Which swordsman can match or defeat Sephiroth?

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Originally posted by fascistcrusader
2. How many times do I need to provide the quote where the creators say Sephiroth was holding back?

And yet he was defenseless and powerless to stop Cloud's Omnislash! If he was as strong as you claimed he would have been able to block or stop Cloud's Omnislash but he couldn't!

Originally posted by ESB -1138
And yet he was defenseless and powerless to stop Cloud's Omnislash! If he was as strong as you claimed he would have been able to block or stop Cloud's Omnislash but he couldn't!

He was flying when Omnislash hited him. He could have stoped flying and fall, to "dodge" the attack... But he didn't. That means Sephiroth is not capable of stop flying and fall?! Of course not!

It's not only about Sephiroth's arrogance, is about PIS and CIS. That fight was full of it.
Cloud was fighting alone, without Materias, against one of the most powerful beings in FFVII. He needed PIS and CIS to win.

Yes, Sephiroth could have dodged or blocked the attack. But then, Cloud wouldn't win. Sephiroth > Cloud and anyone else with exception of Minerva, but, the plot > Sephiroth. And the plot states the hero allways wins.

ime not sure, ime however would think Vergil could wipe the floor with Sephiroth

And yet he was defenseless and powerless to stop Cloud's Omnislash! If he was as strong as you claimed he would have been able to block or stop Cloud's Omnislash but he couldn't!

Sephiroth had never seen that attack before, he didn't know what was happening until it hit him. Did you notice the look of surprise on his face?

Let me quote his creators to you about his power

From the AC reunion files:

-It's said that Cloud was outmatched when it came to the fight with Sephiroth.
Sorry everybody who thinks that Cloud was almost on par with him: he wasn't.
Even worse for Cloud, Nomura said that Sephiroth didn't sweat during the
entire fight and never exerted himself. In other words, he wasn't even trying. Cloud on the other hand was clearly giving it his all and was described
by the book as exhausted by the time the battle was nearing its conclusion.

From an interview with Nomura, Kitase, and Nojima on AC and the compilation.

Tetsuya Nomura:
Kitase said that Sephiroth's existence and will is extremely powerful. There is nothing stronger, nothing above him.

Right before your eyes, Sephiroth > everything else in FF VII.

Nothing above him. Could easily mean any number of things equal him.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
From the AC reunion files

That's not a statement by Nomura or Kitase, that's the interpretation of the guy translating the text. In the Reunion Files they say Sephiroth is fighting ferociously with Cloud. How can he fight ferociously if he isn't trying.

Sephiroth is playing with Cloud and underestimating him, but "he wasn't even trying" is an horrible exaggeration.

Right before your eyes, Sephiroth > everything else in FF VII. [/B]

Wasn't you the guy who said Omega Weiss is equal to him?

That's not a statement by Nomura or Kitase, that's the interpretation of the guy translating the text. In the Reunion Files they say Sephiroth is fighting ferociously with Cloud. How can he fight ferociously if he isn't trying.

Sephiroth is playing with Cloud and underestimating him, but "he wasn't even trying" is an horrible exaggeration.

Its slight hyperbole but it is 90% true nonetheless. Sephiroth is toying with Cloud the entire time, he doesn't exert himself at all, he doesn't use any of his magic or special abilities, he doesn't use the negative lifestream as a weapon, and he doesn't kill Cloud right away. Even when he has a blatant chance to kill him he pokes him in the shoulder and taunts him, rather than slicing his head off.

Sephiroth wasn't using much of his power at all, he wasn't trying very hard to kill Cloud, just to make him suffer. And with Sephiroth's god like power, he could be sipping a martini and conversing with someone else, and he would still fight ferociously. All of the effort would be given from his opponent.


Wasn't you the guy who said Omega Weiss is equal to him?

No, I said OW was around his level, but Sephiroth had the advantage.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Kay, so he can do a blade beam. So can Cloud.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but Cloud's blade beam cannot even begin to compare to Sephiroth's "Junon cannon busting" BB.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but Cloud's blade beam cannot even begin to compare to Sephiroth's "Junon cannon busting" BB.
It is still a BB. Of course his is more powerful, he is stronger than Cloud. And actually, Cloud's is harder to dodge.

Their "Blade Beams" arent really the same, Clouds needs a second to charge his up and when he fires it, it explodes, Sephiroth just needs to make quick chops, which lets him do more then one, and his beams cut

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
It is still a BB. Of course his is more powerful, he is stronger than Cloud. And actually, Cloud's is harder to dodge.

Really now? Especially when it takes him considerable more time to execute?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Really now? Especially when it takes him considerable more time to execute?
In AC it took no time at all if I remember right.

He did charge it for a second in the fight, in the game it took more then a second

Lloyd from Legend of Dragon probably could, dude's skill with a sword was Legendary.

Roxas. Sora beat sephiroth and roxas beat sora.

>a non canon version of Sephiroth

potato tomato

Dun matter, even Sephiroth's cloud gathering feat is far more energetic than anything in KH afaik

Sora matches Sephiroth's building-busting, though.

Pretty sure Final Form Sora could take him :/

Sephiroth's building busting feat was clocked at 1.2 kilotons or something (well the building is the centrepoint of a massive super sity, which had regular skyscrapers in it anyways), and Sephiroth has better quantifiable speed feats (Mach 100 vs Mach 15 or something was it?)

Remind me what in Kingdom Hearts was comparable to Sephiroth's storm creating feat even