Racism

Originally posted by chithappens
We do not disagree here at all. The thing is not to blame you for your ancestors (again, they may not even be your ancestors who had slaves and so on), but to recognize what is going on. To just say "Well, this is the situation at present. That's all that matters!" is silly.

That's like me coming in on Lion King after Mufasa died and seeing Simba chilling in the jungle with Nala. I don't know what the hell is going on. 😆

The point in explaining this is not to down white people. It is to gather an understanding to all people that we are people and race is a just not worth bringing up.

Very, very good point. But here's the funny thing: you do not have to say it once the lies are there.

Example: Asians, Native Americans, certain Europeans and Africans were all polytheists. Currently, if you are not a person who believes in a monothesthic religion, one will likely disregard what you believe as not even a valid option for religion - it's all fantasy (although men parting seas, turning water to wine, talking to burning bushes, etc. sounds pretty fantasy-like to me but yea...).

Now if you take away the things they invented and basically make them all out as nomads (who were also not people of God and blah blah blah), the conclusions and underlying assumptions churn themselves out. The logic is dictated under a false truth.

Okay, I think everyone understands and is aware what happens historically; that Europeans did dominate the planet. Again, what happened long ago, isn't happening now. Is their "racism", inequality, injustices still going on in the world? Sure there is, but what it isn't is solely "White".

What is being taken away? What did "they" invent that is being hidden?

Originally posted by Alfheim
What point are you talking about? This one?

Look at the threads, you'll see a pattern; and it isn't "Non-White people are *insert negative*."

Originally posted by Robtard
Okay, I think everyone understands and is aware what happens historically; that Europeans did dominate the planet. Again, what happened long ago, isn't happening now.

And again....yes its in the past, but the past explains why things are the way they are today. This is what you're saying "Oh well the American Indians get ****ed over, oh well thats in the past thats got NOTHING to do with why they are so ****ed up today." 🤨

Originally posted by Robtard

Is their "racism", inequality, injustices still going on in the world? Sure there is, but what it isn't is solely "White".

yes I think we know that. Happy?

Originally posted by Robtard
Look at the threads, you'll see a pattern; and it isn't "Non-White people are *insert negative*."

This is what I mean you're flipping out. I think we bloody well know non-whites can be racist but your not getting the point.

Were not saying all whites are racist but wone of the main points is why are things the way they are today. Why are the American Indians less succesful than whites, for example. You just dont get it.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok so in other words for example the reason why American Indians are **** ed up today has nothing to do with the fact about what happened in the past?

No, not in other words... American Indians did get ****ed out of their lands and traditional lives. The people who did it and the lack of laws/laws that allowed it are long dead and gone. American Indians of today are entilted to every right that any other American is entitled too. They can be doctors, lawyers, frycook or even Casino owners if they wish.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No but its likey the author isnt biased.

Everyone is biased. It gets much worse on topics of race.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, not in other words... American Indians did get ****ed out of their lands and traditional lives. The people who did it and the lack of laws/laws that allowed it are long dead and gone. American Indians of today are entilted to every right that any other American is entitled too. They can be doctors, lawyers, frycook or even Casino owners if they wish.

Right.....Ok so everything is just fine and dandy now?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Everyone is biased. It gets much worse on topics of race.

...you dont think the fact hes white and hes talking about white people might just give the slightest chance hes NOT biased and is more open minded?

Originally posted by Alfheim
And again....yes its in the past, but the past explains why things are the way they are today. This is what you're saying "Oh well the American Indians get ****ed over, oh well thats in the past thats got NOTHING to do with why they are so ****ed up today." 🤨

yes I think we know that. Happy?

This is what I mean you're flipping out. I think we bloody well know non-whites can be racist but your not getting the point.

Were not saying all whites are racist but wone of the main points is why are things the way they are today. Why are the American Indians less successful than whites, for example. You just dont get it.

You're trying to twist; trying to excuse one side of racism, while condemning the other.

I'm always happy.

NO, I am not flipping out, why do you keep trying to use the silly tactic and label me as emotional? Question though, why is it always one-sided in these threads, i.e. "White people are *negative*"?

They are? Those Casinos make a nice profit, there are successful American Indians in all walks of life, from doctors, to lawyers to politicians.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Right.....Ok so everything is just fine and dandy now?

I already said there is racism, injustices and equality still in the world, remember.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It is important to stress that to criticize whiteness is not necessarily to engage in a massive orchestration of guilt. Guilt is often a distracting and mistaken emotion, especially when it comes to race. White people are fond of pointing out that as individuals they have never practiced discrimination, or that their ancestors never owned slaves. White people tend to cast the question of race in terms of guilt in part because of the American ideology of individualism, by which I mean our tendency to want to believe that individuals determine their own destinies and responsibilities. In this sense it is un-American to insist that white Americans benefit every day from their whiteness, whether or not they intend to do so. But that is the reality.

Couldn't help but giggle a little.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, not in other words... American Indians did get ****ed out of their lands and traditional lives. The people who did it and the lack of laws/laws that allowed it are long dead and gone. American Indians of today are entilted to every right that any other American is entitled too. They can be doctors, lawyers, frycook or even Casino owners if they wish.

That is true and a duh point, but in application it is more complex than that.

Originally posted by Robtard
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What is being taken away? What did "they" invent that is being hidden?

I'm not trying to get into a "us" v. them debate. A lot of things ancient civilizations did is swept under the rug. Greek philosophy is based off ideas from Egypt. I mentioned the sailing. The math. A lot of stuff.

I'm not trying to come off bias. That is factual, credible information.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're trying to twist and trying to excuse one side of racism, while condemning the other.

mmmmm dont think so. Like I said not all whites are racist.

Originally posted by Robtard

They are? Those Casinos make a nice profit, there are successful American Indians in all walks of life, from doctors, to lawyers to politicians.

