It's more so the uncounterable aspect than it is the kill aspect. Anyone can kill you in one blow if you are caught unaware. Hell, a Punisher headshot is a one hit kill. It's moreso the ability's degree of "counter-ability" coupled with the effects that would render an ability as a bannable OHK or not (like Rogue's Power, for example).
Originally posted by illadelph12
It's more so the uncounterable aspect than it is the kill aspect. Anyone can kill you in one blow if you are caught unaware. Hell, a Punisher headshot is a one hit kill. It's moreso the ability's degree of "counter-ability" coupled with the effects that would render an ability as a bannable OHK or not (like Rogue's Power, for example).
er, what's the difference between rogue and scrambler? scrambler may not 'kill' but rendering one powerless at a touch is tantamount to the same thing . . .
shinobi can do the same thing -- he laid out sebastian with one phased attack. (and i still don't quite get how messing with someone's molecules involuntarily is NOT matter manip . . .) 😕
Originally posted by illadelph12
It's more so the uncounterable aspect than it is the kill aspect. Anyone can kill you in one blow if you are caught unaware. Hell, a Punisher headshot is a one hit kill. It's moreso the ability's degree of "counter-ability" coupled with the effects that would render an ability as a bannable OHK or not (like Rogue's Power, for example).
Originally posted by leonidas
er, what's the difference between rogue and scrambler? scrambler may not 'kill' but rendering one powerless at a touch is tantamount to the same thing . . .shinobi can do the same thing -- he laid out sebastian with one phased attack. (and i still don't quite get how messing with someone's molecules involuntarily is NOT matter manip . . .) 😕
Um Rogue starts out with powers. That is the difference. She can fly, and has superstrength. and invuln. The new rogue had other powers, not sure cuz I stopped reading, but she wasn't a noob. Plus She absorbs powers On TOP of taking powers. And Rogues power still isn't OHK. She has to hold on to you for a long time. Via miss marvel and that was only a coma. It's not like she can touch you and just knock you out. Not when your a meta. And you'd do well to leave defensless scrambler alone. Becuz I wanted someone else, who would do my team even better. 😄 besides, Scramblers powers only last 1:60 ratio. none of my characters can fly. So Mobility is all yours. None of them have long range. So start thinking outside of the box. Or why dont' we all just draft 6 spiderman and see who can come up with the best strat. 🙂.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um Rogue starts out with powers. That is the difference. She can fly, and has superstrength. and invuln. The new rogue had other powers, not sure cuz I stopped reading, but she wasn't a noob. Plus She absorbs powers On TOP of taking powers. And Rogues power still isn't OHK. She has to hold on to you for a long time. Via miss marvel and that was only a coma. It's not like she can touch you and just knock you out. Not when your a meta. And you'd do well to leave defensless scrambler alone. Becuz I wanted someone else, who would do my team even better. 😄 besides, Scramblers powers only last 1:60 ratio. none of my characters can fly. So Mobility is all yours. None of them have long range. So start thinking outside of the box. Or why dont' we all just draft 6 spiderman and see who can come up with the best strat. 🙂.
6 spidermen would be cool -- then it would come to debating.
and i'm not picking on your guys, nvr -- i'm trying to see why the distinction. both end fights with a touch. 😬
like i said, it appears you're safe regardless, i just don't really see the difference in what they are capable of doing.
but i'm done. guess we'll just have to struggle to see if we can find SOME way to counter those guys . . .
🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
6 spidermen would be cool -- then it would come to debating.and i'm not picking on your guys, nvr -- i'm trying to see why the distinction. both end fights with a touch. 😬
like i said, it appears you're safe regardless, i just don't really see the difference in what they are capable of doing.
but i'm done. guess we'll just have to struggle to see if we can find SOME way to counter those guys . . .
🙂
Leo, Please don't think that I'm lulled into a sense of security. I know you guys have about a 10 strats already just for that.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI would like to point to what Ill said degrees on countability.
