Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion tends to favor a physical battle and has more expereince than Darkseid in that regard. Supes can hang with orion while handing ds his ass. Different matchups and different results.
"sigh" So Orion tends to favor physical battle and has more experience, then how come Orion who is EVENLY matched with Superman can't beat DS in physical combat? Nvr MIND. youll come up with some quan thing and irk me.
Re: Re: Darkseid cs Superman:Validation of Superman's victories
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS says that Superman is his Physical Equal. And Orion is shown As Superman's physical Equal. All of whom are vastly physically superior to Thor/Surfer/Hulk Ect.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlIt is an entirely different matchup. Orion and Darkseid arent the same guy. It seems like Orion would never beg for mercy while Ds has against Superman. Blame the writers but i am not making this stuff up its all canon. Ds tends to hide behind his armies sometimes while Orion will come and punch you in the mouth.
"sigh" So Orion tends to favor physical battle and has more experience, then how come Orion who is EVENLY matched with Superman can't beat DS in physical combat? Nvr MIND. youll come up with some quan thing and irk me.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is an entirely different matchup. Orion and Darkseid arent the same guy. It seems like Orion would never beg for mercy while Ds has against Superman. Blame the writers but i am not making this stuff up its all canon. Ds tends to hide behind his armies sometimes while Orion will come and punch you in the mouth.
Quan just cool it with your shit. Months ago you took every turn to call Orion a big pussy. now that he is Superman's match, all of a sudden you are calling him this and that. I'm over it.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlOrion is a bug pussy when he fightds Darkseid but not when he fights Superman. When Superman fights Darkseid nowadays Ds is the pussy.
Quan just cool it with your shit. Months ago you took every turn to call Orion a big pussy. now that he is Superman's match, all of a sudden you are calling him this and that. I'm over it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestI never said that Black Adam would take a sundipped superman but argued that it would be close. Black Adam I think would defeat Orion. When has Superman defeated Black Adam recently? 😉
Need I remind you Quan, of how Spetnaz handed you your ass when you tried to claim that Black Adam would beat Orion? Or when you claimed WW3 BA could take a sundipped Superman? durink
Originally posted by Galan007
*see damn near every encounter they've had* 😄
Okay ...
Superman Confidential#8 - Pimp-slap pwned
Adv#495 - Superman and Infinity Man imprisoned by DS
Cosmic Odyssey - Angry charging Superman is knocked away
Action#630-something (during the Action Comics Weekly era, I posted scans in the respect thread) - Darkseid handles Superman easily with blasts
Hunter/Prey - Superman's arm is burned just being near Omega Beams whike Darkseid was below full power
Adv.#595 - Superman starts threatening Darkseid and gets BFRed by Omegas
Superman#95 - Darkseid BFRs Superman with Omegas again
OWAW first meeting - Superman puts his arm on Darkseid's shoulder, gets blasted away, and GL and Plastic Man freak out trying to cushion his fall so he won't be hurt
OWAW second meeting - Darkseid beats Superman into submission
OWAW third meeting - Brief unconcluded fight that's fairly even, although DS is ahead on points when it's interrupted
A/N - Superman beats Darkseid fair and square
Action#814 - Superman suckers DS and then throws his minions at him to close the Boom Tube for a BFR
S/B#13 - Superman sucker-punches Darkseid and charges him, gets backhanded down, and he's about to be Omegaed when WW risks her life to save his. The Omegas hitting Darkseid's eyes stuns him enough for Superman to take the battle near the sun, where he wins due to the powerup
S/B#24 - Darkseid punches Superman into the Wall, imprisoning him
Out of all their encounters, the only ones where Superman looked better are AN, Action#814, and S/B#13. And in S/B#13 Superman was getting smacked down like a kid until his ally interfered on his behalf.
This is aside from the direct comparison in H/P where weakened Omegas vaporize missiles that Superman couldn't put a dent in after two pages of effort.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanHe wasnt getting smacked around like a kid in the batman superman issue 13. What are you looking at.
