Originally posted by Nihilist
people say he didnt have time to fight juggs so he had to bfr him...i say bullshit because he had time go through the entire x men roster and fight a depowered cain when he could of grabbed xavier and jumped miles away from the situation to get his answer of xavier.
Thing is, he really couldn't just grab Xavier. It's not as if Hulk was going out of his way to fight the X-Men, but rather the X-Men were going out of there way to get in Hulk's way and fight him to stop him from getting Xavier. And they did just that.
WWH fights maybe four top tiers during the arc.
Against Blackbolt he wins, but Blackbolt didn't actually scream so he was still holding back.
Against Juggs he was losing until he tripped him up.
Against Zom/Strange he was getting his ass beaten until Strange decided to hold back because he was losing control.
And against Sentry he stalemated (it was Banner who KO'd Sentry, not Hulk).
Ironman and Thing are second tier at best. Is there any other top guys I missed? Overall I just wasn't impressed with Hulk during the story. And the final issue with the Sentry vs. WWH fight's artwork was horrid! My dog shits prettier than that.
Originally posted by NihilistWhat are you talking about? Didn't you even read what I said? He BFR'ed like half a dozen X-Men! So since he BFR'ed Monet, that means he couldn't take her in a fight? Or since he BFR'ed Rockslide's arms and legs he couldn't take him in a fight? Mercury? X-23? Please tell me people don't actually believe that using BFR to get to your primary target is an indication that he would lose?!
people say he didnt have time to fight juggs so he had to bfr him...i say bullshit because he had time go through the entire x men roster and fight a depowered cain when he could of grabbed xavier and jumped miles away from the situation to get his answer of xavier.
Originally posted by MetalmanxNo. The more important question is that what exactly would Juggernaut do to defeat WWH "in a long drawn out battle without BFR?" They are literally the same. Except, we've seen that WWH's durability is less than classic Juggs. But that Hulk's strength can reach limits surpassing classic Juggernaut's. So I'm REALLY curious and completely serious. What exactly do these two guys do to each other that makes it so definitive that one beats the other?
...What have you done...? ❌You do realize, however, that you're arguing that Hulk does not have limitless endurance/stamina nor the regenerative properties necessary to heal fast enough, as you state that he is not fresh when he starts to battle Juggernaut. You said it, not me.
Also, I'm REALLY curious, and completely serious. In your opinion, just what [B]would
Hulk do to defeat Juggernaut "in a long drawn out battle without BFR"? I am ridiculously curious. [/B]
Originally posted by psycho gundam
they must have missed the part where hulk slaps juggy in the back...thats 3 for 3.
It sure was, and to top it off Juggernaut didn't put King Hulk down for the count, in actuality Cain never even slowed him down to begin with. According to KMC rules King Hulk won the fight via bfr.
Featwise both the Hulk and Juggernaut have beaten Colossus, but Cain never beat Peter the way or as badly as King Hulk did. Never in the history of Marvel was it even hinted on that Colossus' arms could be bent the way that King Hulk bent, and deformed them.
The Bolt out of the Blue (Secret Wars) wasn't able to destroy Peters body which gives a rough estimate as to how durable Colossus really is, and from what I understand Colossus has gotten stronger since then as he was just a teenager in the Secret Wars, he is now a full grown man.
Originally posted by Endrict NuulI can't remember the last time anyone bent Colossus' arms with only their hands. I can't remember the last time anybody one-shotted She-Hulk, Ares or Thing. I can't remember anybody nearly murdering Hercules in three punches. I can't remember anybody actually burning out the Sentry. I can't remember the last time anybody took a second Black Bolt scream that loosened a piece of the Moon that was the size of Rhode Island. Seriously. Do you honestly believe that he wasn't all that powerful?
In the storyline Hulk does what he normaly does and wasnt all that powerful. But this time hes a lot more cunning etc...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I can't remember the last time anyone bent Colossus' arms with only their hands. I can't remember the last time anybody one-shotted She-Hulk, Ares or Thing. I can't remember anybody nearly murdering Hercules in three punches. I can't remember anybody actually burning out the Sentry. I can't remember the last time anybody took a second Black Bolt scream that loosened a piece of the Moon that was the size of Rhode Island. Seriously. Do you honestly believe that he wasn't all that powerful?
Not as powerful as some people make him to be.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I can't remember the last time anyone bent Colossus' arms with only their hands. I can't remember the last time anybody one-shotted She-Hulk, Ares or Thing. I can't remember anybody nearly murdering Hercules in three punches. I can't remember anybody actually burning out the Sentry. I can't remember the last time anybody took a second Black Bolt scream that loosened a piece of the Moon that was the size of Rhode Island. Seriously. Do you honestly believe that he wasn't all that powerful?
