Originally posted by quanchi112
Let the fun begin. How is Ds not putting more into his counterattack. I cannot believe you would have say this. All he did was backhand him in confidential whereas in the batman story he used his omega effect. That is his most powerful attack and why resort to it if he didnt have to. The counter punch failed whereas in the past its all it took. Can you see the difference? I mean can you?
1. I meant that the backhand in S/B#13 looked to be just as casual as the pimp-slap in Confidential.
2. In S/B#13 his goal was to kill Superman which is why he was about to use the beams after the backhand. In Confidential he was just getting Superman out of his hair.
The Omega Beam aspect really doesn't have anything to do with the topic. What I'm saying is that Darkseid physically responded to a flying charge from Superman with a nonchalant backhand, just as he did in Confidential.
Im saying over the years that Superman has become gradually more powerful when it comes to how he is perceived by writers. Darkseid has obviously gotten weaker than wha he used to be. I mean back in the day he rarely lost but then you have two losses to superman,the asspounding from doomsday, and the embarrassing shovel incident with raker where Darkseid didnt land one hit in.
1. What shovel incident? Raker was lifting a shovel and Darkseid was charging his Omegas when the Guardians stepped in. Two pages earlier, Raker hit Darkseid with an actual weapon and did no damage. There's no reason to assume a shovel would've hurt him, much less beaten the OE, when he took a shot from Raker with a real weapon without damage a couple pages earlier. And when the Omegas had just bursted one of Raker's constructs. As for landing no hits, the only hit Raker landed was with that weapon that launched himself and Darkseid into the air. Aside from that, they traded blows for one panel and that was pretty much it.
Also in the same comic Darkseid harmlessly held Raker's energy-charged ring in his hand with no damage and crushed it effortlessly.
2. There's no shame in being dropped by a sneak attack from Doomsday. Superman and Captain Marvel have each destroyed each other with sucker punches before. I can't think of a single portrayal where Darkseid was that far above Doomsday in terms of strength and durability. It's completely plausible that Doomsday's attacks could hurt even a high portrayal DS like that if he landed some clean shots. And this isn't even a recent comic.
3. Yes, he's jobbed to Superman. He's also owned Superman, the Legion, Firestorm, Orion, Etrigan, Eclipso, and Secret all fairly recently. And he ignored an attacking Supergirl like she wasn't there. So there are several recent showings where Darkseid looked as good as ever.
I dont consider superman that much above jonn and friends there. Orion with what we have seen can hang with superman in a brawl becuz he tends to love that kind of a fight whereas Darkseid just wants to end it as soon as possible. He doesnt like fights that drag on and doesnt like to get his uniform dirty so to speak. That is the reason imo that superman can hang in there with orion whereas Darkseid doesnt fare as well later in the fights for two reasons.
1. Superman and orion really havent fought long enough for a winer to be decided so its kinda inconclusive.
2. Darkseid relies on his men and his powers to do the talking for him and doesnt have the experience the dog of war has in drawn out brawls. Darkseid does have an army watching his ass so one on one confrontations are hard to come by.
This really doesn't jive with continuity.
1. Superman when he started out, like he was in Confidential, was repeatedly shown to be on par with J'onn, Etrigan, Orion, Lobo, M'onel, etc. physically. Wonder Woman admitted him to be stronger than her. He wrecked Maxima, who's given him trouble even since his death powerup. All of these people he was on par with back then still appear to be his rivals today.
2. Darkseid has plenty of showings of physical might above top tiers.
Doomsdayshowed he could take Darkseids most powerful attack after he crushed his planets defenses. Darkseid met him once before in a scan goober threw up and I believe Darkseid left and told steppenwulf not to tell anyone about this as he had nothing to gain but it stilled looked bad. Doomsday showed Darkseid is like a child to him and tha Ds couldnt mount one counterattack.
I've already covered H/P. As for DD Year One, the narration plainly stated that a HTH battle between the two would be a war, and DS refused to use the OE out of honor. He left when Steppenwolf informed him that the reason he came there in the first place (the chemicals) was destroyed.
Oh yeah the comic I believe that you are tlaking about is Darkseid talking so he considers Superman a rival whereas before all he needed was a bitchslap.
He stunned Superman in S/B with a casual backhand just like he did in Confidential. Incidentally, Superman has pimp-handed both Maxima and WW before, both of whom have been stated to rival him.
Oh how times have changed.
Yes times are changing, but not in the direction you imply:
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=129373
NRAMA: So it’s going back to that early scene in the series, Darkseid playing the “chessboard” of the DC Universe – but still, even then, he came across as part observer, part puppet master…
DD: Darkseid at the chessboard is a theme that runs throughout the series, and moving the pieces around is something that Darkseid is very good at. Whether he does it on his own, or uses others to do it for him is something that will be revealed as the series moves on.
NRAMA: And Darkseid’s inclusion touches back on what you’d said building up to this all – that part of all of this was to get Darkseid back into fighting shape, back to being the threat that everyone fears, back to being the guy that even Superman (at least part of him) wants to run away from…
DD: Absolutely. That’s something that I feel very strongly about. What we’re doing right now is reestablishing Darkseid as the premiere villain or one of the premiere forces in the DCU. We’ve shown him in the past going toe to toe with so many other characters, so in some ways he was overexposed and undervalued in regards to his relationship. With this, we want to make very clear Darkseid’s reach, and the depths that he would go to to achieve his ultimate goals.