Okay ...Superman Confidential#8 - Pimp-slap pwned
Adv#495 - Superman and Infinity Man imprisoned by DS
Cosmic Odyssey - Angry charging Superman is knocked away
Action#630-something (during the Action Comics Weekly era, I posted scans in the respect thread) - Darkseid handles Superman easily with blasts
Hunter/Prey - Superman's arm is burned just being near Omega Beams whike Darkseid was below full power
Adv.#595 - Superman starts threatening Darkseid and gets BFRed by Omegas
Superman#95 - Darkseid BFRs Superman with Omegas again
OWAW first meeting - Superman puts his arm on Darkseid's shoulder, gets blasted away, and GL and Plastic Man freak out trying to cushion his fall so he won't be hurt
OWAW second meeting - Darkseid beats Superman into submission
OWAW third meeting - Brief unconcluded fight that's fairly even, although DS is ahead on points when it's interrupted
A/N - Superman beats Darkseid fair and square
Action#814 - Superman suckers DS and then throws his minions at him to close the Boom Tube for a BFR
S/B#13 - Superman sucker-punches Darkseid and charges him, gets backhanded down, and he's about to be Omegaed when WW risks her life to save his. The Omegas hitting Darkseid's eyes stuns him enough for Superman to take the battle near the sun, where he wins due to the powerup
S/B#24 - Darkseid punches Superman into the Wall, imprisoning him
Out of all their encounters, the only ones where Superman looked better are AN, Action#814, and S/B#13. And in S/B#13 Superman was getting smacked down like a kid until his ally interfered on his behalf.
This is aside from the direct comparison in H/P where weakened Omegas vaporize missiles that Superman couldn't put a dent in after two pages of effort.
In s/b #24 he cheapshotted superman and thats that.
Quanchi, I've already explained my position on both issues before. I don't want to go around in a circle repeating myself. We both know each other's positions so maybe we should just agree to disagree.
BTW, you never addressed the fact that in the same S/B story, Supergirl stated that she and Bizarro combined aren't enough to take on Darkseid.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanWell supergirl is no superman as proven. I mean ho wmany times has supergril defeated darkseid and made him tap out? Superman had to get used to fighting darkseid to and once he did dare i say Apokolips now. Darkseids most embarrassing defeat thus far.
Quanchi, I've already explained my position on both issues before. I don't want to go around in a circle repeating myself. We both know each other's positions so maybe we should just agree to disagree.BTW, you never addressed the fact that in the same S/B story, Supergirl stated that she and Bizarro combined aren't enough to take on Darkseid.
Supergirl is not quite as powerful as Superman, but she's clearly pretty close IMO. You think Superman, unamped, is more formidable than Supergirl and Bizarro combined?
And yes, Apokolips Now was a very embarrassing story for Darkseid all around. But it was also very out of character. Darkseid whining and giving up is one of the most out of character moments I've ever seen written in a comic. His most defining characteristic has always been his relentless determination, as stated numerous times including as recently as Walt's Orion series ("I have even failed Darkseid. My father would NEVER give up"😉.
AN is more of a case of extremely crappy writing than anything, IMO.
Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Supergirl is not quite as powerful as Superman, but she's clearly pretty close IMO. You think Superman, unamped, is more formidable than Supergirl and Bizarro combined?And yes, Apokolips Now was a very embarrassing story for Darkseid all around. But it was also very out of character. Darkseid whining and giving up is one of the most out of character moments I've ever seen written in a comic. His most defining characteristic has always been his relentless determination, as stated numerous times including as recently as Walt's Orion series ("I have even failed Darkseid. My father would NEVER give up"😉.
AN is more of a case of extremely crappy writing than anything, IMO.
Originally posted by Jimmy-ChanStill canon nonetheless.
Supergirl is not quite as powerful as Superman, but she's clearly pretty close IMO. You think Superman, unamped, is more formidable than Supergirl and Bizarro combined?And yes, Apokolips Now was a very embarrassing story for Darkseid all around. But it was also very out of character. Darkseid whining and giving up is one of the most out of character moments I've ever seen written in a comic. His most defining characteristic has always been his relentless determination, as stated numerous times including as recently as Walt's Orion series ("I have even failed Darkseid. My father would NEVER give up"😉.
AN is more of a case of extremely crappy writing than anything, IMO.
and with regards to your question all I know is that Superman didnt need help to beat ds's ass in apkolips now. Supergirl also lacks supermans experience.