Right but I was under the impression that American Indians still have lots of problems in their community. Again its liek you're saying things have improved therefore theres no problem.

Obama is running for President therefore racism no longer exists.

Originally posted by Alfheim
...you dont think the fact hes white and hes talking about white people might just give the slightest chance hes NOT biased and is more open minded?

There is also a poster on KMC who is supposedly black and speaks out against "black culture" in a negative way.

Its sort of like an ad hominem(or reverse ad hominem), though in this case you're giving them more credibility due to something that should be unrelated to credability.

Originally posted by Creshosk
For some reason... no.
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For "some" reason. Ok lets hear what the reason is.

Originally posted by Creshosk

There is also a poster on KMC who is supposedly black and speaks out against "black culture" in a negative way.

Its sort of like an ad hominem(or reverse ad hominem), though in this case you're giving them more credibility due to something that should be unrelated to credability.

I dont give a **** who the other black poster is. Im talking about 2damn. If hes a plagrist hes a bad boy, but im talking about 2damn.

Originally posted by chithappens
Couldn't help but giggle a little.

That is true and a duh point, but in application it is more complex than that.

I'm not trying to get into a "us" v. them debate. A lot of things ancient civilizations did is swept under the rug. Greek philosophy is based off ideas from Egypt. I mentioned the sailing. The math. A lot of stuff.

I'm not trying to come off bias. That is factual, credible information.

Yea, that was funny...

Yea and yea.

Well, you're the one saying it, so be willing to back it up, otherwise it comes off as flimsy rants.

Originally posted by Robtard
Those Casinos make a nice profit, there are successful American Indians in all walks of life, from doctors, to lawyers to politicians.

If you knew the information behind it, you wouldn't say that so quickly.

Most resorts are a lot smaller than they are supposed to be because of bills being signed and ignored by the federal government. Not to mention shit like in the Seminole area where they have a hunting resort and then a place to go see "real Indians!" (basically the ones who did not want to sell the land and wanted to stick to tradition which is like treating them like circus monkeys).

The Indians in the West have it hard to with the coal mining shit (similar to whites in the Appalachian region of the U.S.) and the pollution of the Great Lakes up north. Forced assimilation is most cases.

* I have read a lot of case studies on that so I'm decently versed about Native Americans in the U.S.

Originally posted by Creshosk

There is also a poster on KMC who is supposedly black and speaks out against "black culture" in a negative way.

Please tell me you are not talking about "I'm a minority but my soul is white" Czarina.

Originally posted by Alfheim
mmmmm dont think so. Like I said not all whites are racist.

Right but I was under the impression that American Indians still have lots of problems in their community. Again its liek you're saying things have improved therefore theres no problem.

Obama is running for President therefore racism no longer exists.

Not the point... point is "Anti-White attitudes are wrong, but understandable because of past actions'... that spiel; I call B.S. on it.

Yea they do, just like any other community. Are they worse of than others though? Possible. No, I never said "there isn't a problem".

Wrong, I didn't say that. I brought up Obama awhile back as an example to counter FoTN's clownshoe rant about "Things are far worse off for blacks today!"

Originally posted by chithappens
If you knew the information behind it, you wouldn't say that so quickly.

Most resorts are a lot smaller than they are supposed to be because of bills being signed and ignored by the federal government. Not to mention shit like in the Seminole area where they have a hunting resort and then a place to go see "real Indians!" (basically the ones who did not want to sell the land and wanted to stick to tradition which is like treating them like circus monkeys).

The Indians in the West have it hard to with the coal mining shit (similar to whites in the Appalachian region of the U.S.) and the pollution of the Great Lakes up north. Forced assimilation is most cases.

* I have read a lot of case studies on that so I'm decently versed about Native Americans in the U.S.

Yeah so everything is NOT fine and dandy and more needs to be done but oh well thats the past we have American Indian lawyers now everything is ok.

Originally posted by Alfheim
For "some" reason. Ok lets hear what the reason is.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont give a **** who the other black poster is. Im talking about 2damn. If hes a plagrist hes a bad boy, but im talking about 2damn.

I also find it funny that he said that it was justan excuse that GDF people weren't going to look at a closed thread in the comic book section.

And that he said that nobody made a fuss when he posted in that thread in itialics. Its almost like you two live in your own little world.

Anyay, being of a race and speaking out against it with racist remarks does not make those remakrs more credible. That point stands regardless of who you thought you were talking about.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yea, that was funny...

Yea and yea.

Well, you're the one saying it, so be willing to back it up, otherwise it comes off as flimsy rants.

1) I'm sick of writing detailed paragraphs and getting a few sentences back.

2) My sources are in books and so to properly give citation will take all damn day.

One of the books is "Lies My Teacher Told Me" by James W. Loren.

I always check contradicting fats with others sources before I take it as true and it would take a while to give proof you trusted, I assume.

Originally posted by chithappens
If you knew the information behind it, you wouldn't say that so quickly.

Most resorts are a lot smaller than they are supposed to be because of bills being signed and ignored by the federal government. Not to mention shit like in the Seminole area where they have a hunting resort and then a place to go see "real Indians!" (basically the ones who did not want to sell the land and wanted to stick to tradition which is like treating them like circus monkeys).

The Indians in the West have it hard to with the coal mining shit (similar to whites in the Appalachian region of the U.S.) and the pollution of the Great Lakes up north. Forced assimilation is most cases.

* I have read a lot of case studies on that so I'm decently versed about Native Americans in the U.S.

I said they make a profit, so they don't make a profit? I said American Indians are succesul in all walks of life, there are no American Indian doctors. lawyers and politicians?

Originally posted by chithappens
Please tell me you are not talking about "I'm a minority but my soul is white" Czarina.