Originally posted by Superboy PrimeNope, force users like vader can easily destroy sephiroth even with materia.
Honestly I think with materia Sephiroth would curbstomp any force user.Just count every single materia available and begin to come up with combinations. It [b]can be
quite nasty. [/B]
I guess you havnt heard of the jedis precognition? It will tell all of sephiroths next move to vader and all vader has to do is to execute a force crush which destroyed an ATAT size tank, entire medical room and a 60 story building with little effort.
Also, force speed allows a force user to move at blinding speeds which rival the speed of light, mace windu was described as invisible in his fight with karvastor, vader dodges bullets after the gun gets fired, Sidious moved so fast like light that the slightest twitch would kill his victim.
And we have the fact that luke can easily manipulate blackholes, the most destrouctive force in the universe, capsizing 1.7 km star destroyers while we have emperor palpatine whom could create wormholes destroying hundreds and thousands of war ships, We also have his massive TK which lifted a super star destroyer which is19 000 m long and at the same time he mind tricked billions of people making them forget that the saw him force lifting the lusankya with the force.
Dont underestimate the force, even with materia he is still completely defenceless to force attacks
Oh and materia? the force users can disarm him or even destroy it by gesturing
And correction, Safer Seph doesn't need materia to use magic.
Neither do AC Sephiroth and to some extent Pre Nibelheim Sephiroth. Even before his dip in the lifestream Sephy could use the Itaraki thing that took out the Junon cannon and Fubhito's helicopter in BC. In AC he has all of his magical abilities, he just doesn't use them.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader1. No proof he didn't have materia for that. Also, his sword isn't a normal sword, that could be why.
Neither do AC Sephiroth and to some extent Pre Nibelheim Sephiroth. Even before his dip in the lifestream Sephy could use the Itaraki thing that took out the Junon cannon and Fubhito's helicopter in BC. In AC he has all of his magical abilities, he just doesn't use them.
2. I would really like you to prove this.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. No proof he didn't have materia for that. Also, his sword isn't a normal sword, that could be why.
When he destroyed the helicopter in Before Crisis, everyone was impressed. Hojo even comented that he was getting stronger.
If it was just Materia, no one would be impressed, and Hojo wouldn't say that Sephiroth himself, was getting stronger
2. I would really like you to prove this.
Jenova have magic, it's in the game. In the movie his body is Jenova. And let's not forget the Negative Lifestream he can controll.
Originally posted by SHM1. Kay, so he can do a blade beam. So can Cloud.
When he destroyed the helicopter in Before Crisis, everyone was impressed. Hojo even comented that he was getting stronger.If it was just Materia, no one would be impressed, and Hojo wouldn't say that [B]Sephiroth himself
, was getting strongerJenova have magic, it's in the game. In the movie his body is Jenova. And let's not forget the Negative Lifestream he can controll. [/B]
2. No, Jenova's head merged with Kadaj is his body. Negative Lifestream isn't magic.
Any strong SW character would still stomp him.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
2. No, Jenova's head merged with Kadaj is his body. Negative Lifestream isn't magic.
Kadaj was just spirit energy. Sephiroth needed physical matter to manifest in the physical world, and that were Jenova cells. In the movie Seph's body is only J-cells. If Jenova/J-cells have magic in FFVII, why they wouldn't have in AC?
Negative Lifestream is another form of Lifestream. Now answer me... What is the source of Materia/magic in FFVII?
Originally posted by SHM1. Kadaj seemed pretty physical to me. If he wasn't, he couldn't hold his sword or be touched by Cloud.
Kadaj was just spirit energy. Sephiroth needed physical matter to manifest in the physical world, and that were Jenova cells. In the movie Seph's body is only J-cells. If Jenova/J-cells have magic in FFVII, why they wouldn't have in AC?Negative Lifestream is another form of Lifestream. Now answer me... What is the source of Materia/magic in FFVII?
2. I concede this point.
1. No proof he didn't have materia for that. Also, his sword isn't a normal sword, that could be why.2. I would really like you to prove this.
1.Yes there is, it is stated as one of his regular attacks. It isn't materia, its just a technique Sephiroth can do.
2. How many times do I need to provide the quote where the creators say Sephiroth was holding back?
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Kadaj seemed pretty physical to me. If he wasn't, he couldn't hold his sword or be touched by Cloud.
The three brothers were all spirit energy in physical form. But they were still just spirit energy. Sephiroth needed a physical body to manifest, and this is why he wanted the cells.
The J-cells have the ability of multiplying themselves, and shapeshift. This is what they did after Kadaj drunk them. Giving origin to Sephiroth's new body.