Um Rogue starts out with powers. That is the difference. She can fly, and has superstrength. and invuln. The new rogue had other powers, not sure cuz I stopped reading, but she wasn't a noob. Plus She absorbs powers On TOP of taking powers. And Rogues power still isn't OHK. She has to hold on to you for a long time. Via miss marvel and that was only a coma. It's not like she can touch you and just knock you out. Not when your a meta. And you'd do well to leave defensless scrambler alone. Becuz I wanted someone else, who would do my team even better. 😄 besides, Scramblers powers only last 1:60 ratio. none of my characters can fly. So Mobility is all yours. None of them have long range. So start thinking outside of the box. Or why dont' we all just draft 6 spiderman and see who can come up with the best strat. 🙂.
Power Copying at least with what has been allowed in doesn't harm the people and it is counterable by the simple fact it isn't an instant when.
Scrambler's touch and Leech's power nullification although are not counterable and one is basically a one hit kill as it leaves the person without the ability to defend themselves and apparently there is no counter to it.
Samething Leech there is no acceptable counter to stop his powers from working on people. Explosions, swords, strength, speed all those things can be countered to a degree. How are you supposed to counter having your powers turned off?
Originally posted by Newjak
I would like to point to what Ill said degrees on countability.Power Copying at least with what has been allowed in doesn't harm the people and it is counterable by the simple fact it isn't an instant when.
Scrambler's touch and Leech's power nullification although are not counterable and one is basically a one hit kill as it leaves the person without the ability to defend themselves and apparently there is no counter to it.
Samething Leech there is no acceptable counter to stop his powers from working on people. Explosions, swords, strength, speed all those things can be countered to a degree. How are you supposed to counter having your powers turned off?
Emma frost did it while tied up. And didn't you know that power copiers nullify power leechers? They basically cancel each other out. geez do i have to provide my own teams demise cuz people dont' know stuff? F U C K.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlExcept she had her power taken away still. She only won because she beat up a little kid it still doesn't take from the idea that power nullification itself produces no means to actually stop it from happening.
Emma frost did it while tied up. And didn't you know that power copiers nullify power leechers? They basically cancel each other out. geez do i have to provide my own teams demise cuz people dont' know stuff? F U C K.
Plus Power copying was banned on being used against Amalgams so no it isn't a counter. Unless you would be willing to say Power Nullification can not work on amalgams either.
Like I said Power Copying at least gives the person a chance with the rules that have been set up for it. Power Nullification does not offer a similar benefit. There is counter, Scrambler with his touch basically acts as a OHK at this level. I don't see how it can be legal.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Emma frost did it while tied up. And didn't you know that power copiers nullify power leechers? They basically cancel each other out. geez do i have to provide my own teams demise cuz people dont' know stuff? F U C K.
hey, you can swear so long as you leave space between letters??
f # c k i n g cool. 😄
Originally posted by leonidas
er, what's the difference between rogue and scrambler? scrambler may not 'kill' but rendering one powerless at a touch is tantamount to the same thing . . .shinobi can do the same thing -- he laid out sebastian with one phased attack. (and i still don't quite get how messing with someone's molecules involuntarily is NOT matter manip . . .) 😕
Non-Lethal Disruption versus Lethal Lifeforce Drain and Ability Acquisition.
As for Shinobi, he can alter his own density and phase through matter, then solidify himself.
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Originally posted by Newjak
Except she had her power taken away still. She only won because she beat up a little kid it still doesn't take from the idea that power nullification itself produces no means to actually stop it from happening.Plus Power copying was banned on being used against Amalgams so no it isn't a counter. Unless you would be willing to say Power Nullification can not work on amalgams either.
Like I said Power Copying at least gives the person a chance with the rules that have been set up for it. Power Nullification does not offer a similar benefit. There is counter, Scrambler with his touch basically acts as a OHK at this level. I don't see how it can be legal.
Power copying was banned from working on the amalgam, but not the individual ability. I have no problem if the power nulling doesn't work on the amalgam, as long as it works on one of the components of the amalgams. which is what I was going to do anyway IF I even needed to use power nulling. I probably won't. Tee hee.
Originally posted by AkukiIn the Bio it said he is now able to control who he effects and Scrambler obviously can control who he effects by who he touches.
How well is Leech able to control his powers so he doesn't negate the powers of his allies. (for example if he was amalgamated with someone else would their powers still work?)