Originally posted by AlfheimYou're missing the point.
Well this is the thing. I havnet watched the boondocks maybe theres a good reason. Hell Chris Rock did a stand up and it was called "Black people vs N*****", because he was black he was more qualified to talk about the subject and was more objective.What the hell are you moaning about now?
According to your logic:
Uncle Ruckus and Czarina are more objective in their veiws of speaking out against blacks because they are themselves black.
Does that mean that their veiws on blacks are correct? Should I treat them with the same disdain that Uncle Ruckus and Czarina tell me to?
They can't be racist against blacks since they both ARE black.
Originally posted by SchecterHe seems to be overly sensitive about the whole 2Damn thing.
i never implied that he was talking about 2damn. read it again.
You talked about FotN and I talked about the credibility of author of the article that 2damn has been humping like it were a bible. and supposedly we were both still accusing 2damn of plagiarism.
It's almost like 2damn's Alf's sock and 2damn needs to be defended at all costs.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're missing the point.According to your logic:
Uncle Ruckus and Czarina are more objective in their veiws of speaking out against blacks because they are themselves black.
Does that mean that their veiws on blacks are correct? Should I treat them with the same disdain that Uncle Ruckus and Czarina tell me to?
They can't be racist against blacks since they both ARE black.
So? Self loathing is a real emotion.
Not to uncommon amongst minority's. Fat people have it all the time. No reason black people shouldn't have it.
Originally posted by FishyNot my point that they shouldn't have it.
So? Self loathing is a real emotion.Not to uncommon amongst minority's. Fat people have it all the time. No reason black people shouldn't have it.
Alf is arguing that the author of a text that includes some racist remarks against white people credibility should not be questioned on the subject due to the author being white.
I'm trying to draw a parrallel to other cases where those that speak racist remarks against their own race are not credible.
If the author of the article that 2damn keeps posting is more credible because they are white, wouldn't that "self-loathing" as just be a more objective veiw or would the author of the article simply be someone who suffers from self-loathing?
Originally posted by chithappens
1) Certain responses are inadequate if a certain base of information is required. If I previously had said most of those things without background it would look like bullshit.2) Here's a way to do this without lots of citing and all of that: Name the ancient European civilizations you know of.
1) And? Sometimes a sentence is all that is needed.
2) You made tha claim that the "Whites" had hidden truths about the accomplishments of "non-Whites". You want me to now disprove your claim as false? The burden of truth is on you, to prove it truth.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
WOOOOOOOW!Tell me how I KNEW this was coming.
Tell me how I knew you'd say that you knew.
Creshock is right, just because the author is "White", doens't mean his negative views on "Whites" is anymore valid.
From a few pages back:
Originally posted by Robtard
Are you implying that he MUST BE RIGHT, because he's "White"?
Originally posted by Robtard
Tell me how I knew you'd say that you knew.Creshock is right, just because the author is "White", doens't mean his negative views on "Whites" is anymore valid.
From a few pages back:
😆 @ his views automatically being deemed negative.
Everytime someone of ANY color makes a critique based on historical fact as it relates to us as a nation/world, and said facts just do happen to revolve around a race paradigm(set into motion by the founders of this country, and even further back than that), why is said someone automatically deemed a "racist"??
If a man speaks up about patriarchy, is he then self-loathing?? 😕
It's foolishness, really.
If the author was Black, he'd be deemed a "Black racist"(the worst kind). But since he is white, he must be self-hating.
This is why we can never move on.--The inability to take an honest critique.
This rings true more and more:
It is important to stress that to criticize whiteness is not necessarily to engage in a massive orchestration of guilt. Guilt is often a distracting and mistaken emotion, especially when it comes to race. White people are fond of pointing out that as individuals they have never practiced discrimination, or that their ancestors never owned slaves. White people tend to cast the question of race in terms of guilt in part because of the American ideology of individualism, by which I mean our tendency to want to believe that individuals determine their own destinies and responsibilities. In this sense it is un-American to insist that white Americans benefit every day from their whiteness, whether or not they intend to do so. But that is the reality.
Originally posted by Schecter
i never implied that he was talking about 2damn. read it again.
Fine. I just intepreted it as that since you've been having a go at him for ages.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You're missing the point.According to your logic:
Uncle Ruckus and Czarina are more objective in their veiws of speaking out against blacks because they are themselves black.
Does that mean that their veiws on blacks are correct? Should I treat them with the same disdain that Uncle Ruckus and Czarina tell me to?
They can't be racist against blacks since they both ARE black.
Im not missing anything. My point is that you are more likely to be objective about blacks if you are talking about black people but not neccesarily. Therefore when you have somebody who is white and he is saying things about white people he is more likely to be objective. Maybe that guy in that article isnt saying anything racist maybe you are taking what he is saying out of context beacuse you like to do it alot.
Originally posted by Creshosk
He seems to be overly sensitive about the whole 2Damn thing.You talked about FotN and I talked about the credibility of author of the article that 2damn has been humping like it were a bible. and supposedly we were both still accusing 2damn of plagiarism.
It's almost like 2damn's Alf's sock and 2damn needs to be defended at all costs.
