Superman vs Silver surfer

Originally posted by pr1983
true...

imo (yes its late, but what the hell), in a slugfest, superman has enough to take surfer as much as surfer does to take him, maybe even more...

surfer's energy powers give him a huge advantage though... if he fights intelligently, he takes the vast majority imo...

I'd agree. In a slugfest, the Surfer has the speed and durability advantages, while Superman has the fighter's edge, and a clear strength advantage - that can be diminished via amping.

A pure slugfest between the two would be a close fight, in my opinion.

But the Surfer's sheer versatility gives him a larger edge over Superman.

Of course. My humble opinion.

Tru.

Originally posted by dvampire
Supes fight people like CM, WW, BA, and plenty more, that are all way faster than mach 1. BA was even fast enough to fight with Barry at superspeeds; there's noway in hell any of them are that slow. Especailly when Supes and Doomsday were fighting mach speeds years ago. All of them have improved greatly in speed over the years.

And do you remeber what superman issue where he fought that asian god?

I know Superman can go faster than Mach 1.

But the highest speed i know he's been measured fighting at, is in the narrative of when he fought the asian characters.

He said in a monologue" I'm going so fast that i'm creating sonic booms, and he's hammering me at every turn".

I don't know the issue number.

The fastest he's said he went is fast enough to create a sonic boom, ala mach 1.

I've never read or seen anything that tells me he can actually truely fight at lightspeed. He can zoom that fast, but i've never seen him fight at that speed.

And iirc, in the JSA issue where Teth fought Jay, they never bothered to say how fast they were going.

It showed after images, which implied superspeed fighting, but they never specified how fast they were hammering each other.

They could've been going mach 1 or 15 for all we know.

Originally posted by Soljer
I'd agree. In a slugfest, the Surfer has the speed and durability advantages, while Superman has the fighter's edge, and a clear strength advantage - that can be diminished via amping.

A pure slugfest between the two would be a close fight, in my opinion.

But the Surfer's sheer versatility gives him a larger edge over Superman.

Of course. My humble opinion.

Tru.

see, its good when people agree... 😄

Barring exploiting Supermans weaknesses this fight would be pretty damm even. I'm pretty sure straight power cosmic blasts aren't gonna put Kal down.

Originally posted by UniOmni
The fastest he's said he went is fast enough to create a sonic boom, ala mach 1.

Or higher.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Barring exploiting Supermans weaknesses this fight would be pretty damm even. I'm pretty sure straight power cosmic blasts aren't gonna put Kal down.

No, but then again, I'm pretty sure a 'straight power kryptonian' right cross isn't going to be putting the Surfer down anytime soon, either.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, but then again, I'm pretty sure a 'straight power kryptonian' right cross isn't going to be putting the Surfer down anytime soon, either.

And the left has put down the Hulk......

Surfer wins though. He's too powerul and thus is a dull character imo.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't know the right has put Thor down....

And the left has put down the Hulk......

Surfer wins though. He's too powerul and thus is a dull character imo.

😂
Nevermind...

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I don't know the right has put Thor down....

And the left has put down the Hulk......

Surfer wins though. He's too powerul and thus is a dull character imo.

You find powerful characters dull, yet are a BIG Superman fan?

I don't get the joke.....

Me neither.

Originally posted by Soljer
You find powerful characters dull, yet are a BIG Superman fan?

I don't get the joke.....

Originally posted by darthgoober

Here you've got me stumped, because my knowledge of current Supes is pretty much limited to what I find out here on KMC. The last instance I have of his being severely effected by it though is from JLA/Avengers, and that was a while back. So it's entirely possible that it's become a relatively small hindrance to him(like purely physical attacks are to Surfer in fact). But I would like to point out, that Supes was pretty much powerless after the SBP ordeal when he took SBP out(though that was from a combination of red sun and K-nite I'll admit).

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are you saying Superman is as powerful at Surfer? I hope not cause Superman has like more weaknesses than any character out there. There is different levels of power and Supes is not on Norrins level. His #1 villain is a human for gods sake.

I never said that. I was merely pointing out that Superman IS a powerful character, and you mentioned that you found powerful characters dull.

Also, Superman may have three weaknesses (Kryptonite, Red Sun Radiation, and Magic), but, if you haven't noticed, he's written as damn near immune to all of them.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm guessing you're talking of Supes being powerless during 52?
He was powerless, because he willed himself to be.
The minute he was done being powerless, he just willed himself back to full power.

Originally posted by Soljer
I never said that. I was merely pointing out that Superman IS a powerful character, and you mentioned that you found powerful characters dull.

Also, Superman may have three weaknesses (Kryptonite, Red Sun Radiation, and Magic), but, if you haven't noticed, he's written as damn near immune to all of them.

There is nothing that Surfer cannot do.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Sufer is the most powerful hero in all of comics barring guys like Galactus, Odin, etc. He seems like a popular character but he cannot keep a ongoing series. Vol. #4 was the worst f*cking series I have ever read.

There is nothing that Surfer cannot do.

That's not due to the character, that's due to the writers.

I mean, hell, the Spectre can keep up an interesting series, and he's the fugging WRATH OF GOD.

For those saying that transmutation isn't an option in this fight, I was wondering if this would qualify as an example of transmutation against a herald level character...

I'm not positive what Surfer did there, but it seems a lot like transmutation to me.

I loved Vol 4.

It just seemed weird that he was so cold.

Didn't strike me as bleeding heart Surfer. He seemed really alien right there.

And he'd bring in more bucks if you didn't know how his stories were gonna go.

He gets into, or finds trouble. He tries to blast trouble.

Doesn't work. Gets owned, or robbed of pc.

Whines.

Gets freed due to his good nature.

Person who freed him is killed or wounded.

He gets angry, and does something hella uber.

He flies away with some kind of somber inner monologue.

Rinse and repeat.

If Surfer was shown as consistently competent, and got some villains that were creatively challenging, and put him in uncomfortable spots that challenged his character and not his powerset, he'd sell much better.

If i could write Surfer, he'd be the most powerful top tier in Marvel barring Strange, but he's not a hero so its not an invasion on someone like Thors territory. He'd also be competent, and show some character growth.

Whining is decent for a newbie, but he's been surfing for millenia. No excuse for stagnation like that.

Plus he lacks a compelling supporting gallery of characters.

Originally posted by darthgoober
For those saying that transmutation isn't an option in this fight, I was wondering if this would qualify as an example of transmutation against a herald level character...

I'm not positive what Surfer did there, but it seems a lot like transmutation to me.

Originally posted by Juntai
Superman's willpower can shake off transmutation. Many characters have tried. In Soul Search [the arc starting in Action 656] Superman ends up taking on a goddess, who tries transmuting him, and he shrugs it off and keeps going.

I'm not doubting you, I'm just curious to see it.