he used
his powers. Same as Lkz's powers.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23595405/jla_028_19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23595406/jla_028_20.jpg.html

The same as the building Lkz animated.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23595407/JLA_02907.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23595408/JLA_02908.jpg.html

Just like the scene where Triumph was draining Superman.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/23595410/JLA_03114.jpg.html

😂

Characters share similar artistic power effects all the time in comics.

In fact, within the same story Captain Marvel has the exact same yellow lightning effects as Flash, who also has the same yellow lightning effect as Spectre.

I guess Captain Marvel and Flash are being powered by Spectre now, derp.

And Imp powered Triumph was as strong as Superman, as fast as superman and had powers that they didn't even have names for.

And it was flat out stated that the building was drawing power from the fifth dimension. Just like Lkz. Just like Triumph. [/B]

Triumph was in the JLA tower and had nothing to do with that.

So what a character "Flat out says" is only valid when it helps your argument, got it. Could you be more transparent?

Originally posted by h1a8
So this is about draining eh? Well there is an easy argument that will destroy that. Superman can HV, vibrate, evade the blast, or do a blitz punch. Either would stop Surfer from trying to drain instantly. Also, no one can prove the speed in which Surfer can drain Superman (assuming he could and would). Reasonably, if Surfer can pull it off, it would take at least a few minutes to do. That's far too long to achieve. Surfer would open himself up for attack just by attempting it.

Explain why he didn't do any of these things against Triumph.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Explain why he didn't do any of these things against Triumph.

Why didn't Surfer use black hole blasts on Thanos or Thor in the comic book? Why didn't Surfer drain the many characters he has faced? Why didn't Surfer use combat speed to prevent being hit by slow characters?

Originally posted by h1a8
Because the writer didn't want him to because it didn't fit the plot. Simple.
Why do you ask irrelevant questions?

Why didn't Surfer use black hole blasts on Thanos or Thor in the comic book? Why didn't Surfer drain the many characters he has faced? Why didn't Surfer use combat speed to prevent being hit by slow characters?

Oh, see. So since you want to hide behind the writer, how do you know that's not what the writer would want against Silver Surfer?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Oh, see. So since you want to hide behind the writer, how do you know that's not what the writer would want against Silver Surfer?

But don't you see I can apply the same exact logic to Surfer.
Why didn't Surfer drain all the people he fought?
Why didn't Surfer use his combat speed against slow characters?

See, you are creating a double standard. That's what extremely bias people do.

Originally posted by h1a8
these characters don't exist. The only thing that exists is the mind of the writer put on paper. Everything that happened in comics occurred in the writer's mind (not in some alternative universe).

But don't you see I can apply the same exact logic to Surfer.
Why didn't Surfer drain all the people he fought?
Why didn't Surfer use his combat speed against slow characters?

See, you are creating a double standard. That's what extremely bias people do.

Ha, nice effort. What you have never gotten through your head and the reason you have the reputation you do is because you don't observe the rules of debating and you have your boy Kal acting out of character on a regular basis. You cheat for Kal. Attacking at light speed at the ring of the bell is something he never does, yet you often insist he will in order to have him win. On the other hand, tell me what I have proposed that Surfer wouldn't do? There is no double standard on my part, just dishonesty on your part. Don't hide behind the artist because depictions are what we determined to be a characters average showing, something you have no regard for.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ha, nice effort. What you have never gotten through your head and the reason you have the reputation you do is because you don't observe the rules of debating and you have your boy Kal acting out of character on a regular basis. You cheat for Kal. Attacking at light speed at the ring of the bell is something he never does, yet you often insist he will in order to have him win. On the other hand, tell me what I have proposed that Surfer wouldn't do? There is no double standard on my part, just dishonesty on your part. Don't hide behind the artist because depictions are what we determined to be a characters average showing, something you have no regard for.

You are the one arguing what Superman WON'T DO while arguing what Surfer will do. Just be fair to both characters. Surfer may win but it will be hard as hell. If you see Surfer fighting in ways he usually doesn't typically do (draining, exploiting weaknesses, or anything but blasting) then how can you argue against what Superman will do? I don't care which way you go, just pick a way and stick to it for both characters. At least I argue for both characters the same way (no double standard for me). The double standard you are doing is against other debaters, not me. So you have no excuse.

P.S. It's not out of character for Superman to use his perceptions and reflexes. He has done it a million times (more than Surfer). It's also not out of character for him to use his speed in a fight. He has done it a million times. I never argue Superman attacks at light speed coming out of the gate. My argument is primarily he will see things far slower than his opponents which gives him a large advantage.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Ha, nice effort. What you have never gotten through your head and the reason you have the reputation you do is because you don't observe the rules of debating and you have your boy Kal acting out of character on a regular basis. You cheat for Kal. Attacking at light speed at the ring of the bell is something he never does, yet you often insist he will in order to have him win. On the other hand, tell me what I have proposed that Surfer wouldn't do? There is no double standard on my part, just dishonesty on your part. Don't hide behind the artist because depictions are what we determined to be a characters average showing, something you have no regard for.

😆 😆 😆 😆

What a cry baby rant.

Originally posted by One-Punch
This scene was after YZ said he would restore the people who LKZ and QWSP messed up. Are you going to ignore what YZ said?

So just because Triumph did well against Superman, you're going to [b]assume without evidence he's amped and magic based. That's some biased and self-serving reasoning, not to mention shoddy.

Characters share similar artistic power effects all the time in comics.

In fact, within the same story Captain Marvel has the exact same yellow lightning effects as Flash, who also has the same yellow lightning effect as Spectre.

I guess Captain Marvel and Flash are being powered by Spectre now, derp.

Three similar powered characters share the same energy signatures and you try to handwave it away by posting three different characters entirely having similar energy signatures? Red herring and strawman arguments much?

But here everything powered by Lkz had the same energy signatures. Those must be some really weird coincidence, right?

So just because Triumph was as strong as Superman, you're going to assume "Magickzz and Ampzz!" without any evidence?

It was flat out stated LKZ was the one who drew power from the fifth dimension. He was the one on Earth reality warping the planet.

Triumph was in the JLA tower and had nothing to do with that. [/B]