So im a sock now? Why would I be so keen to vilify white people when im into Norse culture? I hate white people so much I think of adopting a religon where 99 percent of the people are white and they worship gods who are caucasian appearance. Im sticking up for 2damn because I think you're giving him a raw deal.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, of course every author could possibly be biased and one view is surely interesting to read, but just blindly accept it as the truth would be slightly ridiculous, won't you say?
I dont even think hes saying that. I think hes flipping out because people are saying that the guy is self-loathing because they dont agree with him. Its like damn if you do damned if you dont.
If the author was black the guy would be racist.
If the authors white hes self-loathing.
The problem I see is that people are just getting annoyed with what the guy is saying. I dont think that what the guy is saying is without merit and I dont even think that applies to all white people because of course there are exceptions. People are just getting angry with what the article is saying and not thinking it over.
Originally posted by AlfheimSo the white man should never have let the black man learn how to read or write?
Im not missing anything. My point is that you are[B] more likely to be objective about blacks if you are talking about black people but not neccesarily.[/b]
originally said by Uncle Ruckus
This is just proof of the white mans tragic misjudgement when he allowed niggas to learn how to read and write.
Or that no black people are going to heaven?
Dr Martin Luthor King was no great leader?
Are you getting the point yet? He's a self-loathing black man. Him being black doesn't make him more objective, it makes him self loathing.
Originally posted by AlfheimNo, you're just desperatly trying to save his credibility. But him being whaite doesn't make him more objective, it just makes him as self-loathing as Uncle Ruckus or Czarina.
Therefore when you have somebody who is white and he is saying things about white people he is more likely to be objective.
Originally posted by AlfheimOr maybe you're desperatly trying to justify racism against white people... only a racist person would try to justify racism. So are you yourself racist? Is that your agenda? a racist one?
Maybe that guy in that article isnt saying anything racist maybe you are taking what he is saying out of context beacuse you like to do it alot.
We already know 2damnloud has a racist agenda with that "Most white people are racist" line of his.
Originally posted by AlfheimOh there's a good dodge.
So im a sock now? Why would I be so keen to vilify white people when im into Norse culture?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_tZecUMJGQ
Originally posted by Alfheimhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=N_tZecUMJGQ
I hate white people so much I think of adopting a religon where 99 percent of the people are white and they worship gods who are caucasian appearance.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou reap what you sow. He was labeled racist because of his "most white people are racist" riff, tand then a plagiarist for doing what plagiarists do. Now you defending him so hard that you get overly defensive when two people weren't even talking about him. hmm Mighty suspicious.
Im sticking up for 2damn because I think you're giving him a raw deal.
Originally posted by AlfheimIf he didn't mean "all white people" he shouldn't be using words that refer to "all white people" instead he should have used words to refer to those he was talking about. Fact is he very woell could have been talking about "all white people". Do you have any proof he wasn't?
I dont even think hes saying that. I think hes flipping out because people are saying that the guy is self-loathing because they dont agree with him. Its like damn if you do damned if you dont.If the author was black the guy would be racist.
If the authors white hes self-loathing.
The problem I see is that people are just getting annoyed with what the guy is saying. I dont think that what the guy is saying is without merit and I dont even think that applies to all white people because of course there are exceptions. People are just getting angry with what the article is saying and not thinking it over.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So the white man should never have let the black man learn how to read or write?Or that no black people are going to heaven?
Dr Martin Luthor King was no great leader?
Are you getting the point yet? He's a self-loathing black man. Him being black doesn't make him more objective, it makes him self loathing.
No, you're just desperatly trying to save his credibility. But him being whaite doesn't make him more objective, it just makes him as self-loathing as Uncle Ruckus or Czarina.
Or maybe you're desperatly trying to justify racism against white people... only a racist person would try to justify racism. So are you yourself racist? Is that your agenda? a racist one?
We already know 2damnloud has a racist agenda with that "Most white people are racist" line of his.
Oh there's a good dodge.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_tZecUMJGQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_tZecUMJGQ
You reap what you sow. He was labeled racist because of his "most white people are racist" riff, tand then a plagiarist for doing what plagiarists do. Now you defending him so hard that you get overly defensive when two people weren't even talking about him. hmm Mighty suspicious.
If he didn't mean "all white people" he shouldn't be using words that refer to "all white people" instead he should have used words to refer to those he was talking about. Fact is he very woell could have been talking about "all white people". Do you have any proof he wasn't?
You still have yet to lay out some perameters for what makes Gregory Jay a "racist" or better still "self-loathing"
You're giving no actual analysis on his critique, you just seem to be pissed because he gave an actual critique in the first place.
Or maybe you're desperatly trying to justify racism against white people... only a racist person would try to justify racism. So are you yourself racist? Is that your agenda? a racist one?
You justified the usage of a Mammy stereotype.😐
Originally posted by Schecter
you're still wrong and you're still an idiot.
Skinheads, KKK, the founding fathers, Mostly whites involved in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight post integration.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
Skinheads, KKK, the founding fathers, Mostly whites involved in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight post integration.
well, that certainly proves...not a ****ing thing about most racists being white