He was a beast, Andrea Devito was the key factor in the reason why WWHulk wasn't as good as it could have been. John Romita is a good artist but his character depictions left much to be desired, as he was obviously much more hindered and limited than Devito when depicting action sequences. Romita draws characters in battle too soft, as they bruise far too easily in his stories... since when does the Hulk sport bruises? Logic would also dictate that at the end of the WWHulk saga that bruce would have been much more powerful than he was when he embarassed all of those mutants... how many X teams did he run through? I can't take away the nice impacts that Cain scored on the Hulk, but they really did nothing to faze him or slow him down... he was down for an instant and back on his feat the next, crushing Cains helmet.
What I am getting at is that I think King Hulk at his most powerful had the power to defeat the Juggernaut. This is of course my opinion.
Originally posted by EnyalusYou're kidding me right? He stepped on his head and got an immediate counter-uppercut that dented his helmet for his troubles. If you want to interpret the entire fight based on a single panel of Juggs stepping on his head and ignore that WWH actually got back up and countered him in the very next panel and then they were stalemating each other in a mercy contest, that's your cup of tea. I mean is this what you did? Did you take a black marker and squiggle out every single subsequent panel so you could only focus on one single panel and nothign the comes before it:
We all saw how he owned her though. She was on her hands and knees before he kicked her to New Jersey. Juggs was actually winning his rematch with WWH, stomping his head into the pavement, etc.
I guess based on this single panel, Arkillo is actually winning against Kilowog in Sinestro Corps War as long as you ignore the very next panel where Kilowog kicks him and gets back up and squiggle it all out with black marker:
Have I been reading comics wrong all this time? Should I be blocking out the parts I don't personally like? I beg forgiveness. 😂
Originally posted by Endrict NuulPeople like who? WWH had feats that easily put him on classic Juggernaut's level. Even Darwin couldn't evolve enough to take him on. And what everybody keeps forgetting is that they actually stalemated each other! Yeesh.
Not as powerful as some people make him to be.
You actually did scribble it out? LOL!
I didn't mean to make it sound like "Juggs stepped on his head and the end." But as you can see, Hulk hits him back, and Juggs - undaunted - headbutts him right back. Juggs had the upper hand during the rematch; all until the BFR tripping incident.
EDIT: BTW, that's an awesome way to read comics. That way, your favorite characters never lose. Ah, I wish I'd have thought of that for Rulk vs. Thor. 🙂
^ Look. I'm not saying you guys are positively and absolutely wrong. You can have your own opinions. But the reasons for it that have been proferred so far make absolutely no sense. 3 hits to 2? A single panel and ignoring the very next? BFR when he was BFR'ing half the damn X-teams? So unless there are some reasons for your opinions, I could just as easily say that WWH had the upperhand he would win an all out fight and be just as right. As far as I see it, neither had the upperhand and it was a stalemate.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Look. I'm not saying you guys are positively and absolutely wrong. You can have your own opinions. But the reasons for it that have been proferred so far make absolutely no sense. 3 hits to 2? A single panel and ignoring the very next? BFR when he was BFR'ing half the damn X-teams? So unless there are some reasons for your opinions, I could just as easily say that WWH had the upperhand he would win an all out fight and be just as right. As far as I see it, neither had the upperhand and it was a stalemate.
When you bumped this, you said you saw it as a stalemate. I see it as Juggs having a slight upper hand...but I do suppose Hulk could have taken away that advantage if he had continued fighting. However, Juggs is the one with unlimited stamina. If you're arguing for a current stalemate, then eventually Juggs is the one who will win simply due to time restraints.
It's still an eventual win for Juggs, whether the fight takes 20 minutes or 20 hours.
Originally posted by EnyalusWhat? After Juggs headbutts him Hulk throws another punch in the very next panel which happens to be on the very next page before they go into the mercy standoff:
You actually did scribble it out? LOL!I didn't mean to make it sound like "Juggs stepped on his head and the end." But as you can see, Hulk hits him back, and Juggs - undaunted - headbutts him right back. Juggs had the upper hand during the rematch; all until the BFR tripping incident.
EDIT: BTW, that's an awesome way to read comics. That way, your favorite characters never lose. Ah, I wish I'd have thought of that for Rulk vs. Thor. 🙂
Apparently, 3 to 2 hits is your idea of an upperhand as long as you ignore that they were stalemating each other in the mercy standoff. Guess I need to break out the black magic marker again.
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